1. MustangLife's Avatar
    Now I've been a happy Apple owner of Iphone and Ipod for years now. Ipod before I got my 1st Iphone in 2008. Seems with whats available or been available there getting behind.

    Now Iphone 4 528 ram, 1ghz processor is good but not best. All the major manufacturers will have thrown out 4g capable phones and dual core processors or 1.2 ghz processors and 1ghz ram before Apple gets to that point.

    Yes Apples screen resolution rocks and so does its ease of use. But Apple is basically on a 4 year old phone with a supercharger. In simplest terms. The Iphone4 is basically a 2007 iphone with nitrous or a supercharger added to an original engine to kinda give an analogy.

    Another thing. For some reason Apple hasn't gotten to a 4inch or a 4.3inch phone yet. This is what the world wants. Yes some people will say there little 3.5 screen is perfect. But not for most people. Or Motorola, HTC, etc wouldn't be pumping a million of these 4.3 droid phones all over the place, lol.

    The public has basically wanted a ui overhaul and a bigger screen.

    Apple does slaughter the manufacturers in sales yes but they can be so much better. If motorola can kinda come back from the dead and make 50 pretty cool phones. Apple can make 1 or 2 or even 3 to for size reasons. But not even that. Get with the times and not live in 2008 and make a 4 to 4.3 screen phone with a new ui and a dual core processor, 1 ghz ram or whatever is the current technology and not wait til every manufacturer has been there and done that and working on the newer faster routes.

    Because everyone knows the Iphone 5 will be a 1ghz dual-core, 1ghz ram and maybe improved graphics not sure. But this will be a close to a year old technology by the time that comes.

    So anybody else with me on this. I don't mean our frustrations of being nazi like. But to use the technology at hand to make the best phone they are capable of. Not the best phone they can get by with.

    I like that quote
    03-16-2011 12:06 AM
  2. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    Specs are important, but shouldn't be at the top of the list. I think where Apple is now, they're at the sweet spot in terms of hardware capabilities, software, and user experience. There was a blog post here the other day about Apple being able to sell the experience, as opposed to getting into a spec war with the iPad2. They're much the same way with their other products. The sweet spot moves as technology improves, but they always seem to move with it. Are they behind the curve? Nope. I'd say Apple is setting the bar.

    Android these days seem to be all about specs and beating the iPhone hardware wise. They are technological showcases and appeal to the inner geek in all of us. But at the same time, most of my friends with Android phones always have their phones plugged in because their batteries do not make it through the day. Not a trade off I'd make.

    Of course, there's my beloved Blackberry, who seems to take things to the extreme the other way. Best communication experience bar none, endless battery life, but little else, all on 2 year old hardware.

    If you think the "best" smartphone should be judged purely on hardware specifications, then let me as you this: is the best car necessarily the fastest car?
    Last edited by Blackberry Guy from CB; 03-16-2011 at 12:45 AM.
    03-16-2011 12:40 AM
  3. ghostface147's Avatar
    Hmm. 1 ghz of ram? What did you have to drink tonight? Remember, Apple designs and sells, everyone else copies. What do all the smartphones try to be? iPhone killers. What do all the tablets look lime? iPads.

    It's not all about specs. Android is nice at times, but laggy. I'll take less power for pure fluidity.
    03-16-2011 12:42 AM
  4. Jellotime91's Avatar
    You're so wrong. Check the benchmarks for the iPad VS the motorola xoom.. Pure specs does not win the speed battle.

    What matters more to consumers, .2ghz of extra clock speed? Or 2 hours more battery life? Yeah that's what I thought. Apple makes products that are not only as fast if not faster than the competition, but they also have better battery life.

    I really don't see how you think they are so behind in specs. iPhone is released every year in June. Last June was there a single dual-core phone out? No. It's not the specs that make the iPhone a viable option for the entire year, it's the software.
    03-16-2011 12:46 AM
  5. Fausty82's Avatar
    Sounds like a regurgitation of the "Apple jumped the shark" guy's treatise.

    For years I hated Apple's iPhone - called it a toy and deemed it inferior to my beloved BlackBerry... until I used one. Then I bought one. The iPad came out... I deemed it unnecessary and pointless... until I used one. Then I bought one... and so on...

    Apple's advantage is the user experience. Despite the arguably marginally inferior specs, Apple sells tons of devices on their name, and on the basis of the user experience. The stuff "just works". Specs come and go, and manufacturers play games of "leap frog" with them, but what really rocks the world of the end user is the experience.
    Last edited by Fausty82; 03-16-2011 at 12:08 PM.
    03-16-2011 09:51 AM
  6. AStranger's Avatar
    I'm sorry, but I always am skeptical when someone says "it's what the world wants". What do you base that on?

    Guess what? If the iphone wasn't what people wanted, it would end up flopping. Due to marketing there might be the initial push to buy it but bad reviews would start sprouting like weeds and the returns would start coming in and sales would plummet.

    I personally don't know how much bigger a screen that I would want on a phone since I value a relative small size for a phone and bigger screen = bigger phone.
    03-16-2011 10:32 AM
  7. jim1969's Avatar
    1.2 Ghz, 4" screen, world capibilites on Verizon and it'll do well. LTE still no all encompasing.
    03-16-2011 11:27 AM
  8. Totalimmortal363's Avatar
    1.2 Ghz, 4" screen, world capibilites on Verizon and it'll do well. LTE still no all encompasing.
    Form a correct and complete sentence please. Thanks!

    The iPhone does so well because it truly is a magical experience. When the 5 comes out, the software will remain largly unchanged but the experience will be that much better.
    03-16-2011 11:44 AM
  9. sting7k's Avatar
    Now I've been a happy Apple owner of Iphone and Ipod for years now. Ipod before I got my 1st Iphone in 2008. Seems with whats available or been available there getting behind.

    Now Iphone 4 528 ram, 1ghz processor is good but not best. All the major manufacturers will have thrown out 4g capable phones and dual core processors or 1.2 ghz processors and 1ghz ram before Apple gets to that point.

    Yes Apples screen resolution rocks and so does its ease of use. But Apple is basically on a 4 year old phone with a supercharger. In simplest terms. The Iphone4 is basically a 2007 iphone with nitrous or a supercharger added to an original engine to kinda give an analogy.

    Another thing. For some reason Apple hasn't gotten to a 4inch or a 4.3inch phone yet. This is what the world wants. Yes some people will say there little 3.5 screen is perfect. But not for most people. Or Motorola, HTC, etc wouldn't be pumping a million of these 4.3 droid phones all over the place, lol.

    The public has basically wanted a ui overhaul and a bigger screen.

    Apple does slaughter the manufacturers in sales yes but they can be so much better. If motorola can kinda come back from the dead and make 50 pretty cool phones. Apple can make 1 or 2 or even 3 to for size reasons. But not even that. Get with the times and not live in 2008 and make a 4 to 4.3 screen phone with a new ui and a dual core processor, 1 ghz ram or whatever is the current technology and not wait til every manufacturer has been there and done that and working on the newer faster routes.

    Because everyone knows the Iphone 5 will be a 1ghz dual-core, 1ghz ram and maybe improved graphics not sure. But this will be a close to a year old technology by the time that comes.

    So anybody else with me on this. I don't mean our frustrations of being nazi like. But to use the technology at hand to make the best phone they are capable of. Not the best phone they can get by with.

    I like that quote
    When I look at the Droid X all I see is a suped up G1 with a faster processor, more RAM, bigger screen, and more memory. I don't see the difference...

    If a bigger screen is "what the world wants" then why are people still buying the iPhone with a 3.5" screen? Wouldn't they all be running to the 4.0"+ screens out there? That doesn't seem to be happening as even Android phones with smaller screens are selling well.

    My iPhone 4 is not the same phone my original iPhone was in 2007.
    Last edited by sting7k; 03-16-2011 at 12:23 PM.
    03-16-2011 12:20 PM
  10. Fausty82's Avatar
    My son has a Droid X and has complained several times that it's TOO BIG. He is looking seriously at the iPhone - but waiting to see what the iPhone5 looks like before switching...
    03-16-2011 12:29 PM
  11. jim1969's Avatar
    Form a correct and complete sentence please. Thanks!

    The iPhone does so well because it truly is a magical experience. When the 5 comes out, the software will remain largly unchanged but the experience will be that much better.
    Sorry for mistyping no instead of not. I'm sure you figured that out yourself since you seem to be a genius. "Magical"? How quaint.
    They'd better improve the software. The notification features aren't as good as my BB 8330. Push mail (or at least better fetching of mail) would be a welcomed improvement. Hardware wise, some notification light would go along way towards converting some BB users.
    BTW, LARGELY. not largly.
    03-16-2011 01:52 PM
  12. CalifJewls's Avatar
    This post almost makes me want to laugh...here's the simple answer to the OP.....NOPE!!
    03-16-2011 01:53 PM
  13. AStranger's Avatar
    Sorry for mistyping no instead of not. I'm sure you figured that out yourself since you seem to be a genius. "Magical"? How quaint.
    They'd better improve the software. The notification features aren't as good as my BB 8330. Push mail (or at least better fetching of mail) would be a welcomed improvement. Hardware wise, some notification light would go along way towards converting some BB users.
    BTW, LARGELY. not largly.
    With an exchange server you essentially do have Push mail - I had a blackberry and my ipad with the same email and often the ipad got the email before my blackberry did.

    I don't think the software on the iphone is inferior at all. I much prefer the software on the iphone. The BB has a pretty extreme amount of bloat in their settings and menus and could use a severe redesign in user experience.

    Notifications may be better in BB - but frankly, I don't miss the light and I don't want it back at all.
    03-16-2011 02:37 PM
  14. sting7k's Avatar
    Sorry for mistyping no instead of not. I'm sure you figured that out yourself since you seem to be a genius. "Magical"? How quaint.
    They'd better improve the software. The notification features aren't as good as my BB 8330. Push mail (or at least better fetching of mail) would be a welcomed improvement. Hardware wise, some notification light would go along way towards converting some BB users.
    BTW, LARGELY. not largly.
    The iPhone does have push email.
    03-16-2011 02:42 PM
  15. Fausty82's Avatar
    Notifications may be better in BB - but frankly, I don't miss the light and I don't want it back at all.
    I agree 100%. There are some great JB apps that address the notification issue, but I do not ever want to see a flashing LED on my iPhone. Period.
    03-16-2011 03:01 PM
  16. jim1969's Avatar
    The iPhone does have push email.
    Then why are there "fetch" settings with different time intervals?
    03-16-2011 03:58 PM
  17. sting7k's Avatar
    Then why are there "fetch" settings with different time intervals?
    So that you can set it to fetch if you want an IMAP or POP3 account to fetch at regular intervals instead of manual loading when you open the app. IMAP and POP3 does not push. Or if you disable push on an Exchange account and want fetch instead.
    03-16-2011 04:12 PM
  18. AStranger's Avatar
    Then why are there "fetch" settings with different time intervals?
    Why is there a push setting if the iphone doesn't have push email available at all?
    03-16-2011 04:41 PM
  19. moneymike47's Avatar
    Apple innovates everything and other companies *like Androids* copy and try to 1-Up them with small little tweaks to make their phones seem a bit better.
    03-16-2011 05:56 PM
  20. Taco50's Avatar
    I don't see how iPhone is outdated. Dual core phones didn't come out until 2011. The software has had many upgrades since 2007 (push, multitasking, copy & paste) just to name a few. This almost seems like a troll post.
    03-17-2011 12:28 AM
  21. OTACORB's Avatar
    Craziest thing I ever read. The iPhone is behind the times! Says who? YOU?
    03-17-2011 12:40 AM
  22. Fausty82's Avatar
    I don't see how iPhone is outdated. Dual core phones didn't come out until 2011. The software has had many upgrades since 2007 (push, multitasking, copy & paste) just to name a few. This almost seems like a troll post.
    You may be right... but if you think this thread is troll bait, don't go here!
    03-17-2011 12:40 AM
  23. Turbo_lemon's Avatar
    Now I've been a happy Apple owner of Iphone and Ipod for years now. Ipod before I got my 1st Iphone in 2008. Seems with whats available or been available there getting behind.

    Now Iphone 4 528 ram, 1ghz processor is good but not best. All the major manufacturers will have thrown out 4g capable phones and dual core processors or 1.2 ghz processors and 1ghz ram before Apple gets to that point.

    Yes Apples screen resolution rocks and so does its ease of use. But Apple is basically on a 4 year old phone with a supercharger. In simplest terms. The Iphone4 is basically a 2007 iphone with nitrous or a supercharger added to an original engine to kinda give an analogy.

    Another thing. For some reason Apple hasn't gotten to a 4inch or a 4.3inch phone yet. This is what the world wants. Yes some people will say there little 3.5 screen is perfect. But not for most people. Or Motorola, HTC, etc wouldn't be pumping a million of these 4.3 droid phones all over the place, lol.

    The public has basically wanted a ui overhaul and a bigger screen.

    Apple does slaughter the manufacturers in sales yes but they can be so much better. If motorola can kinda come back from the dead and make 50 pretty cool phones. Apple can make 1 or 2 or even 3 to for size reasons. But not even that. Get with the times and not live in 2008 and make a 4 to 4.3 screen phone with a new ui and a dual core processor, 1 ghz ram or whatever is the current technology and not wait til every manufacturer has been there and done that and working on the newer faster routes.

    Because everyone knows the Iphone 5 will be a 1ghz dual-core, 1ghz ram and maybe improved graphics not sure. But this will be a close to a year old technology by the time that comes.

    So anybody else with me on this. I don't mean our frustrations of being nazi like. But to use the technology at hand to make the best phone they are capable of. Not the best phone they can get by with.

    I like that quote
    You must have never used a Blackberry phone then hey? You think Apple is behind look at the specs of those pathetic devices. You have such limited space for apps that its always a compromise between having a phone that runs smooth and works or has apps that make it fun to use cant have both! I think Apple may have less on paper specs then some of the competition but the way that they utilize what they have is far superior. Who cares if you have a 500 HP V8 if a 300 HP 4 cylinder can beat it?? That is reality the Iphone can keep up with or beat all of these newer devices so why does it matter what the specs are if it works and does what it says it will do then for my money thats all that matters.

    And to clear the air on the car racing analogy I traded my mint condition fully bolted and tuned 2005 Mustang GT in on my 2009 Cobalt SS Turbo and with less than $2000 in parts the Cobalt will absolutely destroy the Mustang as well as the new Camaro, Challenger SRT and several other super bad high HP V8's the difference is the Cobalt also gets 35MPG if driven nice and is cheaper to insure and can be driven year round kinda like the Iphone maybe its not the leader on paper but in the real world it just works and will outrun most if not all the competition even with less.
    Last edited by Turbo_lemon; 03-17-2011 at 01:18 PM.
    03-17-2011 01:10 PM
  24. milani's Avatar
    Based on some of Apple's more recent patents I would say they're well ahead of the curve.
    03-17-2011 01:22 PM
  25. Ipheuria's Avatar
    It's funny that someone is asking Apple to bump the specs on the phone and iPad to match competitors. Did you see the price of the Xoom? $800, the price is proportionate to what is in the device. So when you're asking for dual processors, 4" screens and redesigned UI now that translates to a more expensive phone. Just think there are Apple laptops(Macbook, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air) but why do more of the market buy the Windows laptops? not specs because they are basically on par or close to it, not quality because then Apple would be winning and Dell, HP and a bunch of other plastic laptops wouldn't. It's price, you can get so many Windows based laptops for 1/2 of what an MBP costs. The size of the screen I don't think people have to have it, sure it would be nice but only if the current design and weight stay because that is what most people like. If the screen was the case there wouldn't be people still buying a first gen iPhone. The hardware is 3 years old! but the experience is quite similar albeit dated. The problem with the specs that you are talking about is that is the reason there are a bajillion android phones launched every week. If you want to make a car analogy the iPhone is a Toyota Supra it costs less than the exotics with less cylinders but if you tune it right it will outrun any Ferrari.
    03-17-2011 02:11 PM
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