1. Premium1's Avatar
    More LTE discussion. http://forums.tipb.com/t-forum/21724...ml#post1748639

    And do you really think Apple would install both AT&T and Verizon LTE equipment now if this next phone did not have it?
    Yes it could be for the next ipad.
    08-28-2011 12:38 PM
  2. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Now here's a iPhone that will never happen: a version with a removable battery and a physical keyboard.

    NOTE: Switching to some iteration of iPhone from Palm this fall via Sprint.
    You know you're out of the loop when you think a Palm device is a good choice after HP has just discontinued all manufacturing and support of these devices. :P
    08-28-2011 03:53 PM
  3. david.e.crocker@gmail.com's Avatar
    You don't tug on Superman's cape. You don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask of that ol' Lone Ranger and you don't question Jeremy about this kind of stuff. #justsaying
    Why not? Sometimes change only occurs through friction. Who is he anyways. God?

    Nope. I still believe we'll see three.

    Show me irrefutable proof. Asked and not answered (spitting into wind and tugging on said cape)
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    08-29-2011 01:16 AM
  4. david.e.crocker@gmail.com's Avatar
    If you need proof, just read through some of his posts and you'll see how many things he posted so far that has been correct.


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    I know he's wise but that doesn't automatically make him right every time.

    Look, I'm just calling it as I see it - and if I were Steve Jobs it would make sense to me. I consider myself a fairly wise individual. So do others.
    08-29-2011 01:23 AM
  5. david.e.crocker@gmail.com's Avatar
    That is what I am saying. I am sure there are many people out there who would like a little bit larger screen and apple could make the hd and price that at 199/299 and then use the 4s/4 as the cheaper priced model. That way they would only need to make one new model or even make 2 new models and just get rid of the 3gs. Then again steve jobs said nobody would ever want a phone with a screen over 3.5 inch screen so looks like it will stick with that size.
    No offense, but when higher-ups in companies start saying 'No one will ever...' that makes me worry about their sanity.

    Want proof? Find Steve Ballmer and ask him about the iPhone, or see his videos on YouTube. He said no way in hell people would buy that phone without a keyboard for the enterprise market. Oops, wrong.

    RIM stated the same thing. How'd that work out? Don't get me started on Palm/HP......or Nokia......

    Change is supposed to hurt, supposed to make things be seen differently, radically differently.

    Steve Jobs made his entire company on that line of thinking - so don't tell me he doesn't consider it.

    That's narrow-minded and foolish, something Steve Jobs is not.

    As far as I am concerned, I think he's a damn time traveler.

    One thing is for certain, no matter how you slice it, he's the best thing to have ever happened to this industry, bar none. Best CEO to have ever graced a company. His ability to see and know is scary impressive. I love that he doesn't really care whether or not the market thinks it's good, he cares about the end user experience, something I preach at my job as well.

    It's always about the customer. And right now, the customers want choice.

    Dispute that. I don't mean that spitefully, I mean that seriously.
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    08-29-2011 01:30 AM
  6. Jellotime91's Avatar
    ... Triple post... Necessary?

    I don't think so.

    Anyway what you're saying is kind of backwards, you want proof that Apple is NOT going to do something this year that they've never done before? The proof is that they've never done it before and their current strategy is becoming more and more successful every year. Add to that the fact that many analysts have predicted multiple new models in the past, and guess what, it has never happened.

    It's kind of like claiming the world is going to end and asking for proof that it ISN'T.. Well hmm, every other prediction of the world ending has been wrong, so I think that's pretty sufficient proof that the world most likely will not be ending upon your predicted date.
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    08-29-2011 02:16 AM
  7. Calebswag7's Avatar
    Whoa the tensions in here need to calm down. To everyone saying there won't be 3 iPhones how would you know? Aldo wanted is one of the only people keeping an open mind here. No one KNOWS anything. Every article out there is based on rumors and half evidence and as for his article he based his opinions(which were just another view to offer on the matter) with some solid findings and rumor talk. And his opinion of apple in a whole mirrors exactly what they've done. Sure they've never released 3 phones before? But they hadn't done a lot of things that they ended up doing and the world ended up loving.
    3 iPhones isn't a difficult choice and for those of you keeping your closed minds only in the single sighted path of what you think apple will do because that's what happened last time, open you eyes?

    Apple makes a living off of surprise and doing the unexpected that you would've never even thought of.
    That's the genius and beauty.


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  8. Calebswag7's Avatar
    ... Triple post... Necessary?

    I don't think so.

    Anyway what you're saying is kind of backwards, you want proof that Apple is NOT going to do something this year that they've never done before? The proof is that they've never done it before and their current strategy is becoming more and more successful every year. Add to that the fact that many analysts have predicted multiple new models in the past, and guess what, it has never happened.

    It's kind of like claiming the world is going to end and asking for proof that it ISN'T.. Well hmm, every other prediction of the world ending has been wrong, so I think that's pretty sufficient proof that the world most likely will not be ending upon your predicted date.
    And just to say this is the most ridiculous post I have ever read haha. It's nothing like that claim and just to say also claiming that it won't happened is just as stupid. It's a 50 50 either way because no one knows a single thing. Maybe it hasn't but your already saying they'll release two new models? That's multiple models right their so it's obvious they don't continuously do the same thing year after year.


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  9. david.e.crocker@gmail.com's Avatar
    And just to say this is the most ridiculous post I have ever read haha. It's nothing like that claim and just to say also claiming that it won't happened is just as stupid. It's a 50 50 either way because no one knows a single thing. Maybe it hasn't but your already saying they'll release two new models? That's multiple models right their so it's obvious they don't continuously do the same thing year after year.


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    Thank you.

    This article I just read makes me believe even more that Apple (and Steve Jobs) KNOWS when to make a shift at the right time.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_18775869?nclick_check=1

    Yes, my opinion is that there will be three. I am not Steve Jobs or someone inside Apple that is in the know, but the timing seems right. This makes sense from this perspective.

    To me, the loyalists are afraid of three phones, or so I read. Rejoice in it, because three phones brings LOTS more customers to the table, and that's a GOOD thing for you, Apple, developers, apps, everything.
    08-29-2011 02:31 AM
  10. Calebswag7's Avatar
    Thank you.

    This article I just read makes me believe even more that Apple (and Steve Jobs) KNOWS when to make a shift at the right time.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_18775869?nclick_check=1

    Yes, my opinion is that there will be three. I am not Steve Jobs or someone inside Apple that is in the know, but the timing seems right. This makes sense from this perspective.

    To me, the loyalists are afraid of three phones, or so I read. Rejoice in it, because three phones brings LOTS more customers to the table, and that's a GOOD thing for you, Apple, developers, apps, everything.
    Your link isn't working, but I'm a loyalist definitely but it's just naive and in my opinion shows a lack of understanding of who apple is and how visionary they truly are. Theres no rules of their releases tying them down, there's nothing saying they can't. I think the 3 iPhone release would be the biggest boost in the market they could get, I love the idea. It definitely could not happen of course, but it also could. You can't guess the next move of apple, you can try but all you'll have is rumors. It'd be dumb to say it's not possible. I agree in the big market and benefits it could bring. It's a great thing!


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    08-29-2011 02:48 AM
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    In what world is it "just as ridiculous" to assume that a company will continue with a very successful strategy they've employed for the last 2 years?

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    08-29-2011 07:21 AM
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    There strategy hasn't been releasing one phone at a time? It's been upgrading and releasing a new revolutionary design of their hit product. They're already outside of the "usual" even to you because there's supposed to be at least two. So yes, it is ridiculous to think that the option isn't even considerable. It could happen. Don't close off all the options just because of your narrow minded thinking.


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    08-29-2011 08:56 AM
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    There strategy hasn't been releasing one phone at a time? It's been upgrading and releasing a new revolutionary design of their hit product. They're already outside of the "usual" even to you because there's supposed to be at least two. So yes, it is ridiculous to think that the option isn't even considerable. It could happen. Don't close off all the options just because of your narrow minded thinking.


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    Here's the thing...if you want to approach this logically but still base it on rumor, everything points to 2 phones AT MOST, not three. All the releases, silly little news breaks, insider info, etc etc etc...it all points at a 4S and an iPhone 5.

    If we approach it with your logic, based on the fact that "you can't prove that there WONT be three, so don't close off that possibility!", then we could add really ANYTHING to the pot and still stick with your approach...what if there are 800 different iPhones, and 400 of them are made of solid gold! You can't prove me wrong here...but it's no less absurd.

    Now I'm not saying that the idea of 3 iPhones is that far fetched, but logically speaking, everything points at two iPhones, not three...and saying that, I'm confident there will not be 3 either.
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    08-29-2011 09:17 AM
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    I know he's wise but that doesn't automatically make him right every time.

    Look, I'm just calling it as I see it - and if I were Steve Jobs it would make sense to me. I consider myself a fairly wise individual. So do others.
    Hey, look Mate, you believe anything that makes you happy at the end of the day... I believe, Jeremy.
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    08-29-2011 09:22 AM
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    Here's the thing...if you want to approach this logically but still base it on rumor, everything points to 2 phones AT MOST, not three. All the releases, silly little news breaks, insider info, etc etc etc...it all points at a 4S and an iPhone 5.

    If we approach it with your logic, based on the fact that "you can't prove that there WONT be three, so don't close off that possibility!", then we could add really ANYTHING to the pot and still stick with your approach...what if there are 800 different iPhones, and 400 of them are made of solid gold! You can't prove me wrong here...but it's no less absurd.

    Now I'm not saying that the idea of 3 iPhones is that far fetched, but logically speaking, everything points at two iPhones, not three...and saying that, I'm confident there will not be 3 either.
    yes, this makes more sense.. 2 devices at the most.. I kinda think it will be just the one phone (iphone 5) with gsm/cdma world phone..
    08-29-2011 03:33 PM
  16. Calebswag7's Avatar
    I'm not saying it won't but just simple don't be so closed to say it couldn't. I'm not approaching it as just because it's not proven complete wrong means it could happen, like 800 iPhones. The article raised some valid points and brought some good rumors to where it could be 3. It wasn't absurd and I'm simply stating it's just kind of ridiculous, as some people have said, to say no. It'll only be two. Don't close it off because if you read the article it has just as much logical rumors suggesting three so don't close off the idea and tell the guy he knows nothing. Because that's not the case


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  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    There has been substantially more "proof" (See: Rumors) that reflect 2 instead of 3...
    08-29-2011 09:41 PM
  18. Premium1's Avatar
    Who cares how many they make as long as one is clearly high end and worth upgrading over an i4.
    08-29-2011 09:57 PM
  19. Jellotime91's Avatar
    There strategy hasn't been releasing one phone at a time? It's been upgrading and releasing a new revolutionary design of their hit product. They're already outside of the "usual" even to you because there's supposed to be at least two. So yes, it is ridiculous to think that the option isn't even considerable. It could happen. Don't close off all the options just because of your narrow minded thinking.


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    Their* (not 'there'). I don't mean to insult you, but incorrectly spelled homonyms are an epidemic among the people speaking our language today.

    First of all, you don't know that they're outside of the 'usual'. Everything is rumors and speculation. And even if it is 2 'new' phones, it will really only be one new phone, and one 8GB iPhone 4. It's not going to be a "4S". The "iPhone 4S" will be about as 'new' as the 8GB iPhone 3GS was in 2010. The only other difference will likely be a cheaper manufacturing method, possibly resulting in a slightly altered body. This makes sense because Apple had to get Foxconn to bring in thousands of prototyping machines for the iPhone 4, so if they're going to make the iPhone 4 their new *budget* model, it doesn't make sense to still use such an expensive manufacturing method. Overall though, the $99 device will not be a completely 'new' device, and I can assure you that is a very, very safe bet.

    Secondly, it is definitely not 'just as ridiculous' to assume that Apple will release a new iPhone at $199/$299, and use the previous model at a reduced capacity as the budget $99 model. Why is it not? Well, because that's what they have done for the past 2 years and it has worked very well for them.
    08-29-2011 11:00 PM
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    Their* (not 'there'). I don't mean to insult you, but incorrectly spelled homonyms are an epidemic among the people speaking our language today.

    First of all, you don't know that they're outside of the 'usual'. Everything is rumors and speculation. And even if it is 2 'new' phones, it will really only be one new phone, and one 8GB iPhone 4. It's not going to be a "4S". The "iPhone 4S" will be about as 'new' as the 8GB iPhone 3GS was in 2010. The only other difference will likely be a cheaper manufacturing method, possibly resulting in a slightly altered body. This makes sense because Apple had to get Foxconn to bring in thousands of prototyping machines for the iPhone 4, so if they're going to make the iPhone 4 their new *budget* model, it doesn't make sense to still use such an expensive manufacturing method. Overall though, the $99 device will not be a completely 'new' device, and I can assure you that is a very, very safe bet.

    Secondly, it is definitely not 'just as ridiculous' to assume that Apple will release a new iPhone at $199/$299, and use the previous model at a reduced capacity as the budget $99 model. Why is it not? Well, because that's what they have done for the past 2 years and it has worked very well for them.
    Why not just keep what they have of the i4 and use the 16gb as the budget model? It isn't like they aren't making enough off of the phones as it is. Why go through all of the hassle to manufacture more i4 with less memory.
    08-29-2011 11:06 PM
  21. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Why not just keep what they have of the i4 and use the 16gb as the budget model? It isn't like they aren't making enough off of the phones as it is. Why go through all of the hassle to manufacture more i4 with less memory.
    I've already addressed this. The current manufacturing process for the iPhone 4 is very expensive, and like I said, Apple had to pay Foxconn to bring in thousands of new prototyping machines. I would imagine they are going to re-purpose these machines to produce their new high-end phone, not keep them in use to manufacture their now budget-focused iPhone 4.

    Why not just keep the 3GS 16GB as their budget model last year? In case you've forgotten there never was an 8GB 3GS until the iPhone 4 came out and it was used as the $99 phone. They do this because there needs to be differentiation between the budget device and the $199 device. 16GB is a lot for many people, absolutely enough space for most people. Apple doesn't want everyone to get along perfectly fine with the budget phone, they want people to buy the $199 or $299 device, obviously.
    08-30-2011 12:00 AM
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    I've already addressed this. The current manufacturing process for the iPhone 4 is very expensive, and like I said, Apple had to pay Foxconn to bring in thousands of new prototyping machines. I would imagine they are going to re-purpose these machines to produce their new high-end phone, not keep them in use to manufacture their now budget-focused iPhone 4.

    Why not just keep the 3GS 16GB as their budget model last year? In case you've forgotten there never was an 8GB 3GS until the iPhone 4 came out and it was used as the $99 phone. They do this because there needs to be differentiation between the budget device and the $199 device. 16GB is a lot for many people, absolutely enough space for most people. Apple doesn't want everyone to get along perfectly fine with the budget phone, they want people to buy the $199 or $299 device, obviously.
    Clearly they want everyone buying the new model but not everyone will. the point is why spend all that money just for a lower memory model? Why not just keep using the previous year model. You can get an I4 for under 150 at certain places so it isn't like they can't knock off another 50. But that would defeat apples business model. Probably the same reason only certain things get added.
    08-30-2011 12:05 AM
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    Actually that's not true. There are signs that point to there possibly being two more models but definitely not three. Apple always knows what there going to do next. They most likely knew what the iPhone 5 was going to be when they released the iPhone 4. With all of their products they just one up themselves without releasing everything they possibly can so that they can stay ahead of the game. It just wouldnt make sense for them to release three iPhones at one time...
    IMHO, it makes a lot if sense to release a cheaper low end model and 2 higher end models for those who want it.

    iOS5 will be pretty powerful. The 3G and 3GS probably won't be able to run it properly. A lot of people still use those models and they may or may not be willing to splurge on an upgrade just yet. A low cost model that runs the OS better puts pressure on them to buy.
    08-30-2011 12:14 AM
  24. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Clearly they want everyone buying the new model but not everyone will. the point is why spend all that money just for a lower memory model? Why not just keep using the previous year model. You can get an I4 for under 150 at certain places so it isn't like they can't knock off another 50. But that would defeat apples business model. Probably the same reason only certain things get added.
    Dude... The lower-end model is not meant to be an upgrade to the current high-end. It's meant to be virtually the same thing. The only people who will upgrade to the new low-end model are maybe people who bought a 3GS last year or the year before.
    08-30-2011 12:20 AM
  25. Calebswag7's Avatar
    Their* (not 'there'). I don't mean to insult you, but incorrectly spelled homonyms are an epidemic among the people speaking our language today.

    First of all, you don't know that they're outside of the 'usual'. Everything is rumors and speculation. And even if it is 2 'new' phones, it will really only be one new phone, and one 8GB iPhone 4. It's not going to be a "4S". The "iPhone 4S" will be about as 'new' as the 8GB iPhone 3GS was in 2010. The only other difference will likely be a cheaper manufacturing method, possibly resulting in a slightly altered body. This makes sense because Apple had to get Foxconn to bring in thousands of prototyping machines for the iPhone 4, so if they're going to make the iPhone 4 their new *budget* model, it doesn't make sense to still use such an expensive manufacturing method. Overall though, the $99 device will not be a completely 'new' device, and I can assure you that is a very, very safe bet.

    Secondly, it is definitely not 'just as ridiculous' to assume that Apple will release a new iPhone at $199/$299, and use the previous model at a reduced capacity as the budget $99 model. Why is it not? Well, because that's what they have done for the past 2 years and it has worked very well for them.
    Ok, for one this a forum chat. No ones going to go back and read what they just wrote. I know exactly how to speak and talk. And speaking the homonyms is a lot different. I believe the epidemic your looking for is lack of spelling abilities, which is a big problem.
    And two I didn't say the lower budget model they're releasing is brand new? Of course it won't be. It'll be a slightly altered version of the iPhone 4 probably including both antennas and a different material than glass because they want it an extremely cheap manufacturing cost, like you said. And to the assumption of them releasing only the normal upgrade I also didn't say it's ridiculous to assume that they will, I mentioned it is ridiculous to think that's the only thing that could happen. The article this forums based on raises some very valid rumors and speculations that you should take in mind man. So calm down and take a break and actually read and understand what I wrote next time, because all I'm saying is don't close it off, consider both because it could easily go either way.


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