1. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Just don't come in here whining because you can't get some software from the iOS App Store because the developer has chosen (for whatever reason) to block the use of their software on a jailbroken device and start spewing comments like the half of the iOS world is jailbroken and doing so loses the developers tons of cash. I seriously believe that the developers who block JBers from using their apps are (1) within their rights to do so and (2) are aware that their resulting customer base is smaller than it could be.
    And here, I agree with you.

    I'd be interested in learning how.
    Just look at Angry Birds, they are dominating. Just because people download your app for free does not mean that they will not buy it. People are ready and willing to buy your app even if they've already pirated it.

    Angry Birds CEO, I completely agree with him.

    Rovio CEO Mikael Hed says that treating Angry Birds pirates as "fans" might be good for business.

    Angry Birds have a very bright future, is very successful right now, as they should be. If I had an app, I would not mind people pirating it, I would hope they did. It's the best form of advertising. This forum tells the tale, the number one topic Absinthe has 11752 views. To lock out your app to the public tells me that the developer does not understand Jailbreaking.

    At least Skype was smart enough to continue to allow people to use the app. Where I can then spend money within it, whereas if they had simply locked it out, that's money lost. Skype is free. I have never pirated it. That's 100% revenue for not having that app locked. Developers locking their own apps are losing money and popularity quick.

    P.S. I have pirated Angry Birds, deleted the pirated version and bought all versions of Angry Birds, and I also buy their merchandise, such as candy.
    Last edited by motoleo; 05-30-2012 at 03:33 PM.
    05-30-2012 03:31 PM
  2. Fausty82's Avatar
    Just look at Angry Birds, they are dominating. Just because people download your app for free does not mean that they will not buy it. People are ready and willing to buy your app even if they've already pirated it.

    Angry Birds CEO, I completely agree with him.

    Rovio CEO Mikael Hed says that treating Angry Birds pirates as "fans" might be good for business.

    Angry Birds have a very bright future, is very successful right now, as they should be. If I had an app, I would not mind people pirating it, I would hope they did. It's the best form of advertising. This forum tells the tale, the number one topic Absinthe has 11752 views. To lock out your app to the public tells me that the developer does not understand Jailbreaking.

    At lease Skype was smart enough to continue to allow people to use the app. Where I can then spend money on the app, whereas if they had simply locked it out, that's money lost.

    Skype is free. I have never pirated it. That's 100% revenue. Developers locking their own apps are losing money and popularity quick.

    P.S. I have pirated Angry Birds, deleted the pirated version and bought all versions of Angry Birds, and I also buy their merchandise, such as candy.
    Angry BIrds (and many games) have multiple versions - for OSX, iPhone/iPod and iPad... both free (ad supported) and paid. But just because one developer makes a statement like he did doesn't make it right for every developer - nor does is necessarily make it a wise business model.

    But again, I have to go back to whether or not there's a TECHNICAL issue involved. If I develop an app, and based on the changes introduced into the iOS devices' firmware and/or substrate code by the jailbreak process my software no longer functions properly, you can be very sure that I'd find a way to block it. If that causes my software to run poorly or to constantly crash, it could very easily be seen as a deficiency in MY product, when in fact, the problem was cause by the changes to the iOS behavior by introducing the jailbreak. It's what a developer does to protect his/her brand.
    05-30-2012 03:32 PM
  3. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    A&E Television Network however, (not the History Channel) did not lock it to protect their brand. They locked it out of spite for Jailbroken customers. DCMA.

    Anyone who has an iPhone has the opportunity to pirate. The vast majority of people do not pirate, and do you know what that vast majority includes? Jailbroken and non Jailbroken customers.

    That's right, the base of users who do not pirate consists of Jailbroken and non Jailbroken customers.

    So, they should be fair and just take the entire app off of the app store, because if you have an iPhone, you have the opportunity to pirate, just as if you are Jailbroken, you have the opportunity to pirate.

    That's discrimination against Jailbroken iPhone users.
    05-30-2012 06:18 PM
  4. Garz's Avatar
    These days, you have to have a jailbroken iPhone if you truly want to take advantage of the device. The kinds of developers that are making these unusable apps are not real developers.

    If I had an app, I wouldn't mind it becoming pirated, that's one of the best ways to become popular.

    The war is on, it's really on.
    If I had a app, I would not want my app pirated.... at all.
    05-30-2012 06:27 PM
  5. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    If I had a app, I would not want my app pirated.... at all.
    And some people don't. But like you say if it's only 2.8 million out of 285 million iPhones that are Jailbroken, it's not just those numbers, it's also the numbers of the people most likely to buy your apps. Just because you have a normal iPhone doesn't make it any more likely that your app will be bought.

    But word of mouth does.

    By the way, I need to find a fix to stop reloading webpages in Safari on my Jailbroken iPhone. I'm trying to multitask here!
    05-30-2012 10:32 PM
  6. 3cit's Avatar
    Let's not get carried away with "locked out"... I mean honestly, how many applications block functionality because a device is jail broken, Skype gives you a warning message, but still works... Time Warner, but now we get into percentiles of percentiles (percent of people who have one warner and ALSO have a jail broken device) and what else exactly???
    There's a lot more shady tactics going in from developers then worrying about which developer is going to block his app from being run on a jail broken device... It's not like apple isnt allowing you to access the app store....
    05-31-2012 03:12 AM
  7. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    But we're missing one utterly important question here. Since everyone wants to come in here talking about piracy...

    What will happen to JB customers who have purchased apps from app store? Nobody even thought about this, when this should have been the main focus of the conversation.

    What you all fail to see is that Jailbroken customers are exactly that, customers. They are no different from any other iPhone user. Even if the app is purchase for $0.00, it's still a purchase, and counts as a download. But in many cases, many many cases, Jailbroken customers pay for $0.99 and $2.99 apps. All the time, in fact.

    So what happens when we get this error message? Do we get our money back? We should, we should be getting every penny of our money back.

    I would demand it.

    There's other ways to deter from people pirating your app. I understand that people want to stop piracy, but locking your app to customers from the app store is, as stated, stupid.
    05-31-2012 07:37 AM
  8. ghostface147's Avatar
    You choose to jailbreak your phone, too bad. Deal with the consequences. While not illegal, it voids your warranty, so why should an app work? As stated before, I know a good number of people on here don't JB to pirate, but as a developer you have to assume people do. And guess what? People do pirate. So you have to make a blanket policy.

    If you purchased a program and then jailbreak and an app stopped working, too bad. That's the consequence. No refunds. You chose the JB option, now deal with the after effects.
    05-31-2012 08:07 AM
  9. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    But we're missing one utterly important question here. Since everyone wants to come in here talking about piracy...

    What will happen to JB customers who have purchased apps from app store? Nobody even thought about this, when this should have been the main focus of the conversation.

    What you all fail to see is that Jailbroken customers are exactly that, customers. They are no different from any other iPhone user. Even if the app is purchase for $0.00, it's still a purchase, and counts as a download. But in many cases, many many cases, Jailbroken customers pay for $0.99 and $2.99 apps. All the time, in fact.

    So what happens when we get this error message? Do we get our money back? We should, we should be getting every penny of our money back.

    I would demand it.

    There's other ways to deter from people pirating your app. I understand that people want to stop piracy, but locking your app to customers from the app store is, as stated, stupid.
    Look at this way: purchasing JB apps is like purchasing off the black market, so to speak. The purchase comes with a risk. I'm not saying the developers are crooks or the apps are no good or anything like that. I was just using this as an analogy. Apple is very protective of the products they sell and they have no problem booting an app out of the App store for violating their rules and I can only assume that some developers will not want to risk that especially if it is their sole source of income. Know what I mean?


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    05-31-2012 08:19 AM
  10. kch50428's Avatar
    Look at this way: purchasing JB apps is like purchasing off the black market, so to speak. The purchase comes with a risk. I'm not saying the developers are crooks or the apps are no good or anything like that. I was just using this as an analogy. Apple is very protective of the products they sell and they have no problem booting an app out of the App store for violating their rules and I can only assume that some developers will not want to risk that especially if it is their sole source of income. Know what I mean?
    Buying on the "black market' should never preclude a consumer from use of the "official" store - that's the whole point here.
    05-31-2012 08:37 AM
  11. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Apple is very protective of the products they sell and they have no problem booting an app out of the App store for violating their rules and I can only assume that some developers will not want to risk that especially if it is their sole source of income. Know what I mean?
    No. How are they going to have income when we're all going to be getting refunds?

    Yes, many people do choose to jailbreak, and I'm perfectly happy with the results.

    A developer that assumes that Jailbroken customers are pirates also assumes normal iPhone customers are also pirates by the same logic. Apple doesn't do it. Because Apple knows that Apple users often have more than one device, that doesn't mean they're all jailbroken, you're aggravating your own customers.

    It's like only allowing your app to work with one carrier. Apple knows that seamless connectivity across all of your devices is conducive to their success. Jailbroken or not. It's just fragmentation of the user base and it's a disservice to customers, the developers themselves and Apple.
    05-31-2012 08:55 AM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Buying on the "black market' should never preclude a consumer from use of the "official" store - that's the whole point here.
    I get that and I agree with you, however, the fact still remains that JBing violates your warranty and developers can configure their apps to not function on a JB device. Whether they should or shouldn't is irrelevant. They can and some do. It's not illegal or unethical. Now from a personal standpoint, once you've purchased your device, you can do whatever the heck you want with it as long as it does not harm the network it is connected to or infringe on a patent of some sort.


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    05-31-2012 08:57 AM
  13. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    For every drawback you've given for jailbreaking devices, you seem to have forgotten that an iPhone is an iPhone. All you have to do is press the reset button.

    It's just people trying to put jailbreaking in a bad light that bothers me, and they're going out of there way to do it.
    05-31-2012 09:06 AM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    No. How are they going to have income when we're all going to be getting refunds?
    You are assuming that the number of the people who are purchasing the apps are greater with those who jailbreak.

    Yes, many people do choose to jailbreak, and I'm perfectly happy with the results.
    I have no problem whatsoever with people who choose to JB their devices.

    A developer that assumes that Jailbroken customers are pirates also assumes normal iPhone customers are also pirates by the same logic.
    I never said that. Besides, I refuse to believe that all developers assume that their customers are all pirates. If I were a developer, I wouldn't care who purchased my apps.
    Apple doesn't do it. Because Apple knows that Apple users often have more than one device, that doesn't mean they're all jailbroken, you're aggravating your own customers.
    The people at Apple are fully aware of the JB community and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't take a few tips from them to improve on their customers' user experience.

    It's like only allowing your app to work with one carrier. Apple knows that seamless connectivity across all of your devices is conducive to their success. Jailbroken or not. It's just fragmentation of the user base and it's a disservice to customers, the developers themselves and Apple.
    True, however, with the purchase of software comes a user agreement. You agree to the terms of that agreement when you begin using the software. If in that agreement it states that you cannot use the particular software with a jailbroken device, so be it. The number of users who do not JB still outnumber those who do.



    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 05-31-2012 at 09:17 AM.
    05-31-2012 09:10 AM
  15. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    For every drawback you've given for jailbreaking devices, you seem to have forgotten that an iPhone is an iPhone. All you have to do is press the reset button.

    It's just people trying to put jailbreaking in a bad light that bothers me, and they're going out of there way to do it.
    NO NO NO! I would never do that. I will say again that I have no problem whatsoever with people jailbreaking their devices. It is their prerogative. Period! I was merely arguing the point why it is okay for a developer to choose to not allow his or her developed app to work on a jailbroken device. At least that is what I attempted to do. At no time did I attack or demean anyone for jailbreaking their device. Heck, if I wasn't so customized out from my time with Android, my iPhone and iPad might be jailbroken already.


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 05-31-2012 at 09:18 AM.
    05-31-2012 09:14 AM
  16. ghostface147's Avatar
    On second thought, shouldn't this be in the jailbreak forum?
    05-31-2012 09:25 AM
  17. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    ^ This opens up the bigger question of having the freedom to customize your iDevice.

    Sometimes I like to Jailbreak, and sometimes I like to go out-of-box. I'm still the same Apple user.

    Some people view Jailbreaking as criminal, and I don't understand that. It's just customizing your device as with any other piece of technology. It's having that additional level of usage, what I would say a normal level of usage. People should be able to jailbreak and really use their device. Piracy is in a different ballpark.
    05-31-2012 10:05 AM
  18. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ^ This opens up the bigger question of having the freedom to customize your iDevice.

    Sometimes I like to Jailbreak, and sometimes I like to go out-of-box. I'm still the same Apple user.

    Some people view Jailbreaking as criminal, and I don't understand that. It's just customizing your device as with any other piece of technology. It's having that additional level of usage, what I would say a normal level of usage. People should be able to jailbreak and really use their device. Piracy is in a different ballpark.
    No doubt and the term, "ownership" does not mean what it used to mean.

    Example: living in a neighborhood with a homeowners association. Your house can be completely paid for, but if you violate the terms of the homeowners agreement, your paid-for house can be taken away from you.


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    05-31-2012 10:58 AM
  19. ghostface147's Avatar
    ^ This opens up the bigger question of having the freedom to customize your iDevice.

    Sometimes I like to Jailbreak, and sometimes I like to go out-of-box. I'm still the same Apple user.

    Some people view Jailbreaking as criminal, and I don't understand that. It's just customizing your device as with any other piece of technology. It's having that additional level of usage, what I would say a normal level of usage. People should be able to jailbreak and really use their device. Piracy is in a different ballpark.
    I don't view it as criminal and it's your choice, but I don't have sympathy for those who JB and then complain when things don't work. Too damn bad. You chose to do it and knew there could be issues. Accept responsibility.
    05-31-2012 10:58 AM
  20. kch50428's Avatar
    I don't view it as criminal and it's your choice, but I don't have sympathy for those who JB and then complain when things don't work. Too damn bad. You chose to do it and knew there could be issues. Accept responsibility.
    I, as one who has made the choice to jailbreak DO accept responsibility... what we have here is some developers who make a conscious decision to SCREW OVER people who may have bought their app, legitimately - then make the app non-functional to people who bought the apps legit, then later jailbreak. This is unconscionable.
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    05-31-2012 11:10 AM
  21. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    I suggest that if any of you fellow jailbreakers come into contact with one of these apps, just go ahead and rate it 1/5 stars. I saw people doing that already. Just continuing the trend. Not Skype though, they're okay.
    05-31-2012 03:21 PM
  22. ghostface147's Avatar
    I, as one who has made the choice to jailbreak DO accept responsibility... what we have here is some developers who make a conscious decision to SCREW OVER people who may have bought their app, legitimately - then make the app non-functional to people who bought the apps legit, then later jailbreak. This is unconscionable.
    Nah, it's business. You don't want to follow the rules set by Apple, even if you are responsible, then so be it. No need for devs to support you. This argument comes down to one thing, your stance on why you should be supported and others who disagree.

    If I ever programmed (and I don't care to), you better believe I'd never let it run on jailbroken devices.
    05-31-2012 04:05 PM
  23. kch50428's Avatar
    Nah, it's business.
    Indeed. Developers will self-identify as being willing to screw people over, and the jailbreak community can vote with their wallets and not purchase from those developers, and support others.
    05-31-2012 04:19 PM
  24. Lenerdosy's Avatar
    Meh haven't come across an app that doesn't let me in that I need. Hope someone creates a tweak to get around it if I ever get in that situation. I understand paid apps may not like jailbroken devices because of piracy but free apps like Swamp People... Really? Oh well I like my tweaks better than a lot of app store apps, as long as my sport ones continue working.
    05-31-2012 04:35 PM
  25. 3cit's Avatar
    Can we get a list of apps that don't work on jail broken devices?
    Also can't you just use ifile and rename the cydia.app??? That's how these things work, They just check the file system for cydia....
    Last edited by 3cit; 05-31-2012 at 07:01 PM.
    05-31-2012 06:32 PM
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