1. robes1's Avatar
    SIRI SHOULD NOT BE PORTED TO THE IPHONE 4!! Do you have any idea how large the jailbreak community is?! The added weight of all those users will bring Siri to her knees. And why should people who won't buy the 4S have the right to do that?! This forum has a zero tolerance policy for those who want to talk about adding stolen apps through Jailbreaking. Why is this any different?! To get Siri you pay for the 4S. That's how you buy Siri. This IS stealing. If we can't share information on stolen apps then why is this even in the forums?! Do we speak for thieves now?! Do we help them to move their stolen product? I'm sure that Steve Jobs really would appreciate this! The price of he 4S includes payment for the use of Siri. It's not fair for criminals to be rewarded with the free use of what I gladly spent money to have.

    Of course this is my opinion. Feel free to add your own. I'm sure that you will anyway! LOL
    Last edited by robes1; 10-24-2011 at 01:25 PM.
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    10-23-2011 06:21 PM
  2. Timhewitt's Avatar
    Every 4S sold includes a license fee for the Nuance software included with Siri. Even if you somehow think that stealing Siri from Apple is OK, you are also stealing from
    Nuance if you install Siri on an iPhone 4.

    Sad how many people seem to think its ok to do this.

    As a developer, it makes me even more determined to thwart the jail break community who always scream they are not pirates or thieves... Right.
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    10-23-2011 09:04 PM
  3. matrix2004's Avatar
    Well Siri will not be happy. LOL.
    10-23-2011 09:05 PM
  4. KashSystems's Avatar
    My understanding is on Siri that even though it can be ported over to the iphone 4, in order to work it must communicate with Apple's servers. Which is why we have gotten siri outage issues, apple servers have been getting hit hard on Siri usage as it is. It has been stated that Apple will probably block Siri by doing a serial number/hardware check when it connects to their servers so that it can force people to buy the 4s(which is their right).

    Now there is one guy who has claimed about 4-5 days ago he got Siri to work on the iphone 4 without jailbreaking it, but he has yet to post any proof and it seems more like him blowing smoke at best.
    10-23-2011 09:29 PM
  5. Jellotime91's Avatar
    The jailbreak community is absolutely tiny, especially compared to the huge community of iPhone 4S users. Dude, 4 million in 3 days...

    I do not think Siri should be ported via jailbreak either, but not because of server load. :P
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    10-23-2011 09:34 PM
  6. Massie's Avatar
    All discussion of pirating/jailbreaking asideand they are absolutely NOT synonymousI'm guessing the Siri outages will die down soon; right now millions of people are playing with a new toy, but soon most will realize that using it in day to day life is not always practical and the server stress will abate.
    10-23-2011 09:36 PM
  7. robes1's Avatar
    I don't know if that guy got it to work but he should be taken for all that he has if he did. This is theft! How is it fair for those who have spent money on the 4S?! I'm not against the jailbreak community though. Just theft. I jailbreak and I pay for all of the apps that are not totally free but I've never installed a cracked or stolen app. I've even donated when I didn't have to because I thought that the developer deserved payment for the time that went into what he/she created.
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    10-23-2011 09:37 PM
  8. robes1's Avatar
    Using Siri in day to day life is very practical. It's certainly quicker than typing. And a lot safer when driving.
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    10-23-2011 09:39 PM
  9. hpcomputergeek's Avatar
    I don't know if that guy got it to work but he should be taken for all that he has if he did. This is theft! How is it fair for those who have spent money on the 4S?! I'm not against the jailbreak community though. Just theft. I jailbreak and I pay for all of the apps that are not totally free but I've never installed a cracked or stolen app. I've even donated when I didn't have to because I thought that the developer deserved payment for the time that went into what he/she created.
    He is re-writing the code so it won't be copyright infringement
    10-23-2011 09:47 PM
  10. robes1's Avatar
    But will it still use the same servers to gain access to the same service? Is he creating his own Siri?
    10-23-2011 09:49 PM
  11. noaim's Avatar
    I completely agree I do not jailbreak and do not use stolen software..
    10-23-2011 09:52 PM
  12. Massie's Avatar
    He is re-writing the code so it won't be copyright infringement
    Nice try, but it's not as if he's rewriting the whole program...if I publish Moby **** with some new chapter titles it's still infringement. And of course it will still use the same end service; making your own key doesn't make it okay to break in to someone else's house.
    10-23-2011 09:52 PM
  13. robes1's Avatar
    Nice try, but it's not as if he's rewriting the whole program...if I publish Moby **** with some new chapter titles it's still infringement. And of course it will still use the same end service; making your own key doesn't make it okay to break in to someone else's house.
    I agree totally! If he's not creating his own service then it will be stealing! I would have no problem with a little competition if he was doing his own thing. Rewriting code to allow you to steal services that I had to give up cash for is in no way cool with me! I would like to know how this could possibly be seen as anything other than criminal!
    10-23-2011 10:08 PM
  14. robes1's Avatar
    I completely agree I do not jailbreak and do not use stolen software..
    Honestly after using iOS 5 I seriously doubt that I'll ever jailbreak again. I don't mind the stock look of the iPhone. And I've never found a theme that I didn't want to get remove after a week or so. iFile was pretty cool but with dropbox, iCloud, and a new telephone number i don't really see the need anymore. Maybe if Apple decided to let people pay a fee to use Siri on their iPhone 4 then I would feel better about it.
    10-23-2011 10:12 PM
  15. Jellotime91's Avatar
    All discussion of pirating/jailbreaking asideand they are absolutely NOT synonymousI'm guessing the Siri outages will die down soon; right now millions of people are playing with a new toy, but soon most will realize that using it in day to day life is not always practical and the server stress will abate.
    Except for the FACT that the majority of people who jailbreak do it in order to get paid apps for free. That is guaranteed.
    10-23-2011 10:19 PM
  16. robes1's Avatar
    Except for the FACT that the majority of people who jailbreak do it in order to get paid apps for free. That is guaranteed.
    I don't know about the majority but its definitely a nice percentage. I write music and for that reason I refuse to steal what someone else has taken the time and energy to create. I had a jailbroken iPhone 3GS and then a jailbroken iPhone 4 and I never put a stolen app on either of them. It would have been really easy to do so the only reason that I didn't do it was because I just didn't feel right. Why don't these people think that stealing access to Siri is wrong?
    10-23-2011 10:37 PM
  17. HeyGreggie's Avatar
    I'm new to this whole "iphone/jailbreaking" thing....

    If I jailbreak my iphone4s...I lose Siri?
    10-23-2011 10:40 PM
  18. Massie's Avatar
    Except for the FACT that the majority of people who jailbreak do it in order to get paid apps for free. That is guaranteed.
    Even if trueand we really have no way of tellingmy point is simply that not all jailbreakers are thieves. Perhaps I should have said "equal to" instead of synonymous.
    10-23-2011 10:42 PM
  19. E_Brown's Avatar
    Except for the FACT that the majority of people who jailbreak do it in order to get paid apps for free. That is guaranteed.
    I never understood why some people don't want to pay for apps. You pay $300 or so for a phone, roughly $100/month for service and they can't pay for an app that costs a few bucks. If I jailbreak when the 4S can, I'll do it solely so I can have bitesms.


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    10-23-2011 10:42 PM
  20. JohnH59's Avatar
    Except for the FACT that the majority of people who jailbreak do it in order to get paid apps for free. That is guaranteed.
    Majority? I respectfully disagree. If the majority JB'd to get paid apps for free, why would a developer create an app for JB'd phones and charge for it. There wouldn't be anything in it for him if there were not enough people buying them. Why would Saurik maintain Cydia? It would serve no purpose for him either.

    Of course there are those that install cracked apps. There are thieves everywhere. But, I choose to believe that the majority are moral and pay for what they install.
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    10-23-2011 10:48 PM
  21. KashSystems's Avatar
    He is re-writing the code so it won't be copyright infringement
    does not mean it wont be patent infringement.
    10-23-2011 11:02 PM
  22. robes1's Avatar
    Even if trueand we really have no way of tellingmy point is simply that not all jailbreakers are thieves. Perhaps I should have said "equal to" instead of synonymous.
    LOL! I think we got ya!
    10-23-2011 11:08 PM
  23. robes1's Avatar
    I'm happy to see your thoughts on Jailbreaking. So I'll take your stances on that to mean that you are mostly against Siri being added to the iPhone 4. Am I correct?
    10-23-2011 11:14 PM
  24. aberrant.chicken's Avatar
    I, too, disagree with how people are generalizing jailbreakers to be pirates. Even those people who developes jailbreaking tools are against pirating.
    People jailbreak for many different reasons.... from the beginning when there were no unlocked iphones, the only way to be able to use an iphone was to jailbreak and unlock it with ultrasn0w to now where there are unlocked phones but you pay a hefty price or have to look to other countries to be able to get your hands on an unlocked iphone simply because the country they live in do no have carriers that carry iphones.
    Some other people jailbreak so they can take full potential or modify their iphones to suit them the best. When apple does not really listen to consumers on their feedbacks, others step forward to fix the issues themselves. The whole notification system that the ios5 is sporting now came from jailbreakers who wrote tweaks and apps to modify the not very practical notification system that existed in ios4. Apps and tweaks like lockinfo, call bar, and missed notifications actually made one's ios4 look and work like ios5. Should apple be sued and take responsibility for integrating these functions into ios5 because these functions were made possible before ios5 came out? I don't think so either. I have a jailbroken iphone4 because of the above stated reasons and not because I jailbroke so I can get apps for free. With all the tweaks that I BOUGHT (yes you read right, I paid for them) on Cydia, the only reason I would consider upgrading to ios5 is only for iMessage and not for Siri.
    I was a developer on bb so I know how bad it feels when someone just rips you off by getting their hands on something that you have invested time in for free.
    Just my 2 cents.
    Last edited by aberrant.chicken; 10-23-2011 at 11:22 PM.
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    10-23-2011 11:16 PM
  25. BLiNK's Avatar
    i love how ignorant some people can be. they think ALL jailbreakers "steal" software. idiots
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    10-23-2011 11:24 PM
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