1. abadgti's Avatar
    I didn't have any issues installing beta 1 but when I try to install beta 2 I get the message: "An unknown error occurred (3194)". Can anyone help me out
    06-29-2011 07:57 PM
  2. UGAstorm's Avatar
    What operating system are you using Windows or MAC? Also, are you using iTunes Beta 2?
    Last edited by Tier 1; 06-29-2011 at 08:48 PM.
    06-29-2011 08:45 PM
  3. bankz's Avatar
    i get the same error wit ios 5 cdma version!
    06-29-2011 09:18 PM
  4. UGAstorm's Avatar
    are you using iTunes Beta 2?
    06-29-2011 09:22 PM
  5. abadgti's Avatar
    Yes im using iTunes 10.5 Beta 2 on Windows 7
    06-29-2011 10:04 PM
  6. UGAstorm's Avatar
    what is the file size of the iOS 5 beta 2 .ipsw you are using?
    06-29-2011 10:05 PM
  7. BLiNK's Avatar
    what is the file size of the iOS 5 beta 2 .ipsw you are using?
    this, and you may need to edit your host file
    06-29-2011 10:07 PM
  8. abadgti's Avatar
    this, and you may need to edit your host file
    830MB and how do I go about editing my host file?
    06-29-2011 10:20 PM
  9. ghostface147's Avatar
    Honestly, if you aren't technical enough to edit a hosts file........you shouldn't touch beta software.
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    06-29-2011 10:36 PM
  10. Guacho's Avatar
    Honestly, if you aren't technical enough to edit a hosts file........you shouldn't touch beta software.
    ohh come on guys!!!... stop that !! It's a damn phone and a software, I dont know what the big deal is about regular people trying beta, I know Apple says it's only for developers, but they also say jailbreaking is bad for your phone, it makes it slow and it voids your warranty and this website pretty much encourages people to do it, I really dont see the difference...
    Yes, it could brick the phone but a little "do it at you own risk " disclaimer would do it ( again , same as jailbreaking ), it's someone trying to install a beta software guys, not performing an open heart surgery on a 8 year old boy..
    Relax and let's help him out
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    06-30-2011 01:18 PM
  11. Fausty82's Avatar
    ohh come on guys!!!... stop that !! It's a damn phone and a software, I dont know what the big deal is about regular people trying beta, I know Apple says it's only for developers, but they also say jailbreaking is bad for your phone, it makes it slow and it voids your warranty and this website pretty much encourages people to do it, I really dont see the difference...
    Yes, it could brick the phone but a little "do it at you own risk " disclaimer would do it ( again , same as jailbreaking ), it's someone trying to install a beta software guys, not performing an open heart surgery on a 8 year old boy..
    Relax and let's help him out
    It's not a matter of whether or not they can install the beta... it's more a matter of who's going to hold their hands and nurse them along when (1) they hose something up royally or (2) the beta is a total hunk of crapware - it does happen sometimes.

    Just because they can doesn't mean they should. And as has been pointed out, if they can't perform simple tasks (like editing the host file) without step by step instructions, what makes you or them think they would be able to handle the really tricky stuff?

    Those who say "you shouldn't do it" aren't being exclusive... it's more a matter of protecting the n00bs from themselves.

    And from a legal standpoint, Apple has said that it's for developers only who have agreed to the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA)... so technically, we should not even be having this discussion.

    *smh*
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    06-30-2011 01:47 PM
  12. Guacho's Avatar
    It's not a matter of whether or not they can install the beta... it's more a matter of who's going to hold their hands and nurse them along when (1) they hose something up royally or (2) the beta is a total hunk of crapware - it does happen sometimes.

    Just because they can doesn't mean they should. And as has been pointed out, if they can't perform simple tasks (like editing the host file) without step by step instructions, what makes you or them think they would be able to handle the really tricky stuff?

    Those who say "you shouldn't do it" aren't being exclusive... it's more a matter of protecting the n00bs from themselves.

    And from a legal standpoint, Apple has said that it's for developers only who have agreed to the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA)... so technically, we should not even be having this discussion.

    *smh*
    I got what you're saying but remember many people who jailbreaks have no idea how to edit a host file either, but we all find detail guides and "how to" all over the internet ( and tipb as well )... and quite the opposite with betas, i really dont see the difference between these two.
    I just don understand why so many guys bere get so defensive about regular people asking stuff about betas..
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    06-30-2011 02:48 PM
  13. Guacho's Avatar
    I got what you're saying but remember many people who jailbreaks have no idea how to edit a host file either, but we all find detail guides and "how to" all over the internet ( and tipb as well )... and quite the opposite with betas, i really dont see the difference between these two.
    I just don understand why so many guys bere get so defensive about regular people asking stuff about betas..

    If they realized the beta is a total hunk of crapware it is very simple to go back to 4.3.3 , again same as jailbreak... there is always workarounds, but dont ask here because you'll get decapitaded by the forums.
    06-30-2011 02:53 PM
  14. Fausty82's Avatar
    I got what you're saying but remember many people who jailbreaks have no idea how to edit a host file either, but we all find detail guides and "how to" all over the internet ( and tipb as well )... and quite the opposite with betas, i really dont see the difference between these two.
    I just don understand why so many guys bere get so defensive about regular people asking stuff about betas..
    First and foremost, because anyone who uses a beta is supposed to be under an NDA. The beta iOS and supporting software was released to developers who signed the NDA when they signed up for the developer account.

    And no one is defensive about anything... but if you have to have your hand held through the process, you should not be doing it ... in my opinion. What's so hard about that to get your head around?
    06-30-2011 03:19 PM
  15. jsntrenkler's Avatar
    I agree with Hank. Don't mess with it if you don't know what you are doing.
    06-30-2011 03:26 PM
  16. Rusty Shackelford#IM's Avatar
    +1 to Hank. There is a reason apple does not release public betas. They are and have always been intended for developers to work out the bugs, not to get an "early preview" of the new OS.
    06-30-2011 04:11 PM
  17. Guacho's Avatar
    First and foremost, because anyone who uses a beta is supposed to be under an NDA. The beta iOS and supporting software was released to developers who signed the NDA when they signed up for the developer account.

    And no one is defensive about anything... but if you have to have your hand held through the process, you should not be doing it ... in my opinion. What's so hard about that to get your head around?
    Mmm you just proved my point after reading the second paragraph.
    And i disagree, I'm a big guy... not a developer but know my way around installing betas, jailbreaking and going back to an old ios if i have too.

    Just because Apple says it's only for developera does not mean I shouldn't install it, so they say jailbreaking is prohibited under the terms of use, it might brick your cellphone and make it buggy as hell... just relax man!!!!
    06-30-2011 04:22 PM
  18. Guacho's Avatar
    I agree with Hank. Don't mess with it if you don't know what you are doing.
    I agree installing betas isn't for everyone, i just think the attitude about this should be " hey i hope you know what you're getting yourself into and do it at your own risk but this is how to change a host file" instead of " hey screw you, you should not be getting this betas because apple says so.."
    06-30-2011 04:48 PM
  19. ghostface147's Avatar
    ohh come on guys!!!... stop that !! It's a damn phone and a software, I dont know what the big deal is about regular people trying beta, I know Apple says it's only for developers, but they also say jailbreaking is bad for your phone, it makes it slow and it voids your warranty and this website pretty much encourages people to do it, I really dont see the difference...
    I do. I don't mind "regulars" trying out the beta, but if someone has to be babysat on each step to make things work, that tells me they shouldn't be running beta software. With jailbreaking, you usually just double click and run with minimal intervention. Not with beta software, especially if it goes wrong.

    I stand by my original statement. If you don't know what a hosts file is, stay away from beta software.
    06-30-2011 05:19 PM
  20. Rusty Shackelford#IM's Avatar
    I do. I don't mind "regulars" trying out the beta, but if someone has to be babysat on each step to make things work, that tells me they shouldn't be running beta software. With jailbreaking, you usually just double click and run with minimal intervention. Not with beta software, especially if it goes wrong.

    I stand by my original statement. If you don't know what a hosts file is, stay away from beta software.
    +1. It's like a person trying to fly a plane because they have a drivers license and then asking mid flight how to land the plane because they simply don't know how.

    Part of being a developer is having access to resources regarding the beta that the public does not, from educational videos, to development tools, to release notes. The developers pay for these resources. As stated previously, developers also sign nda's. Those developers that are distributing beta software for a profit should be reported. The purpose of registering with the provisioning service is for developers to test their app on multiple devices against new software, not for a sneak peek.

    Argue all you want, but the fact will remain that beta's are not intended for the general public.
    Last edited by Rusty Shackelford; 06-30-2011 at 06:11 PM.
    06-30-2011 05:59 PM
  21. Guacho's Avatar
    I do. I don't mind "regulars" trying out the beta, but if someone has to be babysat on each step to make things work, that tells me they shouldn't be running beta software. With jailbreaking, you usually just double click and run with minimal intervention. Not with beta software, especially if it goes wrong.

    I stand by my original statement. If you don't know what a hosts file is, stay away from beta software.
    Dont know if you're familiar with the latest jailbreaks but they are not intuitive and easy as it was before, download the jailbreak plus the ios, put the phone in dfu mode, save the shsh, tether jailbreak.. Its a pain in the azz, not as easy as a one click.
    It's kind of a double standard to me since we have Ally Kazmucha providing excellent posts pretty much " babysitting" people into jailbreaking, reviewing apps like myfy or mywi ( whatever they are called ) that violates the contract with at&t and we have dedicated forums about jailbreaking even helping people with bricked iphones.
    Not six months ago Apple was going to the federal goverment saying jailbreaking violates their copyright and it clearly violates their AUP but hey!!! Who am I to tell you this!!! Head on to the jailbreak community and we'll babysit and help you out.... but dont come to the ios5 forum for help or you'll be kicked out.

    Hope you see my point..
    06-30-2011 06:15 PM
  22. Rusty Shackelford#IM's Avatar
    Dont know if you're familiar with the latest jailbreaks but they are not intuitive and easy as it was before, download the jailbreak plus the ios, put the phone in dfu mode, save the shsh, tether jailbreak.. Its a pain in the azz, not as easy as a one click.
    It's kind of a double standard to me since we have Ally Kazmucha providing excellent posts pretty much " babysitting" people into jailbreaking, reviewing apps like myfy or mywi ( whatever they are called ) that violates the contract with at&t and we have dedicated forums about jailbreaking even helping people with bricked iphone.
    Not six months ago Apple was going to the federal goverment saying jailbreaking violates their copyright and it clearly violates their AUP but hey!!! Who am I to tell you this!!! Head on to the jailbreak community and we'll babysit and help you out....

    Hope you see my point..
    I for one don't think the jailbreak community properly applies. I have spent many hours in the jailbreak forums and it is an entirely different argument. There is no jailbreak development program and no fees, nda's or any other legally binding attachments to it, nor is there a wealth of info other than what is posted to the forums.

    That being said, it is equally irritating when people post basic questions in the jailbreak forums without doing their due diligence and reading a bit before posting.
    06-30-2011 06:30 PM
  23. Guacho's Avatar
    +1. It's like a person trying to fly a plane because they have a drivers license and then asking mid flight how to land the plane because they simply don't know how.

    Part of being a developer is having access to resources regarding the beta that the public does not, from educational videos, to development tools, to release notes. The developers pay for these resources. As stated previously, developers also sign nda's. Those developers that are distributing beta software for a profit should be reported. The purpose of registering with the provisioning service is for developers to test their app on multiple devices against new software, not for a sneak peek.

    Argue all you want, but the fact will remain that beta's are not intended for the general public.
    That airplane analogy .... seriously?
    06-30-2011 06:35 PM
  24. Guacho's Avatar
    I for one don't think the jailbreak community properly applies. I have spent many hours in the jailbreak forums and it is an entirely different argument. There is no jailbreak development program and no fees, nda's or any other legally binding attachments to it, nor is there a wealth of info other than what is posted to the forums.

    That being said, it is equally irritating when people post basic questions in the jailbreak forums without doing their due diligence and reading a bit before posting.
    Agree on people irritating you with basic questions.
    It is still against Apple's terms to jailbreak and it could be as hard to do as installing beta software, and there is development in jailbreaking, what are you talking about ... hundreds of guys out there developing for the jailbreak community and many of us testing their apps..
    No way around it dude.... Betas are NOT intended for non developers but I stand by my jailbreak argument... Because that's what everybody replied to me " Apple does not want non developers using beta" and neither people to jailbreak and we still support it..
    06-30-2011 06:45 PM
  25. Fausty82's Avatar
    My final word on the subject is as follows:

    The courts have upheld my right as an iPhone owner to perform a jailbreak process and run software not authorized or blessed by Apple. Apple doesn't like it, but the courts have ruled. Caveat emptor. My phone, public domain software, my risk.

    Apple has released the beta versions of their software to a restricted, closed community of developers who have signed legally binding NDAs... an act which they are violating by sharing the software and/or even discussing it in a public forum. Were Apple to have to notion to pursue those violators, the courts would most assuredly side with Apple against the developers. Your phone, copyright protected, early release, NDA protected private software, your risk.

    Either way, if you need help with figuring something out, ask and see if you can get some help. If you don't understand the basics of any of it and need to be hand held through the process, you should not be doing it. I do agree with you that there is little difference between the mechanics of the JB process and the beta software... but we disagree in that if you don't know what you're doing, go away... Mommy can't help you, and, frankly, you're in over your head in that case.

    And to me, the main difference is the legality of it all: JB is legal. Gaining access to and installing illegal/unauthorized, pre-release copyrighted software is NOT. No way around that, no matter how you try.

    Hank, out.
    Last edited by Fausty82; 06-30-2011 at 07:08 PM.
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