1. Jeremy's Avatar
    more and more leaks support the probably form factor. Never been so disappointed and unexcited for a launch!
    I think it looks great. Thinner, bigger screen, super slick looking. Not sure what else you want?
    07-29-2012 08:13 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Those were tear dropped images the verge were throwing around. That was never going to happen. I said that when those first appeared. And never were they actual real images rather renderings. Like I said, I'm leaning towards what you saw today is the new phone.
    One thing is for certain, we will know what it'll look like soon enough.


    Just Me, D
    (iPhone 4S)
    07-29-2012 08:14 PM
  3. Jeremy's Avatar
    One thing is for certain, we will know what it'll look like soon enough.


    Just Me, D
    (iPhone 4S)
    Or... you already know.
    07-29-2012 08:15 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Or... you already know.
    Jeremy, I'm starting to get the feeling that you're confirming without actually confirming...lol.


    Just Me, D
    (iPhone 4S)
    07-29-2012 08:18 PM
  5. Jeremy's Avatar
    Jeremy, I'm starting to get the feeling that you're confirming without actually confirming...lol.


    Just Me, D
    (iPhone 4S)
    Just a feeling I have.
    07-29-2012 08:19 PM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Just a feeling I have.
    wink-wink, right?


    Just Me, D
    (iPhone 4S)
    07-29-2012 08:20 PM
  7. sherlock's Avatar
    I think it looks great. Thinner, bigger screen, super slick looking. Not sure what else you want?
    I want it to fit in your hand like the 3g and 3gs did.

    Yep, that's what I want by golly!
    07-29-2012 08:21 PM
  8. csal80's Avatar
    Remember all the "same leaked" images of the alleged iPhone 4S? They were nothing like what the 4S turned out to be, at least not the ones I saw.


    Just Me, D
    (iPhone 4S)
    I don't remember, which form factor are you talking about? I don't recall so many of the same leaks for the 4s. I know this because I actively follow the blogs and I was surprised that the 4s was same as the 4.
    07-29-2012 08:22 PM
  9. Jeremy's Avatar
    I want it to fit in your hand like the 3g and 3gs did.

    Yep, that's what I want by golly!
    I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how well the new phone feels in the hand. Even with the size increase of the screen.
    07-29-2012 08:26 PM
  10. csal80's Avatar
    I think it looks great. Thinner, bigger screen, super slick looking. Not sure what else you want?
    All I want is something that doesn't look so much like what has been on the market for 2 years ... a lot of people are bored by it. All they would be doing is just keeping up with the market by elongating the screen and making it slimmer, not leading the market with a new design. A year ago people were making the criticism that the 4s needed to be a new form factor ... and now an entire year later and they are merely going to elongate the screen? Not enough, sorry. I will still buy, but disappointed because I feel they are not listening to people.
    07-29-2012 08:27 PM
  11. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I don't remember, which form factor are you talking about? I don't recall so many of the same leaks for the 4s. I know this because I actively follow the blogs and I was surprised that the 4s was same as the 4.
    They were the ones Jeremy referenced a few posts up.

    http://forums.imore.com/showpost.php?p=1895977


    Just Me, D
    (iPhone 4S)
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    07-29-2012 08:29 PM
  12. Jeremy's Avatar
    All I want is something that doesn't look so much like what has been on the market for 2 years ... a lot of people are bored by it. All they would be doing is just keeping up with the market by elongating the screen and making it slimmer, not leading the market with a new design. A year ago people were making the criticism that the 4s needed to be a new form factor ... and now an entire year later and they are merely going to elongate the screen? Not enough, sorry. I will still buy, but disappointed because I feel they are not listening to people.
    There is more than making the screen larger. It's slimmer. Curves are slightly different. Fact is it will be the slickest phone out there in terms of hardware and design. Of course that's just my opinion but and I understand other's may not see it that way.
    07-29-2012 08:30 PM
  13. csal80's Avatar
    There is more than making the screen larger. It's slimmer. Curves are slightly different. Fact is it will be the slickest phone out there in terms of hardware and design. Of course that's just my opinion but and I understand other's may not see it that way.
    Yeh, it will be slick, just sort of boring ... especially since all these leaks have damaged any sort of hype it could have brought. There is zero anticipation for the community who actively follow this stuff. I personally love the size of the 4 and 4s. I think they should have just stretched the screen farther up and down to make it bigger.
    07-29-2012 08:34 PM
  14. nzrocketman's Avatar
    Would it be down to that most people use cases for your phone so is there any point of redesigning something that isn't really going to be seen
    07-29-2012 08:37 PM
  15. GPAbsinthe's Avatar
    I'm torn over that one. These leaks raise some doubts in my mind, but at the same time they ring the bell on so many levels.

    On one side...

    1. Lady StarGazer had a point : money. I think these leaks are in great part a snowball effect caused by a first leak, or series of leaks - may those have been legit or not. Having the "latest" news and rumors and leaks on a website's front page pretty much guarantees a lot of visitors. Those who were first to display and discuss them got huge, huge attention and frequentation. Millions of people started chewing on it like mad, researching further and further infos and confirmations. Now, as a source (any media) you have two options : going along with the leaks, or defuse them / propose alternates. Or both in many cases, but with a major focus on one; the other is just something to fill up the voids and raise discussions - and hopefully get more frequentation. The thing is, this leak rings a true note, it distinguishes itself from the other alternatives proposed, it resists many counter-arguments, it relies on pictures and videos, not digital renderings and pure speculations. Millions of people are already swallowed whole in the new frenzy, and they are hungry for the next leaks, the freshest source of information. Would you defuse it, you may lose attention and credibility, but adding on it is a pretty safe line. This is an opportunity to make money, to get visibility, and some people are stepping on it : based on the first leak (or series of leaks), they start "leaking" other parts and news that just fit with it, and the more it goes on, the less space is left for any other alternative, the more "reliable" and unified the leaks get. And this is huge, we're not talking weeks but days, even hours, to build up. Now, even if the first leak WAS true, it doesn't mean nothing anymore. It's already a good couple of months old, Apple has had time to change its strategy, to review its design, and as they are aware of the leak, perhaps to see to it that it doesn't happen anymore. Or to use it as a shield. Not saying they went radically different, perhaps just that they finally focused on another prototype.

    2. We have to admit it, the leaks fit Apple's usual predicament. But... they are all "black". Can you imagine that prototype in white? The black isn't even black : the metal is a dull, carbon grey. I can't imagine it spray-painted white and looking good. The white 3GS - 4 - 4S were gorgeous because plastic, and then glass, gave it a glossy, classy look. That could not be with this new prototype. Another alternative is... to only have the back and front bezels white. And that would really, really be ugly. So it leaves us with the possibility of replacing the white version by a silver and white, so you get a dark, carbon grey and black version, and a light, silver and white version as a choice. Possible... but at the same time, I can't believe it. In fact, it seems to me that the metal casing would really only be beautiful in colors : electric orange, red or blue could look nice with that raw, unpolished finish. That leaked carbon prototype is not ugly, but it definitely lacks the usual unity and smoothness of Apple products. And I don't expect colors...

    On another side...

    3. It stays a "classical" form for iPhone, really fitting with Apple's philosophy.

    4. Can you tell me WHAT exactly is SO much more advanced and original in other manufacturer's designs? Colors, up to a point... Plastic backplate and roundness are not really unique as snowflakes, are they? The actual GSIII is pretty much a thinner, bigger version of an iPhone 3GS, only with more screen and less bezel. And it's offered blue and white - oh I wonder where they got that idea, SOOOO original! The Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note just look about the same as the GSIII. The SII was more square, does it really stand out as original? The GSIII backplate is the most common, unremarkable thing in this world. HTC, Motorola, they all look the same to me. I don't know about you, but when I look at a carrier's counter from a distance, only the iPhones do really stand out...

    5. In spite of my doubts concerning precisely the actual design given by all the leaks, I do not think the next iPhone will be radically different from it. Which doesn't make me less excited about it.
    07-30-2012 01:05 AM
  16. csal80's Avatar
    I'm torn over that one. These leaks raise some doubts in my mind, but at the same time they ring the bell on so many levels.

    On one side...

    1. Lady StarGazer had a point : money. I think these leaks are in great part a snowball effect caused by a first leak, or series of leaks - may those have been legit or not. Having the "latest" news and rumors and leaks on a website's front page pretty much guarantees a lot of visitors. Those who were first to display and discuss them got huge, huge attention and frequentation. Millions of people started chewing on it like mad, researching further and further infos and confirmations. Now, as a source (any media) you have two options : going along with the leaks, or defuse them / propose alternates. Or both in many cases, but with a major focus on one; the other is just something to fill up the voids and raise discussions - and hopefully get more frequentation. The thing is, this leak rings a true note, it distinguishes itself from the other alternatives proposed, it resists many counter-arguments, it relies on pictures and videos, not digital renderings and pure speculations. Millions of people are already swallowed whole in the new frenzy, and they are hungry for the next leaks, the freshest source of information. Would you defuse it, you may lose attention and credibility, but adding on it is a pretty safe line. This is an opportunity to make money, to get visibility, and some people are stepping on it : based on the first leak (or series of leaks), they start "leaking" other parts and news that just fit with it, and the more it goes on, the less space is left for any other alternative, the more "reliable" and unified the leaks get. And this is huge, we're not talking weeks but days, even hours, to build up. Now, even if the first leak WAS true, it doesn't mean nothing anymore. It's already a good couple of months old, Apple has had time to change its strategy, to review its design, and as they are aware of the leak, perhaps to see to it that it doesn't happen anymore. Or to use it as a shield. Not saying they went radically different, perhaps just that they finally focused on another prototype.

    2. We have to admit it, the leaks fit Apple's usual predicament. But... they are all "black". Can you imagine that prototype in white? The black isn't even black : the metal is a dull, carbon grey. I can't imagine it spray-painted white and looking good. The white 3GS - 4 - 4S were gorgeous because plastic, and then glass, gave it a glossy, classy look. That could not be with this new prototype. Another alternative is... to only have the back and front bezels white. And that would really, really be ugly. So it leaves us with the possibility of replacing the white version by a silver and white, so you get a dark, carbon grey and black version, and a light, silver and white version as a choice. Possible... but at the same time, I can't believe it. In fact, it seems to me that the metal casing would really only be beautiful in colors : electric orange, red or blue could look nice with that raw, unpolished finish. That leaked carbon prototype is not ugly, but it definitely lacks the usual unity and smoothness of Apple products. And I don't expect colors...

    On another side...

    3. It stays a "classical" form for iPhone, really fitting with Apple's philosophy.

    4. Can you tell me WHAT exactly is SO much more advanced and original in other manufacturer's designs? Colors, up to a point... Plastic backplate and roundness are not really unique as snowflakes, are they? The actual GSIII is pretty much a thinner, bigger version of an iPhone 3GS, only with more screen and less bezel. And it's offered blue and white - oh I wonder where they got that idea, SOOOO original! The Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note just look about the same as the GSIII. The SII was more square, does it really stand out as original? The GSIII backplate is the most common, unremarkable thing in this world. HTC, Motorola, they all look the same to me. I don't know about you, but when I look at a carrier's counter from a distance, only the iPhones do really stand out...

    5. In spite of my doubts concerning precisely the actual design given by all the leaks, I do not think the next iPhone will be radically different from it. Which doesn't make me less excited about it.
    GPA, good synopsis, but a couple responses to your points:

    1. I hear what your saying but there legitimately has not been ONE leak that suggests any other design over the past 3 or 4 months than the one you have been seeing ... at least I have not seen one and I blog avidly.
    2. There have been some really nice renderings of the white version as well as some really polished 'near finished versions' of both for the design leak in question. Poke around a bit and you will find them.
    4. Now it is really not so much about being different, it is about changing things up. Despite that, if they went with a ipad like version of the iphone, I don't see anyone with a phone quite like that. It would be unique and different from what they had in the market for the past 2 years (which is an eternity in this industry)!
    5. I can bet my house (I don't own a house) that this is the final product from Apple.
    07-30-2012 05:54 AM
  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The leaks mean whatever you want them to mean...after watching the almost humorous amount (and variety) of "leaks" last year before the release of the 4S, i don't hold my breath on anything of this nature.

    Until i watch Apple hold a keynote showing the new hardware, everything is just speculation (regardless of credibility of source). People who invested in the hype last year should understand just how good some of these people are at creating hype out of essentially nothing but BS and rumors.
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    07-30-2012 08:02 AM
  18. csal80's Avatar
    The leaks mean whatever you want them to mean...after watching the almost humorous amount (and variety) of "leaks" last year before the release of the 4S, i don't hold my breath on anything of this nature.

    Until i watch Apple hold a keynote showing the new hardware, everything is just speculation (regardless of credibility of source). People who invested in the hype last year should understand just how good some of these people are at creating hype out of essentially nothing but BS and rumors.
    you said one key word ... "variety".
    07-30-2012 07:51 PM
  19. kch50428's Avatar
    07-30-2012 07:52 PM
  20. Vanti's Avatar
    i was going to make a proper comment and then saw the length of that article and frowned
    07-30-2012 08:57 PM
  21. Chop's Avatar
    The leaks mean whatever you want them to mean...after watching the almost humorous amount (and variety) of "leaks" last year before the release of the 4S, i don't hold my breath on anything of this nature.

    Until i watch Apple hold a keynote showing the new hardware, everything is just speculation (regardless of credibility of source). People who invested in the hype last year should understand just how good some of these people are at creating hype out of essentially nothing but BS and rumors.
    This.

    /thread
    07-30-2012 09:30 PM
  22. GPAbsinthe's Avatar
    GPA, good synopsis, but a couple responses to your points:

    1. I hear what your saying but there legitimately has not been ONE leak that suggests any other design over the past 3 or 4 months than the one you have been seeing ... at least I have not seen one and I blog avidly.
    2. There have been some really nice renderings of the white version as well as some really polished 'near finished versions' of both for the design leak in question. Poke around a bit and you will find them.
    4. Now it is really not so much about being different, it is about changing things up. Despite that, if they went with a ipad like version of the iphone, I don't see anyone with a phone quite like that. It would be unique and different from what they had in the market for the past 2 years (which is an eternity in this industry)!
    5. I can bet my house (I don't own a house) that this is the final product from Apple.
    1. That's what my very long first point was trying to image... Not necessarily the absolute reality, but this year it looks to me like there's no place for other leaks. What I was saying is, even if you'd get another different leak that seemed reliable, it would just be swallowed whole anyway, the first leak being so close to what we can expect from Apple. As a reliable source, you might chose to discard it, or to

    2. You said it... "renderings" and "near finished version", which I saw by the way. I stand up to my point on this one : where plastic and glass allowed a unified look in past designs, newest leaks aren't of the same aesthetic smoothness we're used to get in pretty much any Apple device. It's funny though that just to prove me wrong, the leaks have suddenly gotten "really nice" and "very polished" in your opinion... I thought you were of the "it's garbage and I'm not impressed" side.

    3. Oh! Where is 3. ?

    4. "Now it is really not so much about being different, it is about changing things up." Uh, okay... My point was not entirely about being different, and I still don't see how other smartphones really "changed things up". Some of them tried and are very ugly, though.

    5. I do have a house, and I would not bet it against them leaks... but neither would I bet it ON them! It's not about lacking information, it's about needing a place to sleep at night.

    I'm just saying that. I'm not "leak specialist"... Edit : no
    07-31-2012 06:01 AM
  23. csal80's Avatar
    Well, looks like I am going to be right on my original post ... I know you never really know until it is final, but have not seen one shred of evidence against the design that has been consistently floated and displayed in many different places over the past 4 months. Guess Apple really "doubled down on secrecy" this time! In my opinion, Apple should be embarrassed at just how much they let leak on this one, which I don't believe was intentional. How can they ever expect people to respect their secracy efforts again? Unreal!
    09-05-2012 08:54 AM
  24. Jeremy's Avatar
    Well, looks like I am going to be right on my original post ... I know you never really know until it is final, but have not seen one shred of evidence against the design that has been consistently floated and displayed in many different places over the past 4 months. Guess Apple really "doubled down on secrecy" this time! In my opinion, Apple should be embarrassed at just how much they let leak on this one, which I don't believe was intentional. How can they ever expect people to respect their secracy efforts again? Unreal!
    Do you blame Apple for the iPhone 4 leak on Gimodo as well? You really can't blame them as all of the images you've seen are more than likely from factory leaks. And come on, one of the top if not the top phones in the world is going to get leaked one way or another. Just part of the game at this point.
    09-05-2012 12:19 PM
  25. csal80's Avatar
    Do you blame Apple for the iPhone 4 leak on Gimodo as well? You really can't blame them as all of the images you've seen are more than likely from factory leaks. And come on, one of the top if not the top phones in the world is going to get leaked one way or another. Just part of the game at this point.
    I hear your argument, I just don't like how apple portrays themselves to be all about secrecy, and we basically know every last minute detail of the phone before it's official announcement .. so much so that they have built aftermarket shells for the iphone 4 and 4s's resembling the next generation phone. It is almost humorous. I hear you on design leaks, but every last detail? Leaves nothing open to excitement and wonder. I truly believe apple dropped the ball on keep us at least somewhat guessing.
    09-05-2012 01:08 PM
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