1. Premium1's Avatar
    I think apple is waiting for the price of the lte chips to drop so they don't have to increase the price of their phone since they like to keep them at $199/$299. 4G LTE Devices Could See Significant Price Drop in Late 2012 - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog I think since the 2nd gen chips will be more readily available and hopefully help with some battery issues that is what apple is waiting for. Any thoughts?
    09-07-2011 10:40 AM
  2. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Apple would never have to increase the price of the iPhone. They get huge discounts on all parts because they buy so much more of the same parts than anyone else does.

    I think the more likely reason is that they are working on making a device that covers GSM and CDMA in one device, and they can't cover 4G for all carriers in the same device so they're waiting for next year to expand. Also, most 4G networks are not very evolved yet, and in many countries (like Canada), there isn't any 4G available in the foreseeable future (granted, our 3G is way faster).
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    09-07-2011 11:01 AM
  3. Rusty Shackelford#IM's Avatar
    Apple would never have to increase the price of the iPhone. They get huge discounts on all parts because they buy so much more of the same parts than anyone else does.

    I think the more likely reason is that they are working on making a device that covers GSM and CDMA in one device, and they can't cover 4G for all carriers in the same device so they're waiting for next year to expand. Also, most 4G networks are not very evolved yet, and in many countries (like Canada), there isn't any 4G available in the foreseeable future (granted, our 3G is way faster).
    +1 to this theory. Even in the US 4g is very much in its infancy. If you are lucky enough to live in a 4g area the speeds are crazy fast, but if you go outside of the small 4g footprint you have a major issue with battery drain. My wife had the thunderbolt and couldn't even make it through a work day on one charge cause the area she works is in and out of 4g.
    09-07-2011 11:18 AM
  4. ghostface147's Avatar
    LTE is too power hungry and the chips are too big in this generation. I think we'll see one next year, maybe even 2013.
    09-07-2011 11:32 AM
  5. jsntrenkler's Avatar
    It's September, we need apple to announce something soon so we can squash all the rumors. I think that Apple is going to have a hard time competing sans 4G ... I know of people that are avoiding the iPhone because it's only 3G ... Crazy to realize but it's really out there.
    09-07-2011 12:11 PM
  6. ghostface147's Avatar
    Well that raises another question. Surely the new iPhone radio will support the 4G that ATT and T-Mobile use currently, which is HSPA+. While we know it's not really true 4G (and frankly neither is LTE since it doesn't carry voice at the moment), will Apple market it as 4G? Then next year call it iPhone LTE.
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    09-07-2011 12:37 PM
  7. Eileen89's Avatar
    It's September, we need apple to announce something soon so we can squash all the rumors. I think that Apple is going to have a hard time competing sans 4G ... I know of people that are avoiding the iPhone because it's only 3G ... Crazy to realize but it's really out there.
    I used to think the same thing about the GS2, however, after my experience with the Inspire 4G last weekend, I no longer think so. I know the GS2 is using newer technology than the Infuse but Android is still buggy in a lot of ways, and still doesn't come close to Apples App store from what I was seeing in the Android Market. Battery life continues to be a big issue as well. One other thing that I found was that my browser experience is much better on my iPhone 4 despite it's smaller screen. I really do think that the GS2 is going to do well in terms of sales, but it still won't come close to the numbers that the new iPhone is going to see.
    09-07-2011 12:46 PM
  8. Premium1's Avatar
    I used to think the same thing about the GS2, however, after my experience with the Inspire 4G last weekend, I no longer think so. I know the GS2 is using newer technology than the Infuse but Android is still buggy in a lot of ways, and still doesn't come close to Apples App store from what I was seeing in the Android Market. Battery life continues to be a big issue as well. One other thing that I found was that my browser experience is much better on my iPhone 4 despite it's smaller screen. I really do think that the GS2 is going to do well in terms of sales, but it still won't come close to the numbers that the new iPhone is going to see.
    Yeah no phone will because people buy apple as more of a status symbol for alot so apple really doesn't need to change much because the same people are going to buy it just like most of the same people stick with android. Apple has a loyal following which is why I can see them getting away with a 3g only phone. Has nothing to do with os or how smooth it is. It is just different perspectives from apple and android fans, hence why you are seeing more lte androids pop up and more of a focus being put on that. I think people would be ok with not that great battery life on a lte iphone. I mean when the 3g/3gs was out it didnt have that great of battery life either.
    09-07-2011 12:49 PM
  9. Eileen89's Avatar
    Yeah no phone will because people buy apple as more of a status symbol for alot so apple really doesn't need to change much because the same people are going to buy it just like most of the same people stick with android. Apple has a loyal following which is why I can see them getting away with a 3g only phone. Has nothing to do with os or how smooth it is. It is just different perspectives from apple and android fans, hence why you are seeing more lte androids pop up and more of a focus being put on that. I think people would be ok with not that great battery life on a lte iphone. I mean when the 3g/3gs was out it didnt have that great of battery life either.
    I disagree with the area in your post that I Bolded. I think the reason why the iPhone sells as well as it does has a LOT to do with how smooth and polished that it is. Also, except for people like us who post on these forums I do not feel as though there are a large number of people out there who really know what the difference is between a 3G and a LTE device, which will still be a big factor in the number of sales that the new iPhone is going to see even if it doesn't include LTE this time around.
    09-07-2011 12:58 PM
  10. Premium1's Avatar
    I disagree with the area in your post that I Bolded. I think the reason why the iPhone sells as well as it does has a LOT to do with how smooth and polished that it is. Also, except for people like us who post on these forums I do not feel as though there are a large number of people out there who really know what the difference is between a 3G and a LTE device, which will still be a big factor in the number of sales that the new iPhone is going to see even if it doesn't include LTE this time around.
    Yeah but with advertising most who aren't on sites like this walk into a store and see something that has a large advertising and something that sticks out and thats what they get without knowing what real advantage so called feature does or even if they need it. Advertising plays a huge part and that is one reason apple products sell so well because you are bombarded with advertisements all the time and almost everywhere you go. Also, most people aren't as nitpicking like those on sites such as these are. I see many people with androids and they dont really complain about lag or things like that. I also know people with iphones and they don't say it is so smooth most do not know any difference nor care.
    Last edited by redraider133; 09-07-2011 at 01:07 PM.
    09-07-2011 01:05 PM
  11. Eileen89's Avatar
    Yeah but with advertising most who aren't on sites like this walk into a store and see something that has a large advertising and something that sticks out and thats what they get without knowing what real advantage so called feature does or even if they need it. Advertising plays a huge part and that is one reason apple products sell so well because you are bombarded with advertisements all the time and almost everywhere you go.
    If "advertisement" is your argument, then I also disagree. Due to the fact that I see a large number of advertisements for both the iPhone 4 and the LTE Android devices that are on Verizon's network. This being the case, the number of sales for both OS devices should be equal but it's not. As I said before, most people don't care about the speed at which their phones process information, but rather, how well it works, and whether the phone is easy to use VS complicated. It is no secret that the iPhone is easier for people to pick up and use than an Android device.
    09-07-2011 01:14 PM
  12. Premium1's Avatar
    If "advertisement" is your argument, then I also disagree. Due to the fact that I see a large number of advertisements for both the iPhone 4 and the LTE Android devices that are on Verizon's network. This being the case, the number of sales for both OS devices should be equal but it's not. As I said before, most people don't care about the speed at which their phones process information, but rather, how well it works, and whether the phone is easy to use VS complicated. It is no secret that the iPhone is easier for people to pick up and use than an Android device.
    So you are saying that there is more lte commercials than apple commercials? I dont know what you are watching but I see atleast 10+ apple advertisements a day compared to about 2-3 tops for lte devices.
    09-07-2011 01:22 PM
  13. Eileen89's Avatar
    So you are saying that there is more lte commercials than apple commercials? I dont know what you are watching but I see atleast 10+ apple advertisements a day compared to about 2-3 tops for lte devices.
    I believe I said that I see a "large number of both". You are only seeing 2 or 3 LTE device advertisements per day? Really?? As I said, I see a large number of both, whether one has 1 or 2 more than the other is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is, the iPhone has a higher number of sales than Android, I don't believe "advertisement" alone has anything to do with it. People see and watch what their friends or family members are using as well. When they see how well the iPhone works for them, they go out and buy one for themselves, and so on and so forth. I never liked the iPhone when it first came out, and never purchased one until I saw a few friends of mine with the iPhone 3GS. I was getting tired of my Blackberry Bold and needed something new so I decided to give the 3GS a trial run. Since then I have had a few Android devices but keep coming back to my iPhone. Number one reason for that is that my iPhone 4 does everything I need it to do, and does it well. I don't have to worry about taking a charger to work with me to charge my iPhone in the middle of the day the way I had to with my Android devices. Quite frankly, as concerned as Apple has been in the past over the battery life in the iPhones, I really don't think we'll have to worry about that even if the new iPhone does support LTE technology.
    Last edited by Irish Rose; 09-07-2011 at 01:53 PM.
    09-07-2011 01:51 PM
  14. Semyonchella's Avatar
    The supplier for the LTE chipset that Apple would have been using in the iPhone 5, is not achieving the yields necessary to produce sufficient quantities to meet the predicted demand. He also mentioned that Apple had hoped to have these chipsets ready, but since it was unlikely was now planning on releasing an updated iPhone 4 instead.
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    09-08-2011 11:45 PM
  15. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Well that raises another question. Surely the new iPhone radio will support the 4G that ATT and T-Mobile use currently, which is HSPA+. While we know it's not really true 4G (and frankly neither is LTE since it doesn't carry voice at the moment), will Apple market it as 4G? Then next year call it iPhone LTE.
    That's not 4G. Even AT&T doesn't refer to HSPA+ as 4G. But Maybe Apple will find some way to spin things with their marketing. Everyone was calling the iPhone 4 "iPhone 4G", and there is currently a STRONG misconception that the iPhone 4 already has 4G connectivity. Even here in Canada, where 4G networks do not even exist and our carriers are not calling HSPA+ 4G (as T-Mobile does).

    I do think this iPhone will support HSPA+ though. Apple can't completely ignore the rest of the market this year, especially since they're taking an extra 4 months longer than usual to announce this device.

    Apple will find a ridiculously effective way to compete with their marketing campaign, and iPhone sales numbers will increase, yet again. Guaranteed.

    @semyonchella

    That's bull. Sorry, that's just trolly-troll link-bait content.

    You think Apple's going to wait a whole quarter longer than usual and release a minor update device? Yeah... that's just not a very smart assumption. Also, this is the 5th iPhone. 5 years is a BIG deal. Apple made some BIG OS changes this year and I think the hardware will be no different.

    @Irish Rose
    I was about to comment about how I never see either, but then I realized that I live in Canada (therefore no LTE commercials), and I don't watch TV. haha
    Last edited by Jellotime91; 09-09-2011 at 07:08 AM.
    09-09-2011 07:00 AM
  16. Eileen89's Avatar
    @Irish Rose
    I was about to comment about how I never see either, but then I realized that I live in Canada (therefore no LTE commercials), and I don't watch TV. haha
    LOL, Jellotime, those are two very good reasons for not seeing any LTE commercials.
    09-09-2011 07:38 AM
  17. Premium1's Avatar
    That's not 4G. Even AT&T doesn't refer to HSPA+ as 4G. But Maybe Apple will find some way to spin things with their marketing. Everyone was calling the iPhone 4 "iPhone 4G", and there is currently a STRONG misconception that the iPhone 4 already has 4G connectivity. Even here in Canada, where 4G networks do not even exist and our carriers are not calling HSPA+ 4G (as T-Mobile does).

    I do think this iPhone will support HSPA+ though. Apple can't completely ignore the rest of the market this year, especially since they're taking an extra 4 months longer than usual to announce this device.

    Apple will find a ridiculously effective way to compete with their marketing campaign, and iPhone sales numbers will increase, yet again. Guaranteed.

    @semyonchella

    That's bull. Sorry, that's just trolly-troll link-bait content.

    You think Apple's going to wait a whole quarter longer than usual and release a minor update device? Yeah... that's just not a very smart assumption. Also, this is the 5th iPhone. 5 years is a BIG deal. Apple made some BIG OS changes this year and I think the hardware will be no different.

    @Irish Rose
    I was about to comment about how I never see either, but then I realized that I live in Canada (therefore no LTE commercials), and I don't watch TV. haha
    Doesn't the sgs2 run on lte in canada? Pretty sure I saw that somewhere. You would also think that since at&t is rolling out an lte network of thei own if apple could some how fit lte in their then they could advertise it as the first lte dual core on at&t which that in itself would get more people to buy. Even if they don't have lte in their area it would be something they could turn off.
    Last edited by redraider133; 09-09-2011 at 10:13 AM.
    09-09-2011 10:08 AM
  18. Eileen89's Avatar
    Doesn't the sgs2 run on lte in canada? Pretty sure I saw that somewhere. .
    Yes, it does. Samsung Galaxy S II LTE will be launched in Canada via Rogers Unwired View
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    09-09-2011 10:16 AM
  19. ghostface147's Avatar
    That's not 4G. Even AT&T doesn't refer to HSPA+ as 4G.
    Yes they do. Go to 4G Speed from AT&T - AT&T 4G with HSPA+ and LTE - Wireless from AT&T and you'll see the big orange banner that shows ATT 4G. Click on the technology tab and it clearly shows the 4G moniker over HSPA+ and LTE. My guess is they will go the Verizon route and call it 4G LTE when their LTE network is more robust and leave their HSPA+ network are plain ol' 4G. Also, the fine print on their commercials states at the bottom 4G is HSPA+.
    09-09-2011 11:47 AM
  20. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Yes they do. Go to 4G Speed from AT&T - AT&T 4G with HSPA+ and LTE - Wireless from AT&T and you'll see the big orange banner that shows ATT 4G. Click on the technology tab and it clearly shows the 4G moniker over HSPA+ and LTE. My guess is they will go the Verizon route and call it 4G LTE when their LTE network is more robust and leave their HSPA+ network are plain ol' 4G. Also, the fine print on their commercials states at the bottom 4G is HSPA+.
    That's really weird. In Canada we have had huge HSPA+ networks for a LONG time, and it's only really been referred to as 3G+ or 3.5G.

    I did not know Rogers even had an LTE network... They really haven't been advertising it, I walk past their store and see their ads on the subway all the time, never once seen a single mention of LTE or 4G. Must be a very new development.
    09-09-2011 07:13 PM
  21. Premium1's Avatar
    That's really weird. In Canada we have had huge HSPA+ networks for a LONG time, and it's only really been referred to as 3G+ or 3.5G.

    I did not know Rogers even had an LTE network... They really haven't been advertising it, I walk past their store and see their ads on the subway all the time, never once seen a single mention of LTE or 4G. Must be a very new development.
    Must not be that new since they are getting the sgs2 lte and have advertisements all over their site about their lte network.
    09-09-2011 08:08 PM
  22. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Must not be that new since they are getting the sgs2 lte and have advertisements all over their site about their lte network.
    Looked it up, it launched only in Ottawa in July and will expand to Toronto some time in Fall.. That's 2 cities... Not a very viable network for any sort of competition.
    09-09-2011 10:04 PM
  23. Premium1's Avatar
    Looked it up, it launched only in Ottawa in July and will expand to Toronto some time in Fall.. That's 2 cities... Not a very viable network for any sort of competition.
    Who said it was a viable network? You said there was no lte in canada which there is.
    09-09-2011 10:11 PM
  24. Jellotime91's Avatar
    ..... As of 1 month ago, in only one city. To me that doesn't really count...
    09-09-2011 11:22 PM
  25. Premium1's Avatar
    ..... As of 1 month ago, in only one city. To me that doesn't really count...
    Well its there so it counts lol.
    09-10-2011 12:51 AM
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