1. Eileen89's Avatar
    Apple has to redesign the iPhone or else their butts will be kicked by Android. Usually they are the first ones to produce a new feature and their r starting to get beat. Apple will have to do pretty well with this iPhone or android might start winning. Im expecting new design, 4g, 10/12 mp camera, thinner lighter, 3 mp front facing camera they want to have reasons why people want an iPhone and not a droid
    What Android out on the market today has a 10/12 MP camera that Apple needs to be worried about? IMHO, Apple has absolutely nothing to be worried about for the reasons that I mentioned here: http://forums.tipb.com/1757039-post3.html.
    09-13-2011 07:55 PM
  2. redbeard's Avatar
    I think with this update all the focus has been on the software side--the last update brought the retina display and the hardware redesign; now we get iCloud, iTunes Match, iMessage, more Airplay/Facetime availability (?) and so on.

    While those things are good additions, they are not what most people were looking for, the notification system was the biggest mess, and yet they still only managed to halfway fix it, you'll still need to jailbreak to get a status bar icon! The cloud offers me nothing, I have 1 gig of music on my phone, so it's a gimmick, iMessage is ok, but I have unlimited texting, so again it's of no benefit. Still no Facetime over 3G, I've been doing it for over a year thanks to the jailbreak devs If the focus was on the software side, that's pretty bad, they are playing catch-up with other phones and yet they still didn't get it right.

    Meanwhile other companies are pumping out a dozen phones or more every year, in all shapes and sizes, with more software features, yet you're telling me the most valuable company on Earth can't build one phone and one OS update every year? I don't buy that because it's utter nonsense, the only thing that could stop Apple is they are choosing not to.


    In other words, it's true that the iP4 specs have been matched and sometimes beaten by competitors, but simply having a bigger spec sheet has never been what Apple excels at, or has even tried to excel at. Instead, they're focused on the experience, and hardware is only part of that. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that this year was more of a software refresh with some slight hardware bumps. Just the iOS 5 features have already got people excited.

    While there is truth to that, after spending time with some of my friends "inferior" Android phones, that are much faster, and offer a far better "user experience", than the locked down iPhone, I wonder if that's just marketing spin.

    What exactly is there to be excited about with iOS 5? The only things that interest me is the notification system and Reminders, I know the jailbreak devs will fix the flaws of the notification system, but then I have had a superior notification system on my iPhone for a couple years now.

    The UI is still exactly as it was in 07, when you look at OS 1 and OS 5 they look identical, and just like a car that hasn't be re-designed in ten years, it looks and feels stale, eventually the average consumer is going to catch on (which I personally feel they already have going by how many people I know that have left the iPhone).

    And it's worth remembering that the vast majority of iPhone users are not the usual tipb.com reader. Many are still happily using the 3GS they've never synced, unaware even that they could update their software. I just explained the app switcher to someone who has been using her iP4 for a year; she had no idea it was there. For people like this, specs--if they mean anything at all--are very far down the list, and certainly well below the ease-of-use factor that has made the iPhone so popular in the first place.
    And those people would probably still be happy with a RAZR, I believe Apple should strive to be the best, and that's how the iPhone became #1, never updating the thing because Sally soccer mom is a moron and won't notice, doesn't seem like a good business plan.

    I really hope Apple has a secret iPhone 5 they've been hiding with a larger screen and other improvements, but I'm not holding out much hope, the iPhone 4 was a must buy, now 15 months later, buying another iPhone 4 with the same boring locked down OS seems like a bad investment. I think some people really need to go out and see some of the new phones out from the competition, they really are good.
    09-13-2011 08:45 PM
  3. redbeard's Avatar
    Exactly! The huge majority of consumers look at the overall user experience the iPhone offers rather than the spec sheet. However, I take exception to the characterization that the rumored hardware improvements will be "slight". The jump from the single-core A4 to the dual-core A5 alone is huge, but I doubt the hardware bumps stop there.

    The techie fringe may have a jaded attitude to what this next iPhone may offer, but the overwhelming majority of consumers who can afford it are at near fever pitch. Demand for iPhone 5 is going to be off the charts.
    Like that user experience where I was trying to show a group of people a website on my superior iPhone last night and I embarrassingly had to borrow a friend's inferior Android phone to show because it was a flash site? It's things like that that make you stop and wonder about this whole deal.
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    09-13-2011 08:53 PM
  4. redbeard's Avatar
    It is no different than the 3G and 3GS honestly. They simply beefed up the 3G and called it a day. I'm not sure how that is all that shocking. I wish I knew every little detail but I don't. Perhaps they are sticking with that pattern.

    Look at it this way, currently the iPhone 4 is still the best selling phone out there after being out for well over a year at this point. Apple knows a beefed up 4 will sell well. And it will.

    And I'll say it again, I hope to God I've been lied to.
    I've never got the sales argument as a consumer, sure it's good for Apple, but it benefits me how?

    Some of the best goods out there sell in very low numbers, I'd rather drive a Ferrari and wear a Rolex then drive a Kia and wear a Casio. Sales numbers mean nothing to me.
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    09-13-2011 08:58 PM
  5. redbeard's Avatar
    I don't think Apple can get away with just beefing up the iphone 4 these days, the competition is stiff and they need to do keep bringing people into its stores.

    When looking at the ipad and the ipad2, i think "iphone 5" will vary in its design compared to the iphone 4.
    Exactly, people bring up past years where there was little in the way of any competition, things have changed now, Apple got that with the 4.

    How is the general consumer who is not a techie going to want an iPhone 5 when they walk into an Apple store and start playing with one and think it's the "old one"? When they can't tell it from the 4?

    I forgot to add, when the old one that looks and feels the same is cheaper too?
    Last edited by redbeard; 09-13-2011 at 09:15 PM.
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    09-13-2011 09:01 PM
  6. redbeard's Avatar
    I agree. Android has 3D phones now!
    But really, I will be disappointed if they did absolutely nothing during the 3 extra months they had. That's 25% more time than they normally get, that's huge! I know, 80 billion yada yada yada. Maybe they can rest on the laurels and get away with a 4S, but why would they want to? If there aren't serious spec upgrades on this phone, I'm keeping my 4 and enjoying iOS 5.

    Why wouldn't I upgrade to a 4S? Contract. If they plan on releasing a new iPhone June 2012, and I'm renewing my contract in October, I'm not gonna be eligible for the REAL upgrade June 2012.
    I was thinking the same thing the other day, what if next summer Apple comes out with a 4 inch screen phone and I'm locked into an AT&T contract until 2013!

    I don't want to leave the Apple ecosystem, and I really need a phone for work that has a notification light and a speaker I can hear, so I might just buy something else for work, and keep my 4 and just get the iPhone 6 whenever it comes out.
    09-13-2011 09:09 PM
  7. Premium1's Avatar
    I've never got the sales argument as a consumer, sure it's good for Apple, but it benefits me how?

    Some of the best goods out there sell in very low numbers, I'd rather drive a Ferrari and wear a Rolex then drive a Kia and wear a Casio. Sales numbers mean nothing to me.
    Ha someone who looks at things with an unclouded mind. This is so true since all iphone owners use is well it sells more than your android so it must be better.
    09-13-2011 09:31 PM
  8. Sidberto's Avatar
    I think that the iPhone 4 spec bump and antenna redesigns will be for all carriers and Apple will still sell two models (GSM for AT&T and T-Mobile and CDMA for Verizon and Sprint) for $100 on contract. But in addition, Apple will release a redesigned iPhone 5 at the regular price points of $200/$300 on contract for both all carriers as well.

    To sum up, we will see an iPhone on all carriers. An iPhone 4 with redesigned antenna system AND an iPhone 5 with a complete redesign.
    09-13-2011 09:34 PM
  9. DoubleM's Avatar
    I think that the iPhone 4 spec bump and antenna redesigns will be for all carriers and Apple will still sell two models (GSM for AT&T and T-Mobile and CDMA for Verizon and Sprint) for $100 on contract. But in addition, Apple will release a redesigned iPhone 5 at the regular price points of $200/$300 on contract for both all carriers as well.

    To sum up, we will see an iPhone on all carriers. An iPhone 4 with redesigned antenna system AND an iPhone 5 with a complete redesign.
    I hope your right...I'm getting nervous hearing all this "no redesign" talk.
    09-13-2011 10:29 PM
  10. Premium1's Avatar
    I'll repeat myself here - Not sure how you can say that when the current phone is still out selling every single phone in existence today...
    uum the sgs2 was outselling the i4 in Korea or wherever so it isn't outselling that phone so not every phone in existence
    09-13-2011 10:52 PM
  11. Jeremy's Avatar
    uum the sgs2 was outselling the i4 in Korea or wherever so it isn't outselling that phone so not every phone in existence
    Please forgive me, in the USA.

    Never checked your PM's either...
    09-13-2011 10:57 PM
  12. Premium1's Avatar
    Please forgive me, in the USA.

    Never checked your PM's either...
    I checked all my pms?
    09-13-2011 11:09 PM
  13. Massie's Avatar
    While those things are good additions, they are not what most people were looking for, the notification system was the biggest mess, and yet they still only managed to halfway fix it, you'll still need to jailbreak to get a status bar icon! The cloud offers me nothing, I have 1 gig of music on my phone, so it's a gimmick, iMessage is ok, but I have unlimited texting, so again it's of no benefit. Still no Facetime over 3G, I've been doing it for over a year thanks to the jailbreak devs If the focus was on the software side, that's pretty bad, they are playing catch-up with other phones and yet they still didn't get it right.

    Meanwhile other companies are pumping out a dozen phones or more every year, in all shapes and sizes, with more software features, yet you're telling me the most valuable company on Earth can't build one phone and one OS update every year? I don't buy that because it's utter nonsense, the only thing that could stop Apple is they are choosing not to.

    While there is truth to that, after spending time with some of my friends "inferior" Android phones, that are much faster, and offer a far better "user experience", than the locked down iPhone, I wonder if that's just marketing spin.

    What exactly is there to be excited about with iOS 5? The only things that interest me is the notification system and Reminders, I know the jailbreak devs will fix the flaws of the notification system, but then I have had a superior notification system on my iPhone for a couple years now.

    The UI is still exactly as it was in 07, when you look at OS 1 and OS 5 they look identical, and just like a car that hasn't be re-designed in ten years, it looks and feels stale, eventually the average consumer is going to catch on (which I personally feel they already have going by how many people I know that have left the iPhone).



    And those people would probably still be happy with a RAZR, I believe Apple should strive to be the best, and that's how the iPhone became #1, never updating the thing because Sally soccer mom is a moron and won't notice, doesn't seem like a good business plan.

    I really hope Apple has a secret iPhone 5 they've been hiding with a larger screen and other improvements, but I'm not holding out much hope, the iPhone 4 was a must buy, now 15 months later, buying another iPhone 4 with the same boring locked down OS seems like a bad investment. I think some people really need to go out and see some of the new phones out from the competition, they really are good.
    For what it's worth, I totally get where you're coming from--our phones probably have a lot of the same stuff installed. I just don't believe that most of the world notices a lot of this stuff. Which isn't to say it's not worth it, just that if Apple is focusing on their biggest user base, it won't necessarily be people like you and me who jb and tweak every little thing.

    It's easy for us to say "where are my status bar icons, Apple?!?", but most people would be more likely to say "what's a status bar?" But I don't think they're "never updating the thing" by any means; but more that they're doing updates that allow them to hold consumers' hands while they walk them through new features. Again, it's something that's frustrating for geek users but probably a good long term strategy for Apple. In other words, I think you're right: Apple is choosing to do smaller updates.

    [Aside: Why is quoting posts so messed up? If I'm quoting a conversation, my reply only shows the latest poster's comments, not the whole thread--as above, where I can't see any of my own comments that redbeard was replying to.)
    09-13-2011 11:36 PM
  14. Jellotime91's Avatar
    @red of course the SGS2 outsold ip4 in korea!!! Korean pop stars make songs about Super Amoled!

    Also, why do you think Sony's crappy X10 outsold it in Japan? It's called nationalism.
    09-14-2011 12:40 AM
  15. DannyMichel's Avatar
    I look at it like this: if my non tech friends can't tell what the difference is, it's not worth upgrading to


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    09-14-2011 12:56 AM
  16. smileyboy's Avatar
    I find it hard to believe that Apple would wait this long and release a minimal upgrade.... I think a lot of these blogs are getting info.... But about the i4 for sprint or the i4 entry level model....


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    09-14-2011 01:54 AM
  17. Premium1's Avatar
    I have heard that iPhone 5 Price Starts from $425, it is true ?
    It will most likely be 199/299 since apple keeps the prices the same for years.
    09-14-2011 10:38 AM
  18. dcgore's Avatar
    At any rate, iphone 5 is not far from now. Woohoo!
    09-14-2011 01:54 PM
  19. Phil DeLong's Avatar
    I couldn't care less if it looks the same, I actually love the iPhone 4 form factor. Internals are far more important to me.
    09-14-2011 04:04 PM
  20. Eileen89's Avatar
    I find it hard to believe that Apple would wait this long and release a minimal upgrade.... I think a lot of these blogs are getting info.... But about the i4 for sprint or the i4 entry level model....


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    Hopefully you are correct and Apple will confirm that there are indeed 2 new iPhones coming out. The iPhone 5 being the one that has new hardware along with the new iOS version.
    09-14-2011 04:54 PM
  21. jonpulice's Avatar
    Never know, they may surprise us still
    09-15-2011 12:17 PM
  22. DrewBear's Avatar
    It is no different than the 3G and 3GS honestly. They simply beefed up the 3G and called it a day. I'm not sure how that is all that shocking. I wish I knew every little detail but I don't. Perhaps they are sticking with that pattern.

    Look at it this way, currently the iPhone 4 is still the best selling phone out there after being out for well over a year at this point. Apple knows a beefed up 4 will sell well. And it will.

    And I'll say it again, I hope to God I've been lied to.
    In order of probability from most likely to least likely:

    1. Your source is right.
    2. Your source is wrong (didn't know all the details).
    3. Your source knew all the details and lied to you.

    I'm guessing you're really hoping for #2.
    09-15-2011 12:35 PM
  23. trtmazda3's Avatar
    I don't understand why a new design is so important. New specs are where it's at. The 4 is a gorgeous phone, anyway.
    09-15-2011 12:40 PM
  24. Premium1's Avatar
    If they add lte I could care less if it looks like the i4.
    09-15-2011 02:18 PM
  25. LazyStarGazer's Avatar
    I don't understand why a new design is so important. New specs are where it's at.
    I want both.
    09-15-2011 04:45 PM
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