1. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    Well, also no offense intended here either, so please do not take it as such, but I don't think it's any more "rediculous" or even ridiculous for that matter, than contending that it's "no big deal".

    Indeed, one could make a valid argument, that it's "no big deal" to be able to gain access to the internet on a cell phone at all as many people don't even use smart phones.

    A modern, state of the art cell phone, should be able to utilize voice and data at the same time over it's network and without depending on free Wifi.

    It should also be able to handle conference calling with the ability to put one or more of the parties on hold if need be, or disconnect one or more of the parties without disconnecting all of them.....especially if the cost for a phone which will do the above, is the same as the cost of one which will not.

    It it's truly "no big deal", then why is Verizon working to bring this feature to their subscribers???......unless they're being "ridiculous" and spending so much effort on a "small deal" or "minutia".

    The bottom line is that this is an operating feature that many people either already "expect", or for those who don't expect it, would certainly not turn it down were it available.

    No need to pooh pooh it, as I see some in here doing.
    A modern, state of the art CAN utilize voice/data simultaneously. It doesn't have a fat baby's *** to do with the phone. It's the network. Now, you have to have 3G coverage to be able to do it. Can you do it when you only have AT&T's crappy *** EDGE network??? NOPE!!!! And look at the coverage map for AT&T 3G. It leaves a lot to be desired, I assure you. If simultaneous voice/data was why a person chose AT&T over Verizon and it's absolutely imperative, then I suggest that person have a Verizon MiFi, so they will have something reliable.

    If it's such a greatttttt feature, why isn't everyone flocking to sign up with AT&T??
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    03-06-2011 10:35 AM
  2. Iphonefour's Avatar
    Well, I'm certainly not saying that it's a useless feature, just less than useful to me and many users who are on viP4. If it was the huge deal it seems to be to some, I'd recommend they go ahead and make the switch to AT&T.

    If my choice was to give up Unlimited Data for a capped data package with the ability to talk on the phone and receive data at the same time, there is no way I would, personally, take that deal. We can chase this rabbit all over, and at the end of the day, that's the choice I see.

    Can I come up with crazy scenarios where that would bother me? Yeah, probably, but in the real world, I just haven't felt this particular limitation in the month or so I've owned my phone.

    To sum up: If Verizon suddenly had the feature, I'd use it. If I had to give up anything for it, ANYTHING, I'd probably pass.

    To each their own, luckily there are two carriers.
    I can certainly agree with the above about "chasing the rabbit" and glad that there are multiple carriers to choose from.

    But I would only point out that unlimited data sounds good, until they start throttling you, and slowing your data speeds to a crawl when you reach the top 5% of data users as VZW has said they do.

    So I can certainly see your point, because if I had to give up the feature of simultaneous voice and data, in exchange for "unlimited" data, knowing full well that I would be throttled, and my connection speeds slowed to a crawl for the current billing cycle, as well as the next, as soon as I reached a given point, and worse yet, not knowing when I hit that point until after I hit it, I'd balk at "unlimited" data.

    To say nothing of the fact that some on the other carrier(s), already have the same unlimited data plan you speak of, and VZWs unlimited plan, is going to be unavailable soon.
    03-06-2011 10:39 AM
  3. Iphonefour's Avatar
    A modern, state of the art CAN utilize voice/data simultaneously. It doesn't have a fat baby's *** to do with the phone. It's the network. Now, you have to have 3G coverage to be able to do it. Can you do it when you only have AT&T's crappy *** EDGE network??? NOPE!!!! And look at the coverage map for AT&T 3G. It leaves a lot to be desired, I assure you. If simultaneous voice/data was why a person chose AT&T over Verizon and it's absolutely imperative, then I suggest that person have a Verizon MiFi, so they will have something reliable.

    If it's such a greatttttt feature, why isn't everyone flocking to sign up with AT&T??
    You talk as though AT&T's 3G service is minimally available when indeed that is clearly not the case.

    But I would only proffer this.

    Since VZW has all of this 3G coverage, coverage which extends to some of the most remote outposts of the U.S, coverage which "never" drops a call, and which their subscribers can use from some of the deepest caves found anywhere.................why is it, that in this day and age, with all of that coverage advantage, that they still do not have simultaneous voice and data available over that network????

    You can run telegraph lines all over the world, and put one into every home, and have Morse code, going into each of them. Every remote outpost you can think of.

    But to argue that those telegraph lines are "better" than fiber optic because the telegraph lines go into more areas, is absurd.

    Can you do as much in Morse code as you can over fiber optic? Of course not. Morse code is yesterday's news. Just as not being able to utilize data and voice over your cellular network.

    Likewise, to tout all of that coverage advantage, when your users can't do as much on it as others can over your competitor's network, doesn't hold water either, especially when your competition is all the while expanding it's coverage area.
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-06-2011 at 10:53 AM.
    03-06-2011 10:48 AM
  4. P0stalTek's Avatar
    I can guarantee I'm not in the top 5% that will be throttled, even from only looking at the posts here in this one forum. So again, you are outlining a problem that doesn't effect me. Somewhere in this thread, I clearly posted that if I was around when AT&T offered their unlimited package, this would be a different story.

    The "throttling" is aimed at people who are torrenting and such from their phones. Quite frankly, those people *should* be throttled. Why should we all have a higher price or slower speed because 5% of the users out there can't save the torrenting for their PC/Mac?

    Don't shoot me, 5%'ers!
    03-06-2011 10:52 AM
  5. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    Call me crazy, but I swear I thought this was the Verizon iPhone forum, and for the life of me, why do people who don't have Verizon come in here to stir the pot?? I am speaking of people who are on other carriers, carriers who are all the while expanding it's coverage area and have perfect spellers, for an example.

    Just my thought...
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    03-06-2011 10:53 AM
  6. P0stalTek's Avatar
    Because their current infrastructure makes it impossible. Have you looked up CDMA? They are "getting with the future" and adding it, why do you have such a personal stake in this anyways?

    Your angst towards Verizon over a feature that clearly most of their customers don't seem to be complaining about just makes you look like a fanboi trying to make yourself feel better about your service by putting down others.

    Just saying, that's how you are coming across.
    03-06-2011 10:54 AM
  7. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    First and foremost, my phone needs to be able to make a call. I can do that, even in BFE. I will worry about the voice/data when I get home
    03-06-2011 10:55 AM
  8. P0stalTek's Avatar
    If you are Verizon.. do you spend time changing your fully setup CDMA network or just push the LTE development faster? LTE will automatically make this conversation one of the past. I wouldn't waste the money to change my entire network over to a different standard, only to do the same in a year or two.
    03-06-2011 10:57 AM
  9. Iphonefour's Avatar
    Call me crazy, but I swear I thought this was the Verizon iPhone forum, and for the life of me, why do people who don't have Verizon come in here to stir the pot?? I am speaking of people who are on other carriers, carriers who are all the while expanding it's coverage area and have perfect spellers, for an example.

    Just my thought...

    Well, we all own iPhones. Be they VZW or AT&T. Virtually anything pertinent to one, may be pertinent to the other.

    As a long time VZW user short time AT&T user, I have seen the differences, and well, frankly, I'm glad I didn't wait for the VZW version of the phone because I see an iPhone which doesn't do what an iPhone does.

    I find, from descriptions and gripes of those of us who have it, that it is sorely lacking in one of the biggest features making the iPhone to awesome device that it is.

    Multitasking.

    That's arguably the biggest thing that the iPhone has going for it.

    Thus an iPhone which doesn't do that as well as it can, .......
    03-06-2011 11:01 AM
  10. Iphonefour's Avatar
    Because their current infrastructure makes it impossible.
    Precisely. It was a rhetorical question.

    Putting that phone on that network, and then telling prospective buyers that they were "getting the iPhone", was perhaps the biggest stroke of genius by VZW yet.

    They, in effect sold them an iPhone4, which does not do what an iPhone4 does, because of the network they were putting it on.

    Voice and data over the network, continuity with texts over 160 characters, conference calling with the ability to place one or more of the participants on hold and such.

    You have an iPhone4 out there for months now which will do that, and then you sell others an iPhone4 which won't, and tell those buyers that they are getting the same thing......that's marketing genius.

    This latest move, availability of iOs 4.3 with a list of other features coming to
    one version of the phone before the other, is yet another move separating the functionality of the two phones.

    What's next????


    ....

    Your angst towards Verizon over a feature that clearly most of their customers don't seem to be complaining about just makes you look like a fanboi trying to make yourself feel better about your service by putting down others.

    Just saying, that's how you are coming across.
    I wonder why this "fanboi" accusation comes up when a clear difference between the two is referenced???

    It's almost like one cannot even point to the difference without being accused of "fanboism".
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-06-2011 at 11:20 AM.
    03-06-2011 11:04 AM
  11. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    Here's a clear difference. Verizon's network is better than AT&T's, with fewer dropped calls. If I can't even make a call, how the fudge am I gonna be able to do voice/data at the same time. So AT&T's network is substandard compared to Verizon. Their 3G coverage is CLEARLY in far fewer places and you have to have 3G to do voice/data. You guys act like you can do it everywhere, when that clearly isn't the case.
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    03-06-2011 11:09 AM
  12. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    Precisely. It was a rhetorical question.

    Putting that phone on that network, and then telling prospective buyers that they were "getting the iPhone", was perhaps the biggest stroke of genius by VZW yet.

    They, in effect sold them an iPhone4, which does not do what an iPhone4 does, because of the network they were putting it on.



    I wonder why this "fanboi" accusation comes up when a clear difference between the two is referenced???

    It's almost like one cannot even point to the difference without being accused of "fanboism".
    "They, in effect sold them an iPhone4, which does not do what an iPhone4 does, because of the network they were putting it on." ........ Oh, you make it sound like the iPhone4 was created to do voice and data at the same time. And you aren't a fanboi???? I tell you what, you win. You have a superior phone on a superior network. I don't even know how us poor Verizon people get by.

    You win, have a great day
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    03-06-2011 11:13 AM
  13. P0stalTek's Avatar
    Let's recap. You came to a viP4 page and started whining about a feature that you have on a different carrier and vehemently pushed your agenda when we said it didn't bother us.

    Now you're slyly suggesting we were "duped" and are trying to force the issue. The fact that you are doing so when you stand nothing to gain is why you are a fanboi. I was happy to discuss with you politely until you started acting like my 7 year old.

    You made your choice and clearly we have made ours, can we leave it at that?
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    03-06-2011 11:15 AM
  14. P0stalTek's Avatar
    Protip: Multitasking works FINE on the viP4. I have no less than 5-6 apps running at all times. When I'm on the phone, I can still open contacts and do most anything I would feel the need to do while I'm on the phone.
    03-06-2011 11:17 AM
  15. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    Protip: Multitasking works FINE on the viP4. I have no less than 5-6 apps running at all times. When I'm on the phone, I can still open contacts and do most anything I would feel the need to do while I'm on the phone.
    Get out of town!! Are you serious??? Do you mean I can do more than talk on this crappy Verizon iPhone simultaneously?? Oh, BTW, the rep who sold me this phone said I would hit the lottery within a week. I didn't. I feel like I was duped. Do I have any recourse??
    03-06-2011 11:23 AM
  16. P0stalTek's Avatar
    lol

    AT&T would get me in trouble anyways. My boss and wife wouldn't appreciate me surfing the web while they were trying to tell me something
    03-06-2011 11:25 AM
  17. Iphonefour's Avatar
    Let's recap. You came to a viP4 page and started whining about a feature that you have on a different carrier and vehemently pushed your agenda when we said it didn't bother us.

    Now you're slyly suggesting we were "duped" and are trying to force the issue. The fact that you are doing so when you stand nothing to gain is why you are a fanboi. I was happy to discuss with you politely until you started acting like my 7 year old.

    You made your choice and clearly we have made ours, can we leave it at that?
    Well I guess I should have expected for you to go postal on me POstalTek for my points.

    But I'm just saying that I can certainly see the point that one of the first posters in this thread made back here.

    http://forum.tipb.com/verizon-iphone...ml#post1685125

    I think that there is some validity to what he is saying, and that he is at the very least somewhat justified in the way that he feels.

    Now if that makes me seem to you like your 7yr old, well then I don't know what to say to that.

    But calling me a "fanboi" does not change any of the facts that I put out there.

    Protip: Multitasking works FINE on the viP4. I have no less than 5-6 apps running at all times. When I'm on the phone, I can still open contacts and do most anything I would feel the need to do while I'm on the phone.
    Fine.

    But you are missing the point.

    What you have posted above though, is the same as someone who has communicated using smoke signals for the past 20 years, saying that using smoke signals gives him "the ability to do everything that he feels the need to do" in terms of communicating.

    The point is, that in this day and age, simultaneous voice and data over the network, should be a given. Just like indoor plumbing in a new house.
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-06-2011 at 11:37 AM.
    03-06-2011 11:26 AM
  18. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    Especially if she was telling you what to pick up at the store, and you were looking at p0rn
    03-06-2011 11:27 AM
  19. P0stalTek's Avatar
    I didn't go postal, you'll know if I ever do.. hehe.

    I just don't understand what stake you have in "stirring up the pot" as Icy put it. You are clearly on AT&T and are happy with your choice. When someone tells me I've been duped, when I did all the research beforehand and didn't care, it's a hair offensive to me.

    When someone further suggests that my phone isn't even an iPhone when Apple disagrees, I think that's silly. You have argued for well over a page about a service you don't even use.. why on earth would you do that unless you were trying to convince us that AT&T is superior? That is the very definition of a fanboi, in my mind.

    Anyways, I don't want to argue with you all morning - so I'll let you have the last word. Please understand though, we, the viP4 community, seem to be more than happy with our iP4's right now. Should that change in the future, AT&T will be the first to know about it.

    Have a great day
    03-06-2011 11:34 AM
  20. Iphonefour's Avatar
    I didn't go postal, you'll know if I ever do.. hehe.

    I just don't understand what stake you have in "stirring up the pot" as Icy put it. You are clearly on AT&T and are happy with your choice. When someone tells me I've been duped, when I did all the research beforehand and didn't care, it's a hair offensive to me.

    When someone further suggests that my phone isn't even an iPhone when Apple disagrees, I think that's silly. You have argued for well over a page about a service you don't even use.. why on earth would you do that unless you were trying to convince us that AT&T is superior? That is the very definition of a fanboi, in my mind.

    Anyways, I don't want to argue with you all morning - so I'll let you have the last word. Please understand though, we, the viP4 community, seem to be more than happy with our iP4's right now. Should that change in the future, AT&T will be the first to know about it.

    Have a great day
    I don't want to say that you personally were "duped". Nor do I want to say that your phone is not an iphone4.

    I just see, what I see, and I see it as somewhat of a slap in the face and more of VZW's shortcomings when it comes to the iPhone4.

    Some of the shenanigans I went through when I was with them.

    The "last straw" for me was the Blackberry Storm and then trying to charge me for one of the multiple ones I had to return to them.

    My wife and I had 8 Blackberry Storms between us. She wanted to wait on the VZW iPhone4, I went ahead on Labor day and got the ATT version, while she continued to struggle with VZW, fighting them over a better than $300.00 bill for a returned Blackberry. All the while she still kept VZW.

    Swore she wouldn't switch and would tough it out until the iPhone4 for VZW came out.

    Finally, she could take no more, seeing that charge for that returned Blackberry, still on her bill, and in November, after all of her talk of "dropped calls" and vowing how she would never go back to AT&T, I bought her an Iphone4 while she held onto her 4th and last VZW Blackberry.

    So she had two phones. Supposedly for "backup" since AT&T in her mind, dropped an excessive number of calls though she had not had AT&T for several years.

    AT&T had a 30 day return on the iPhone4. (VZW only had a 15 day return when they came out with it, but I digress and don't want to get sidetracked on yet another point). I could bring it back if she didn't like it. I told her if it dropped a single call, that back to ATT it would go. Just give it a chance.

    I haven't been able to get it away from her since the day I bought it. She is constantly using it at one time or another.

    It works like it's supposed to, and every iOS 4.x iPhone feature, with the exception of the hot spot, which will be available in a few days, is available to it.

    No dropped calls, no problems, just great service and absolute full functionality of the devices, without having to pull batteries, and without having to fight with the carrier over bogus charges.

    So we can have our cake, and eat it too.

    Then from the sidelines, I see the marketing campaign for the iPhone4, with VZW knowing full well the limitations their network puts on the device's capabilities.

    And now, approximately a month later this latest shoe drops. iOs 4.3 coming out for the other iPhone4, with great new features, to go along with the other great features available on the other network carrying the phone, but no word on when it will be out for the VZW version of the phone.

    Another slap in the face, that fortunately this time, I won't have to take.

    It's just that after being screwed so many times by them, I am immensely glad that I am no longer in a position to be screwed by them any further. Glad I got out when the getting was still good, and feel somewhat bad to see others getting what appears to be hosed by them, even though I am absent.

    This latest news on iOS 4.3, sort of cements it. I see them up to their same old tricks.

    All I'm saying is, that I can certainly see the viewpoint expressed by the poster "greasyg2006" here, and a few others who have commented, and relate to it.

    http://forum.tipb.com/verizon-iphone...ml#post1685125
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-10-2011 at 11:32 PM.
    03-06-2011 11:48 AM
  21. P0stalTek's Avatar
    That story atleast explains your stake in the viP, which I thank you for. In my area, VZN is by far the best service and being on a business account I always get great in store customer service.

    As much as I like to hate all carriers, I must say that VZN has been good to me so far. They even gave me a free upgrade for the switch to iP4, which I hear any many areas people were refused early upgrades even 1 day early for the viP4 launch.

    There is my story. Couple that with the fact that I got in on the unlimited data plan and the fact that I personally wouldn't be using data and voice simultaneously and your have a very happy customer. Not to mention, I didn't have to switch carriers which for a business can be annoying!


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    03-06-2011 12:49 PM
  22. Iphonefour's Avatar
    That story atleast explains your stake in the viP, which I thank you for. In my are, VZN is by far the best service and being on a business account I always get great in store customer service.

    As much as I like to hate all carriers, I must say that VZN has been good to me so far. They even gave me a free upgrade for the switch to iP4, which I hear any many areas people were refused early upgrades even 1 day early for the viP4 launch.

    There is my story. Couple that with the fact that I got in on the unlimited data plan and the fact that I personally wouldn't be using data and voice simultaneously and your have a very happy customer. Not to mention, I didn't have to switch carriers which for a business can be annoying!


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    Glad to hear that it works for you, and any others for whom it does.

    I got waived activation fees for all 4 of my AT&T iphone 4s, a $25.00 credit for referring my daughter's boyfriend, 1,000 free rollover minutes, free mobile to any mobile, took my son's 16g back and got a 32g after nearly a month, no questions asked, just the upcharge, had all of my VZW numbers ported over, no charge, have had ONE billing discrepancy which I didn't have to fight with them over to get resolved, indeed they apologized and gave me a $25.00 credit for my trouble.

    Had it been VZW, I'd bet it would not have gone this smoothly. To wit, we are just now getting that Blackberry off of my wife's VZW bill after closing the VZW account for good in January.

    When the phone first came out on VZW, I got a kick out of reading some of the posts from the new owners in amazement on what the phone would do.

    They raved and continue to rave about the ability to do screen shots, etc. Stuff that I myself had been doing for months, but nonetheless, it was understandable the immense enthusiasm new VZW customers had for their new iPhone4s.

    But I want to reiterate that I am not saying that you were "duped".

    Just saying that when a marketing machine gets going, many people, you, me, many people, can fall under it. So I am not saying that I am any better than anyone else when it comes to being on the receiving end of marketing efforts.

    Both carriers have immense marketing machines and are good at what they do.

    But I think, and again I know this is going to ruffle some feathers, but that's not my intent, that many new VZW iphone4 owners, thought that they were getting an iPhone with equal across the board, capability to what AT&T was offering, but with the added benefit of less chance of dropping calls.

    Perhaps the chance of dropped calls thing they did indeed get, depending upon where they live, work, travel, etc.

    But the inequity between the two in what each is capable of doing in terms of smart phone features, the "bells and whistles" is at the root of some of the feelings stated here.

    In other words, people are elated that they can get all of this perceived "dependability" and perceived, or even real, advantage over AT&T, when it comes to holding calls.

    But they are not happy that the other things that the AT&T iPhone4 will currently do, and will apparently get in a few days, to go into it's already impressive arsenal of key features, won't be coming to their own phones at the same time.

    Even though when it comes to calls on their phones being solid as a rock compared to the other carriers out there.

    They were already getting that "rock solid" phone calling ability, when they had their old phones and before they paid the $200.00-$300.00 for the new one. Couple that with the fact that many on the other carrier, can get all of the "bells and whistles" offered on the phone PLUS rock solid call holding ability on the other carrier because of where they live, in effect they can have their cake and eat it too, and it really gets heated.

    iOS 4.3 is bringing yet new features to the iPhone4. Are the VZW people wrong for expecting their phones to be both rock solid when it comes to holding calls, AND also as "feature rich" as the other variant is????

    Does it make one a "fanboi" if this is asked???

    I guess what I'm saying is, a lot of these guys have every right to be peeved over this new iOS 4.3 thing not coming immediately to their devices.

    Now just whom they should be be peeved at, is a different discussion.
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-06-2011 at 01:54 PM.
    03-06-2011 01:18 PM
  23. P0stalTek's Avatar
    Sure. They have the right to feel however they want. I cannot fault them, but should Apple really delay the update for AT&T long enough to finish up the Verizon update?

    In the end, Verizon customers have only had their phones for a month and already have a newer version of the iOS. How long have AT&T been on 4.2.1? Since November atleast I believe.

    I have an AT&T iPad and it's been 4.2.1 for quite some time now, so a staggered release seems better for most iPhone customers who likely never see these forums to know they are being short-changed.
    03-06-2011 02:11 PM
  24. Iphonefour's Avatar
    Sure. They have the right to feel however they want. I cannot fault them, but should Apple really delay the update for AT&T long enough to finish up the Verizon update?
    I think that would be fair.

    Especially now that you are acquiring new customers to buy your products.

    Why alienate a group of people from the new batch of customers you just took away from Android, right after getting them???? You just tapped into a new market which wasn't available to you. Why **** people off in that segment???

    So yes, I think that would be fair. Holding off a few days on releasing the iOS 4.3 until it was ready to go for both versions of the phone......unless the Verizon update were going to be a long way away, a long way behind that AT&T version.

    In the end, Verizon customers have only had their phones for a month and already have a newer version of the iOS. How long have AT&T been on 4.2.1? Since November atleast I believe.

    I have an AT&T iPad and it's been 4.2.1 for quite some time now, so a staggered release seems better for most iPhone customers who likely never see these forums to know they are being short-changed.
    Maybe. But when one iphone4 user sees another able to do some of the things on his iphone that he cannot do on his, I don't see that as being a good thing.

    Indeed, that has the potential to backfire, more so than it has a chance of succeeding.

    Indeed, some here have already complained about fragmented and staggered releases for operating system updates on Droids, and Blackberrys.

    Why make the same mistake???
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-06-2011 at 06:37 PM.
    03-06-2011 02:21 PM
  25. whmurray's Avatar
    Sure. They have the right to feel however they want. I cannot fault them, but should Apple really delay the update for AT&T long enough to finish up the Verizon update?
    Come on guys. This release is just about giving AT&T users the Hotspot function, something the Verizon users have had for weeks. What is all the whining about?
    03-06-2011 04:53 PM
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