1. Rusty Shackelford#IM's Avatar
    Agree on people irritating you with basic questions.
    It is still against Apple's terms to jailbreak and it could be as hard to do as installing beta software, and there is development in jailbreaking, what are you talking about ... hundreds of guys out there developing for the jailbreak community and many of us testing their apps..
    No way around it dude.... Betas are NOT intended for non developers but I stand by my jailbreak argument... Because that's what everybody replied to me " Apple does not want non developers using beta" and neither people to jailbreak and we still support it..
    Though I don"t particularly disagree on any specific point, my comments are more intended to express the reason developers may at times may sound hostile. My argument is not that yours is not a valid one, simply this may not be the best venue to voice it as the bulk of posters in this area are going to be developers collaborating on their findings.

    It can get difficult to be productive when there is a slue of people who have no business meddling in things they are not qualified to meddle in and expecting those that have acquired the knowledge to jump on the babysitting wagon.

    I have the same feeling about those wishing to jailbreak. If you want to jump in, great. There are plenty of resources in the forums to bring you up to speed, but if you have not done your homework, be prepared for the fire. As for jailbreaking, apple may not condone it, but it is not illegal. A developer infringing on an NDA on the other hand is very much so. That is why I believe the jailbreak is akin to comparing two different fruits (apples to oranges) instead of comparing apples to apples. Though there are similarities and I do get where you're coming from, I doubt the argument will hold water with most of the frequent fliers of the OS5 beta forum.

    This is where I leave the thread. This is Rusty Shackelford.....signing off.
    Last edited by Rusty Shackelford; 06-30-2011 at 07:07 PM.
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    06-30-2011 07:04 PM
  2. Guacho's Avatar
    My final word on the subject is as follows:

    The courts have upheld my right as an iPhone owner to perform a jailbreak process and run software not authorized or blessed by Apple. Apple doesn't like it, but the courts have ruled. Caveat emptor. My phone, public domain software, my risk.

    Apple has released the beta versions of their software to a restricted, closed community of developers who have signed legally binding NDAs... an act which they are violating by sharing the software and/or even discussing it in a public forum. Were Apple to have to notion to pursue those violators, the courts would most assuredly side with Apple against the developers. Your phone, copyright protected, early release, NDA protected private software, your risk.

    Either way, if you need help with figuring out one piece, ask and see if you can get some help. If you don't understand the basics of any of it and need to be hand held through the process, you should not be doing it. I do agree with you that there is little difference between the mechanics of the JB process and the beta software... but we disagree in that if you don't know what you're doing, go away... Mommy can't help you, and, frankly, you're in over your head in that case.

    And to me, the main difference is the legality of it all: JB is legal. Gaining access to and installing illegal/unauthorized, pre-release copyrighted software is NOT. No way around that, no matter how you try.

    Hank, out.
    The legality about JB wasn't decided not too long ago and things before were not different than today, it is still something hated by Apple and we all are aware of it, i make that argument because all i heard here was Apple doesn't want you on their beta, it's still a double standard to me but at the end you wraped it up pretty well , its my cellphone, my risk, my problem.
    I was focusing on Apple's rules regarding jailbreaking and beta software, not federal or state laws, JB it' still very wrong and they made it pretty clear in their terms of use.
    Last edited by Guacho; 06-30-2011 at 07:18 PM.
    06-30-2011 07:13 PM
  3. Guacho's Avatar
    Though I don"t particularly disagree on any specific point, my comments are more intended to express the reason developers may at times may sound hostile. My argument is not that yours is not a valid one, simply this may not be the best venue to voice it as the bulk of posters in this area are going to be developers collaborating on their findings.

    It can get difficult to be productive when there is a slue of people who have no business meddling in things they are not qualified to meddle in and expecting those that have acquired the knowledge to jump on the babysitting wagon.

    I have the same feeling about those wishing to jailbreak. If you want to jump in, great. There are plenty of resources in the forums to bring you up to speed, but if you have not done your homework, be prepared for the fire. As for jailbreaking, apple may not condone it, but it is not illegal. A developer infringing on an NDA on the other hand is very much so. That is why I believe the jailbreak is akin to comparing two different fruits (apples to oranges) instead of comparing apples to apples. Though there are similarities and I do get where you're coming from, I doubt the argument will hold water with most of the frequent fliers of the OS5 beta forum.

    This is where I leave the thread. This is Rusty Shackelford.....signing off.
    Wow very well said dude!!! I know I'm not at the best place to argue this, it's a lost battle.. =)
    06-30-2011 07:26 PM
  4. BLiNK's Avatar
    i do not remember this much drama with 4.0
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    06-30-2011 10:47 PM
  5. abadgti's Avatar
    I installed beta 1 without changing my host files. Could something have changed? Thanks for everyones help so far.
    Last edited by abadgti; 07-01-2011 at 08:52 AM.
    07-01-2011 08:50 AM
  6. y8friv's Avatar
    I think you should use beta 1. I used beta 1 and I like it
    Last edited by y8friv; 07-01-2011 at 12:55 PM.
    07-01-2011 12:03 PM
  7. Snowleopards's Avatar
    I think you should use beta 1. I used beta 1 and I like it
    U must update to beta 2. Apple doesn't support beta 1 long time.
    07-03-2011 11:04 PM
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