1. Premium1's Avatar
    [QUOTE=DrewBear;1756528]I didn't say they had no competition. I said they need to worry about making iPhones fast enough to meet demand.

    Just because they don't put out a new phone every 6 months does not mean they are stagnant. The 15 month old (ancient in smartphone years) iPhone 4 is still competitive with the latest & greatest Android phone. (Yes, I know techies will argue the point. But sales numbers don't lie.) iPhone 5 will leapfrog the competition in terms of overall user experience. That's stagnant?

    Where did I say anything about putting out a phone every 6 months? That wasn't the stagnant I was talking about. You said they don't have any competition the only competition they have is meeting demand. Stagnant is how it took them 5 years to fix notifications, things like that is what I was talking about.
    09-12-2011 10:08 AM
  2. Jeremy's Avatar
    Zombie thread... I wonder if Jeremy still thinks there won't be a larger screen after all the rumors over the last 2 months?
    Care you edit your post?

    Apple Sending iOS 5 to iPhone Assemblers at End of September, No Sign of Redesigned iPhone 5 - Mac Rumors

    "seen no evidence of the rumored redesigned "iPhone 5" in the supply chain. Instead, his sources point to the "N94" iPhone that has been popularly referred to as the "iPhone 4S" as the sole new iPhone model set to ship, with Apple planning for 30 million units through the end of the year."

    "3.5-inch display: A number of rumors have claimed that Apple will be using a larger display for the new iPhone, but Kuo's sources indicate the screen will be the same size as that found in the iPhone 4."
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 09-12-2011 at 10:26 AM.
    09-12-2011 10:11 AM
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    [QUOTE=redraider133;1756605]
    I didn't say they had no competition. I said they need to worry about making iPhones fast enough to meet demand.

    Just because they don't put out a new phone every 6 months does not mean they are stagnant. The 15 month old (ancient in smartphone years) iPhone 4 is still competitive with the latest & greatest Android phone. (Yes, I know techies will argue the point. But sales numbers don't lie.) iPhone 5 will leapfrog the competition in terms of overall user experience. That's stagnant?

    Where did I say anything about putting out a phone every 6 months? That wasn't the stagnant I was talking about. You said they don't have any competition the only competition they have is meeting demand. Stagnant is how it took them 5 years to fix notifications, things like that is what I was talking about.

    It may have taken them all that time to "fix" notifications, but that sure as hell didn't stop anyone from buying an iPhone, jailbreaking it, and going about their days with an obviously superior device in the consumers eyes. I used to be a RIM fanatic and an Android junkie but it always seemed that I always ended back here with my iPhone. Both RIM and Google make for great devices/OS, but you can't deny that Apple hit the nail directly on the head when they came out with the iPhone. Are there things that could've been done differently? Of course, but the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, there's a reason that there are over a million iPhone 4 users on T-Mobile..........
    09-12-2011 10:22 AM
  4. Jeremy's Avatar
    And if anyone wants to say wait, why did Apple wait so long if there is no major redesign? I've given you the answer before - Verizon. Apple had to wait due to the launch of the iPhone 4 on Verizon. Take it or leave it.
    09-12-2011 10:31 AM
  5. Premium1's Avatar
    And if anyone wants to say wait, why did Apple wait so long if there is no major redesign? I've given you the answer before - Verizon. Apple had to wait due to the launch of the iPhone 4 on Verizon. Take it or leave it.
    Yeah I dont really buy that. If apple wanted the new iPhone to be out in July in would have. That's a shame if it is keeping the same size and just getting a small boost to internals. Since it most likely wont have LTE.
    09-12-2011 10:40 AM
  6. Jeremy's Avatar
    Yeah I dont really buy that. If apple wanted the new iPhone to be out in July in would have. That's a shame if it is keeping the same size and just getting a small boost to internals. Since it most likely wont have LTE.
    That's the great thing, you can buy it or not but stop and think about it. You really think Apple would have released a new phone 2-3 months after Verizon started selling the 4? Could you imagine the backlash they would get? No chance in hell they were doing that. All I have to say about it.
    09-12-2011 10:45 AM
  7. Premium1's Avatar
    That's the great thing, you can buy it or not but stop and think about it. You really think Apple would have released a new phone 2-3 months after Verizon started selling the 4? Could you imagine the backlash they would get? No chance in hell they were doing that. All I have to say about it.
    Everyone knew it was old and another would be released in the coming months. if it is the same size as the I4 with just a dual core processor and maybe a 8 mp camera I could see most people just sticking with the I'4 since most wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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    09-12-2011 10:50 AM
  8. Jeremy's Avatar
    Everyone knew it was old and another would be released in the coming months. if it is the same size as the I4 with just a dual core processor and maybe a 8 mp camera I could see most people just sticking with the I'4 since most wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
    You are mistaken. "Everyone" meaning people that are in these forums and follow the stuff. Not the average soccer mom in her mini-van knows that. People reading these posts are a minority.
    09-12-2011 10:52 AM
  9. Premium1's Avatar
    You are mistaken. "Everyone" meaning people that are in these forums and follow the stuff. Not the average soccer mom in her mini-van knows that. People reading these posts are a minority.
    So if they look the same the normal people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Changing just the internals only people on these forums would know the difference and buy that when the I4 will be cheaper.
    09-12-2011 12:08 PM
  10. Jeremy's Avatar
    So if they look the same the normal people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Changing just the internals only people on these forums would know the difference and buy that when the I4 will be cheaper.
    Storage differences. No different than the 3G and 3GS... What else you got?

    ***And for the record I wish it is going to be different. And if I had to simply guess my opinion would be it has a bigger screen but I know better. (at least the past few months)
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 09-12-2011 at 12:31 PM.
    09-12-2011 12:29 PM
  11. Premium1's Avatar
    Storage differences. No different than the 3G and 3GS... What else you got?

    ***And for the record I wish it is going to be different. And if I had to simply guess my opinion would be it has a bigger screen but I know better. (at least the past few months)
    Exactly storage differences. Most non tech people look at price and if the new iPhone looks the same as the I4 they will look at price and say why should i pay more when both look the same and to them wouldn't know the difference. Also what about LTE since you seemed pretty confident before about it.
    09-12-2011 12:49 PM
  12. Jeremy's Avatar
    Exactly storage differences. Most non tech people look at price and if the new iPhone looks the same as the I4 they will look at price and say why should i pay more when both look the same and to them wouldn't know the difference. Also what about LTE since you seemed pretty confident before about it.
    That's another thread and that was my personal hope as I stated. In that thread I did away with that hope after looking into it a bit more a while ago. Perhaps everything I've heard is a lie and Apple has some spectacular surprise for everyone, but highly doubt it.
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 09-12-2011 at 12:58 PM.
    09-12-2011 12:55 PM
  13. Eileen89's Avatar
    Not the average soccer mom in her mini-van knows that.
    Hey! I resemble this remark, lol.
    09-12-2011 12:56 PM
  14. Jeremy's Avatar
    Hey! I resemble this remark, lol.
    No offense to anyone out there...
    09-12-2011 12:59 PM
  15. DrewBear's Avatar
    Apple's timeline for iPhone 5 has nothing to do with Verizon and everything to do with iOS 5 and iCloud. Those must be ready to go in any new iOS device.

    I agree that what people in forums define as a "major re-design" is not what the average consumer thinks about. That's why "old" models like the 3GS & 4 are still selling like crazy. Those kind of sales numbers (measured in both units & dollars) imply that the tech forum definition of "stagnant" is also not universally accepted.

    A miniscule minority of consumers wanted FM radio in iPods, cameras in the first iPad and better notifications in iPhones. You can make a list of features the iPhone lacks, but it's really the overall package that the average consumer looks at. Both current iPhones still "win" in getting consumer dollars.

    I keep on repeating that we all have different sets of preferences. Choice is good. Buy what you want. You don't like notifications on "stagnant" iOS? Go buy a WebOS or Android phone. Just recognize that many more people are handing their money to Apple for their "stagnant" phone than any other phone.

    Look at the title of this topic. People are already criticizing Apple for the anticipated shortcomings of iPhone 5. "It doesn't have 4G/LTE, a big screen, NFC, etc." Headlines will read: "Apple is falling farther behind." "What a disappointment." "New iPhone only Incremental upgrade."

    Meanwhile, millions of people around the world will be lining up days in advance to buy the new iPhone. Where were the lines this weekend for the "un-stagnant" Droid Bionic? Were there any lines for the "hot" Galaxy S2? Why does Samsung keep on postponing introducing this hot new phone in the U.S.?

    Personally I can't wait to get my first iPhone and dump my POS Palm Pre Plus with the great notification system. Its one saving grace is that Verizon was so desperate to unload these, they included the Mobile Hotspot feature for no extra fee. I use it to access data on my WiFi iPad and iPod touch.
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    09-12-2011 01:29 PM
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    I know people in Cupertino, but they don't work for Apple. Unlike you, I did not claim I have a knowledgeable source within Apple. My speculations are based on simple logic and commonly available knowledge. At best we are all making educated guesses.

    I'm a relative newbie on this forum. My first post was a few months ago when I questioned your assertion (based on your Apple source) that iPad 3 was scheduled for this year. So much for the value of such sources, eh?
    Drew, if I recall correctly, Apple did say that they were planning on coming out with a new iPad this year. Jeremy did post it here when it became known that Apple couldn't deliver on this due to an issue producing the HD screen.

    We really need the new iPhone to come out already. I think the not knowing part is what is making the wait that much harder for people.
    09-12-2011 03:05 PM
  17. Jeremy's Avatar
    Apple's timeline for iPhone 5 has nothing to do with Verizon and everything to do with iOS 5 and iCloud.
    So then you know people in Cupertino who can tell you this eh?
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 09-12-2011 at 04:12 PM.
    09-12-2011 03:49 PM
  18. Premium1's Avatar
    So then you know people in Cupertino who can tell you this eh?
    Well what he says makes sense. The only reason I could have seen apple delaying it for verizon was if they were adding lte which most likely wont be the case. I think ios5 took more time then they thought and decided to push it back rather than rush it out half baked.
    09-12-2011 04:43 PM
  19. DrewBear's Avatar
    So then you know people in Cupertino who can tell you this eh?
    I know people in Cupertino, but they don't work for Apple. Unlike you, I did not claim I have a knowledgeable source within Apple. My speculations are based on simple logic and commonly available knowledge. At best we are all making educated guesses.

    I'm a relative newbie on this forum. My first post was a few months ago when I questioned your assertion (based on your Apple source) that iPad 3 was scheduled for this year. So much for the value of such sources, eh?
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    09-12-2011 06:42 PM
  20. Jeremy's Avatar
    I know people in Cupertino, but they don't work for Apple. Unlike you, I did not claim I have a knowledgeable source within Apple. My speculations are based on simple logic and commonly available knowledge. At best we are all making educated guesses.

    I'm a relative newbie on this forum. My first post was a few months ago when I questioned your assertion (based on your Apple source) that iPad 3 was scheduled for this year. So much for the value of such sources, eh?
    I never said who I know. And things change sometimes, and I've always stated that. It was supposed to happen and that was the plan at that particular time. FACT. My track record speaks for itself dating back to the original iPad. Where is yours? Oh you don't have one to go along with your 9 posts, my fault.
    09-12-2011 07:27 PM
  21. Premium1's Avatar
    I never said who I know. And things change sometimes, and I've always stated that. It was supposed to happen and that was the plan at that particular time. FACT. My track record speaks for itself dating back to the original iPad. Where is yours? Oh you don't have one to go along with your 9 posts, my fault.
    Ha getting a little defensive because someone called you out? I agree things change but yeah you edited your posts now to reflect that but before you were all about the facts from your "source"
    09-12-2011 07:34 PM
  22. Jeremy's Avatar
    Ha getting a little defensive because someone called you out? I agree things change but yeah you edited your posts now to reflect that but before you were all about the facts from your "source"
    Not defensive at all. Just find it amusing when people who have no idea what they are talking about open their mouths to try and call me out. And nothing was edited to "trick" anyone. As soon as I heard of changes (which was leaked by me by the way) I made adjustments. I come here to share things I hear from first hand knowledge. Now I don't need to post anything and I always say to myself don't do it yet I still do thinking maybe it would help some people out here. But I'll stay away now until after the dust settles. Then when I'm right and the next device is coming I'll simply keep my mouth shut to leave people like you to figure it all out. Sound good?
    09-12-2011 07:41 PM
  23. Premium1's Avatar
    Not defensive at all. Just find it amusing when people who have no idea what they are talking about open their mouths to try and call me out. And nothing was edited to "trick" anyone. As soon as I heard of changes (which was leaked by me by the way) I made adjustments. I come here to share things I hear from first hand knowledge. Now I don't need to post anything and I always say to myself don't do it yet I still do thinking maybe it would help some people out here. But I'll stay away now until after the dust settles. Then when I'm right and the next device is coming I'll simply keep my mouth shut to leave people like you to figure it all out. Sound good?
    Ha that is fine for me. I enjoy the speculation that goes along with releases of new threads. Like you said you tell yourself not to do it yet you still do most likely because you feel special you have a source and can be one of the first to speculate about something.
    09-12-2011 07:50 PM
  24. Jeremy's Avatar
    Ha that is fine for me. I enjoy the speculation that goes along with releases of new threads. Like you said you tell yourself not to do it yet you still do most likely because you feel special you have a source and can be one of the first to speculate about something.
    Wow that's funny. "Special"? I can care less honestly. I come here because I have been here from the very start and I enjoy speaking to *most* of the people here. I'm a geek at heart and would love to have had someone give me solid info to go off of. The last thing I would do is show disrespect to someone who was simply trying to help out but clearly you disagree with that. To each his/her own.

    Now let's get back on topic.
    09-12-2011 07:56 PM
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    Wow that's funny. "Special"? I can care less honestly. I come here because I have been here from the very start and I enjoy speaking to *most* of the people here. I'm a geek at heart and would love to have had someone give me solid info to go off of. The last thing I would do is show disrespect to someone who was simply trying to help out but clearly you disagree with that. To each his/her own.

    Now let's get back on topic.
    But if there is always someone spoiling the fun it loses some of its appeal when you see it if you know whats coming. Its like seeing a christmas present a month before and already knowing what you will be getting lol. The suspense is always a good thing for marketing.
    09-12-2011 08:04 PM
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