1. jburke82's Avatar
    Replace turn-by-turn navigation with MMS in your post and you sound exactly like ten thousand other posts from 2007. Get over it; if it's that import get an app that does it or buy Android.

    At least your phone will still work. Two years ago iOS 4 made most people's iPhone 3G completely unusable. You will just not have a feature or two.
    Really buddy? You had to waste your time looking through a post you already knew you were going shoot down and then actually respond to it? If you don't agree, either add something to the conversation or just keep your mouth shut. God forbid someone doesn't agree with something that apple does! And maybe read through the posts before you comment...you'd see that your little jab is a bit off.

    I love people like you...die hard apple fans that ***** and moan when someone questions the littlest thing about the company or the products. Same answer for everything..."get over it or get a different phone". You're just like the Catholic church...someone questions anything, and they are told "because that's how it is". For how much money I spend with Apple, their apps, their products, etc., I would think these "features or two" that are so small should be offered to us.
    06-14-2012 11:22 AM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    Really buddy? You had to waste your time looking through a post you already knew you were going shoot down and then actually respond to it? If you don't agree, either add something to the conversation or just keep your mouth shut. God forbid someone doesn't agree with something that apple does! And maybe read through the posts before you comment...you'd see that your little jab is a bit off.

    I love people like you...die hard apple fans that ***** and moan when someone questions the littlest thing about the company or the products. Same answer for everything..."get over it or get a different phone". You're just like the Catholic church...someone questions anything, and they are told "because that's how it is". For how much money I spend with Apple, their apps, their products, etc., I would think these "features or two" that are so small should be offered to us.
    Wow... this from the guy that told me to chill-ax up the thread. smh.
    06-14-2012 11:25 AM
  3. jburke82's Avatar
    Wow... this from the guy that told me to chill-ax up the thread. smh.
    You're right, actually. My appologies. Well played sir.

    In my defense...I would NEVER say chill-ax! Haha.
    06-14-2012 11:54 AM
  4. Fausty82's Avatar
    This should go to the "things you hate" thread... you know, you have a good little discussion going and then some people have to come along an pee in the punchbowl.

    How about we stop the bickering and personal attacks and just discuss the topic at hand? Why does everything have to turn personal?
    06-14-2012 11:57 AM
  5. jburke82's Avatar
    This should go to the "things you hate" thread... you know, you have a good little discussion going and then some people have to come along an pee in the punchbowl.

    How about we stop the bickering and personal attacks and just discuss the topic at hand? Why does everything have to turn personal?
    Totally agree, and while maybe I shouldn't have responded to the last dude, it is frustrating trying to start a topic debate and have people shoot in with dumb little comments. I mean, if I paid for something (and constantly pay monthly and per app for it), then why shouldn't I be annoyed if I get left out?

    The whole point of this post was to discuss this...hear people's different takes. And many have been good; I have heard arguments for both sides that hold water. But to hop on and tell people to stop complaining and get a different phone...? Really?

    kch50428 made a comment, I said something back and it's done! I hear what he is saying, but his comment wasn't that bad....annoying at the time, yes...but I like to think he and I are not gong to verbally bash each other every time we come across each other on this site! (Correct me if I am wrong, so I can get my defense ready...!!)
    06-14-2012 12:10 PM
  6. jclisenby's Avatar
    Apple introduces new features based upon the 2 year carrier renewal model. As long as you follow that and upgrade to the latest every renewal, you'll never be left out. When the new iPhone debuts, the 4 will be over 2 years old and need renewal.

    The only reason I see for Apple keeping iOS6 for the 3Gs and 4 is to transition those to prepaid models, like we have seen announced recently.
    06-14-2012 12:13 PM
  7. kch50428's Avatar
    kch50428 made a comment, I said something back and it's done! I hear what he is saying, but his comment wasn't that bad....annoying at the time, yes...but I like to think he and I are not gong to verbally bash each other every time we come across each other on this site! (Correct me if I am wrong, so I can get my defense ready...!!)
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    06-14-2012 12:16 PM
  8. jburke82's Avatar
    Apple introduces new features based upon the 2 year carrier renewal model. As long as you follow that and upgrade to the latest every renewal, you'll never be left out. When the new iPhone debuts, the 4 will be over 2 years old and need renewal.

    The only reason I see for Apple keeping iOS6 for the 3Gs and 4 is to transition those to prepaid models, like we have seen announced recently.
    I get what you're saying, and I know that apple feels the same way...but I totally disagree. Only certain people "need" to renew their phone every year, but not everyone.
    06-14-2012 12:20 PM
  9. jburke82's Avatar
    Aparently, whatever pic you put up is blocked on my work system, so I can not see it. And I don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing....
    06-14-2012 12:21 PM
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    06-14-2012 12:39 PM
  11. OrionAntares#CB's Avatar
    Probably because apple still sells 3GS but doesn't sell iPad 1 anymore.
    Refurbished iPad with Wi-Fi + 3G 16GB - Black - AT&T (first generation) - Apple Store (U.S.)
    06-14-2012 12:48 PM
  12. Jeremy's Avatar
    There is a huge difference in what we see has happened to Android and what is going on with Apple. Older devices getting left behind is just a fact of life that people need to get over. (no offense to anyone here but it's true) Now the general consumer doesn't care, just look at Android and the tons of people who have an older device that is stuck a few versions behind. Do they complain or even care? Nope, they are totally clueless and their phone works just fine. It's no different with Apple. Granted if hardware for iOS was being made outside of Apple then yes, we'd see it just as bad as Android. Now if you are one of those people who do care, then you'll upgrade. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just how it works folks, plain and simple. Fact of the matter is Apple spoiled you from the very beginning upgrading older devices but I knew it wouldn't last nor did I care as I upgrade every year.
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    06-14-2012 12:51 PM
  13. jburke82's Avatar
    There is a huge difference in what we see has happened to Android and what is going on with Apple. Older devices getting left behind is just a fact of life that people need to get over. (no offense to anyone here but it's true) Now the general consumer doesn't care, just look at Android and the tons of people who have an older device that is stuck a few versions behind. Do they complain or even care? Nope, they are totally clueless and their phone works just fine. It's no different with Apple. Granted if hardware for iOS was being made outside of Apple then yes, we'd see it just as bad as Android. Now if you are one of those people who do care, then you'll upgrade. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just how it works folks, plain and simple. Fact of the matter is Apple spoiled you from the very beginning upgrading older devices but I knew it wouldn't last nor did I care as I upgrade every year.
    Jeremy, out of curiosity (I've actually always wondered this, but never asked)...how do you upgrade every year? Do you buy the device at the market price? From my experiences with AT&T, they aren't willing to push upgrades early.
    06-14-2012 01:04 PM
  14. Fausty82's Avatar
    Jeremy, out of curiosity (I've actually always wondered this, but never asked)...how do you upgrade every year? Do you buy the device at the market price? From my experiences with AT&T, they aren't willing to push upgrades early.
    I can't speak for Jeremy, but I am the primary account on a 5-line family plan... spending > $250/month... AT&T gives the primary line an annual upgrade... plus, with 5 lines, we play the "upgrade shuffle". Since I'm the Dad and I pay the bills, I invoke the "Golden Rule" - the one with the gold (me) makes the rules... and we hand the phones down the line... My wife gets a new phone every 2 years (unless she wants/needs a new one more often) and we usually have at least one upgrade available at all time, plus my annual upgrade as the primary.
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    06-14-2012 01:08 PM
  15. Jeremy's Avatar
    Jeremy, out of curiosity (I've actually always wondered this, but never asked)...how do you upgrade every year? Do you buy the device at the market price? From my experiences with AT&T, they aren't willing to push upgrades early.
    AT&T always gives me the upgrade price each year. Not sure if it has to do with the fact that I've been doing it since the first iPhone or what or that I've been that lucky.
    06-14-2012 01:09 PM
  16. jburke82's Avatar
    AT&T always gives me the upgrade price each year. Not sure if it has to do with the fact that I've been doing it since the first iPhone or what or that I've been that lucky.
    Well I am jealous! I've been with them for years and I still have to fight tooth and nail to get anything!
    06-14-2012 01:13 PM
  17. jburke82's Avatar
    I can't speak for Jeremy, but I am the primary account on a 5-line family plan... spending > $250/month... AT&T gives the primary line an annual upgrade... plus, with 5 lines, we play the "upgrade shuffle". Since I'm the Dad and I pay the bills, I invoke the "Golden Rule" - the one with the gold (me) makes the rules... and we hand the phones down the line... My wife gets a new phone every 2 years (unless she wants/needs a new one more often) and we usually have at least one upgrade available at all time, plus my annual upgrade as the primary.
    Love the "golden rule"
    06-14-2012 01:13 PM
  18. Fraydog's Avatar
    I thought AT&T went away from the yearly upgrade model. A key reason to sell the iP4 and go to the 5 is LTE. 3G networks on the whole are overloaded, especially on Verizon and AT&T. If LTE is an option for you I say take it, even if it means you have to leave AT&T to switch. Verizon will have a nationwide LTE network by June 2013. I know people still on EDGE that are going to be living in areas that will have Verizon LTE. Why stay with AT&T in that case, it's crazy.
    Last edited by ipaladin; 06-14-2012 at 06:29 PM.
    06-14-2012 06:26 PM
  19. T-Will's Avatar
    So my girlfriend came over to the iphone from android a month or so ago (after a lot of convincing), and loves the phone.
    Are you still within the period to return the iPhone 4 and pick up the 4S? She should have just gotten the 4S; it doesn't cost that much more in the big scheme of things.
    06-14-2012 06:32 PM
  20. jburke82's Avatar
    Are you still within the period to return the iPhone 4 and pick up the 4S? She should have just gotten the 4S; it doesn't cost that much more in the big scheme of things.
    Yea I told her that when we got her the phone, but for what she uses it for it just wasn't worth paying the extra 100. She loves the phone...that's all that counts! Haha.
    06-14-2012 09:12 PM
  21. billybaldin's Avatar
    Why did she buy an iPhone 4 and not a 4s? I say she screwed herself on that one.
    06-19-2012 04:24 AM
  22. Fausty82's Avatar
    Why did she buy an iPhone 4 and not a 4s? I say she screwed herself on that one.
    It was probably a financial choice. Not everyone can pop for $200 (or more) iPhone ... and coming from the Android world, she was probably used to cheaper prices. Many decent Android devices can be had for the $99 price of the iPhone 4...

    But buying older technology will always cost you something, somewhere down the line.
    06-19-2012 06:16 AM
  23. jlamb0's Avatar
    Probably because apple still sells 3GS but doesn't sell iPad 1 anymore.
    This occurred to me too. I strongly suspect this is the case.
    08-24-2012 11:09 AM
  24. sting7k's Avatar
    So my girlfriend came over to the iphone from android a month or so ago (after a lot of convincing), and loves the phone. The only thing she thought was dumb was that the iPhone didn't offer free turn-by-turn GPS (we use MapQuest). After reading about the new features in iOS 6, I ran to her to tell her the good news.....turn-by-turn is coming.

    Then today, I see that the iPhone 4 is not getting this feature, and a few others. I am not too happy with this. Crappy, bottom of the barrel Android phones do turn-by-turn, voice to text, etc, well. The iPhone 4 is much more powerful than many of those, and we can't get it without jailbreaking.

    I edited this post to not seem as whinny or angry. These aren't huge issues for me personally, but still are somewhat frustrating.
    Screwed was 2 years ago when iOS 4 turned some people's iPhone 3G into a paper weight. At least your iPhone 4 will likely still function but with a few less features than the newest models. Digging up old threads, classic.
    Last edited by sting7k; 08-24-2012 at 12:38 PM.
    08-24-2012 12:33 PM
  25. mud314's Avatar
    So my girlfriend came over to the iphone from android a month or so ago (after a lot of convincing), and loves the phone. The only thing she thought was dumb was that the iPhone didn't offer free turn-by-turn GPS (we use MapQuest). After reading about the new features in iOS 6, I ran to her to tell her the good news.....turn-by-turn is coming.

    Then today, I see that the iPhone 4 is not getting this feature, and a few others. I am not too happy with this. Crappy, bottom of the barrel Android phones do turn-by-turn, voice to text, etc, well. The iPhone 4 is much more powerful than many of those, and we can't get it without jailbreaking.

    I edited this post to not seem as whinny or angry. These aren't huge issues for me personally, but still are somewhat frustrating.
    I fully agree with you on this, my ancient old Original Droid from VZ with a paltry 800Mhz processor and pathetic RAM could do: turn by turn navigation while playing music and still doing whatever it is that Androids do in the background. Without issue.

    The customer experience will not be affected if those of us using the iPhone 4 were to be granted those updates. What is affected is the bottom line for apple and its investors. Only a true fanboy would buy into the "it cannot support it without crippling the phone" BS.

    I am enjoying my iPhone and in the long term it doesn't matter to me, since I am a gadget fan, all gadgets, not just apple or name your poison here. I just think it's lame of them to do this.

    In the end, we are still better off than most Android users, where their updates, if they get it, typically run a year behind. Look at the Samsung Galaxy Nexus on the CDMA networks, they are still waiting for JB, while all the other version are enjoying JB. There is even rumors that the S3 will have JB well before the Nexus on the CDMA networks.

    While a lot of are willing to jailbreak or root our devices not everyone wants to go down that route. I think I will be sticking to iphone regardless, Android just has way too much bloatware and the idea of having to root, just to get the current update, really is not something I am interested in.
    08-24-2012 01:21 PM
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