1. jhnnyblze2000's Avatar
    I still don't understand why we have to bash each other's networks... The iPhone works for different people on different networks. Are we bashing people who unlock their iPhone to work on T-Mobile's network and only getting Edge? Maybe not. Anyway, we may not get 4.3 right away, that doesn't surprise me, but it's not like Apple is going to leave us dead in the water either. They will send out 4.3.x for the CDMA iPhone soon.
    Yea seriously who cares what network your on. On the GSM iPhone thread you dont hear the canadian carriers bashing the AT&T network. They actually go on and try to help each other out y do AT&T and Verizon iPhone users feel the need to argue and bash each other about who's network does this and who's network does that better. I know it sounds cliche but can't we all just get along. My god its just cell phones.
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    03-03-2011 12:26 AM
  2. Iphonefour's Avatar
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    No voice/data? Don't care. Those of us on Verizon are used to not having it, and I'm almost ALWAYS around Wifi that I can hop on if I need it.

    ...
    You can't miss what you never had.

    However once you use it, you wonder how you ever did without it. Especially when you are in areas where free WiFi is not available.

    There are no doubt currently more places where WiFi ain't free, than places where it is free. It's those places where it isn't free where this makes a difference.

    Being able to check your email while you talk or comparison shop over the internet while you have a vendor on the line, or review the vendor's catalogue while you have him on the line is convenient.

    If I'm on my laptop and my landline phone rings, I don't close my laptop and quit browsing the internet, or checking my email, etc. while I'm on the landline phone.

    And if I'm on the web, using my iphone and a call comes through, I'd find it inconvenient to "close" my browser or email and stop what I was doing on the internet, using my iphone, until after my conversation was over.

    I can talk and continue right on doing whatever I was doing on the web before I took the call, same as I would were I home using my laptop and my phone rang.

    Of course, it goes without saying that much of your choice depends on if you are in areas where free WiFi connections are readily available, many of us are not, and on if your phone service is dependable. If I were getting poor phone service, I'd not stick with the carrier no matter who it was.
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-03-2011 at 12:50 AM.
    03-03-2011 12:40 AM
  3. Iphonefour's Avatar
    Ok, what is the big deal with 4.3. A little better load time on java script? I really didn't see much that would warrant getting it right away for myself. The phone is still working great for me. If there was a significant bug yes, get it asap. Otherwise just hang for a while?????
    A lot more than just the better load time on java script.

    AppleInsider | Apple delays iOS 4.3 for CDMA Verizon iPhone
    03-03-2011 01:40 AM
  4. Darth-gamer's Avatar
    To all the AT&T fanboys crying "BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNAL ISSUES!!!!!!!" (And normally I wouldn't do this, but you folks DID come in here and start basking the ViP) :

    While it may be true that you yourself don't have signal issues, let's ask somebody that might be more familiar with the signal issues than you, AT&T:

    AT&T Admits New York City iPhone Service Sucks: Gothamist
    03-03-2011 08:51 AM
  5. Blackbelt's Avatar
    Let's see here. Verizon doesn't get 4.3 like everyone else on the 11th (although they already have hotspot). They have slower data. They can't do voice/data at the same time via 3G. They suffer slightly less battery life (CDMA uses different power requirements and tuning, although nothing drastic). So much for that Verizon iPhone being awesome? I can't think of a reason since AT&T is very fast for me and very reliable.
    I have had my VZM I4 for about 2 weeks with no drop calls, faster data service than my previous lousy AT &T with battery life of over 9 hours. Most importantly great customer service.
    03-03-2011 10:28 AM
  6. Iphonefour's Avatar
    To all the AT&T fanboys crying "BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNAL ISSUES!!!!!!!" (And normally I wouldn't do this, but you folks DID come in here and start basking the ViP) :

    While it may be true that you yourself don't have signal issues, let's ask somebody that might be more familiar with the signal issues than you, AT&T:

    AT&T Admits New York City iPhone Service Sucks: Gothamist
    Just one of the many reasons why I'm glad I don't live in New York City
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    03-03-2011 12:22 PM
  7. iEther21's Avatar
    i wonder what at&t fans are gonna cling to when the iphone goes LTE,
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    03-03-2011 01:54 PM
  8. Garz's Avatar
    Its hard to say whether Vzn will see 4.3 or not. Betas are always released to developers prior and we still havent seen it. Not saying it wont happen and they may just test internally but that is just how it usually works.
    03-03-2011 01:55 PM
  9. greasyg2006's Avatar
    So, has there even been any 'offical' word yet from Apple or Verizon on why the Verizon iPhone is being excluded from 4.3 or why Verizon is getting it later than AT&T?
    03-04-2011 03:02 PM
  10. Garz's Avatar
    No official word. If it happens, you will see it on the blogs here on TiPb. Only thing Apple has said is its for iPhone 4 GSM only.
    03-04-2011 03:34 PM
  11. jhnnyblze2000's Avatar
    Its hard to say whether Vzn will see 4.3 or not. Betas are always released to developers prior and we still havent seen it. Not saying it wont happen and they may just test internally but that is just how it usually works.
    They probably won't release a beta test of it cause it's going to be the exact same as the other 4.3 release they just have to make it work with the CDMA radio instead of the GSM. The Verizon 4.3 won't ad any new features so y should they release a second beta to test the same features. It wouldn't make sense.
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    03-04-2011 07:59 PM
  12. cellphonejedi's Avatar
    Let's see here. Verizon doesn't get 4.3 like everyone else on the 11th (although they already have hotspot). They have slower data. They can't do voice/data at the same time via 3G. They suffer slightly less battery life (CDMA uses different power requirements and tuning, although nothing drastic). So much for that Verizon iPhone being awesome? I can't think of a reason since AT&T is very fast for me and very reliable.
    Question? Is being able to call and use data a true dealbreaker? I cant remember a time where Ive needed both at the same time. I use tons of data and messaging. AT&T users always throw this out because its the only leg they have to stand on when it comes to how awesome their phone performs.

    Ive had the ip4 from VZW since it came out and have not had one issue. I tweeked a few settings and it has performed perfectly. The ability to talk and surf is a rather small feature to me. I would rather be able to use my device freely in any area with awesome coverage.
    03-05-2011 09:57 AM
  13. takeshi's Avatar
    What the heck??? I'm feeling kind of jipped for choosing Verizon's iPhone over AT&T now.
    Entitled much? It's amazing how rampant this mindset is all over the place these days...

    So much for that Verizon iPhone being awesome? I can't think of a reason since AT&T is very fast for me and very reliable.
    Good for you. Try reading up on anecdotal evidence sometime. Your experience doesn't suddenly eliminate those of the countless people that do have problems with at&t (just as any one person's experience on any carrier by itself says nothing about any trends with that carrier -- or any single data point fails to define a trend).

    Question? Is being able to call and use data a true dealbreaker? I cant remember a time where Ive needed both at the same time.
    Like any potential dealbreaker, it's highly subjective. Just because you don't find it a dealbreaker doesn't mean that someone else won't (and vice-versa). One size doesn't fit all.

    AT&T users always throw this out because its the only leg they have to stand on when it comes to how awesome their phone performs.
    Granted, a lot of people do claim that it's a deal breaker just because Luke Wilson told them it was. Still, doesn't mean that it isn't a deal breaker for those that actually rely on it.
    Last edited by briareus; 03-05-2011 at 10:37 AM.
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    03-05-2011 10:27 AM
  14. P0stalTek's Avatar
    who cares? I could honestly care less about photobooth and garage band or whatever else there is. Personal hotspot isn't of any interest to me and even if it were, I already have MiWi.

    All 4.3 would do it cause me to wait for a jailbreak, rejailbreak, redo repos, reinstall apps, etc.
    Exactly what badboy said. I have mine Jailbroken so I'm not that concerned about it.

    Also to the previous poster who said "so much for the Verizon iPhone", my viP4 has unlimited data grandfathered, and since AT&T no longer offers that, I feel I got the better end of the stick by staying with Verizon.

    (now if I had gotten into it when AT&T offered unlimited, this would be a totally different conversation )
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    03-05-2011 11:17 AM
  15. whmurray's Avatar
    To all the AT&T fanboys crying "BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNAL ISSUES!!!!!!!" (And normally I wouldn't do this, but you folks DID come in here and start basking the ViP) :

    While it may be true that you yourself don't have signal issues, let's ask somebody that might be more familiar with the signal issues than you, AT&T:

    AT&T Admits New York City iPhone Service Sucks: Gothamist
    And again, the problem is "success of the iPhone." (If you follow this link, be sure to read the comments.)

    Sorry guys, we are not the bad guys. It is not fair for AT&T to take our money and then treat us as a "problem."

    The iPhone is a success; get over it. Stop explaining and complaining and invest.

    (I try to get past my anger enough to give AT&T their due. On my recent annual trip to San Francisco, I was able to make and receive calls and I was, for the first time in four years, able to do data applications, nominally 3G, on my iPhone 4. I do not know whether to attribute this to AT&T or the new iPhone but it was certainly welcome. There have been one or two times in lower Manhattan where I got faster data service over AT&T than over Verizon. However, I must still carry my Verizon MiFi when I go into the city to be sure of having any service at all. I use the Mifi by default for both voice over IP and other data applications.)
    03-05-2011 12:02 PM
  16. whmurray's Avatar
    Question? Is being able to call and use data a true dealbreaker? I cant remember a time where Ive needed both at the same time. I use tons of data and messaging. AT&T users always throw this out because its the only leg they have to stand on when it comes to how awesome their phone performs.

    Ive had the ip4 from VZW since it came out and have not had one issue. I tweeked a few settings and it has performed perfectly. The ability to talk and surf is a rather small feature to me. I would rather be able to use my device freely in any area with awesome coverage.
    It may not be "a deal breaker" but it is certainly a convenience. One often has occasion to use the cloud while talking to someone.

    May be based upon how one views the iPhone. To me the iPhone is a computer on which I occasionally make phone calls. I like for my computers to multi-task. I do not want to have to give up access to all other apps just to make a phone call.

    While I use both AT&T and Verizon (MiFi) for data, I do my voice calls over IP (Skype). This is true without regard to what computer, PC, MacBook Air, iPad, or iPhone, or which carrier, I happen to be using at the moment. For me, the other computer application that I am doing at the moment, often trumps the phone call.

    Of course, if one turns all voice calls into data calls, the issue of simultaneity of voice and data goes away.

    So, not a deal breaker.

    On the other hand, it would be nice if either carrier were good enough that I did not have to pay both, just to get a reasonably reliable level of service. For example, when iOS4.3 comes out, it would be nice if I could drop my MiFi. It would be nice to carry only one device and worry about the charge of one battery. Whatever AT&T says, no matter whose fault they think it is, for those of us who live or work in NYC, their service does not meet that standard.
    03-05-2011 12:20 PM
  17. Jon Seals's Avatar
    who cares? I could honestly care less about photobooth and garage band or whatever else there is. Personal hotspot isn't of any interest to me and even if it were, I already have MiWi.

    All 4.3 would do it cause me to wait for a jailbreak, rejailbreak, redo repos, reinstall apps, etc.
    3 words, iTunes Home Sharing

    Very very big for media addicts like me.

    Though I'll be able to hang in there, I always have my iPad.
    03-06-2011 12:44 AM
  18. Jon Seals's Avatar
    It may not be "a deal breaker" but it is certainly a convenience. One often has occasion to use the cloud while talking to someone.

    May be based upon how one views the iPhone. To me the iPhone is a computer on which I occasionally make phone calls. I like for my computers to multi-task. I do not want to have to give up access to all other apps just to make a phone call.

    While I use both AT&T and Verizon (MiFi) for data, I do my voice calls over IP (Skype). This is true without regard to what computer, PC, MacBook Air, iPad, or iPhone, or which carrier, I happen to be using at the moment. For me, the other computer application that I am doing at the moment, often trumps the phone call.

    Of course, if one turns all voice calls into data calls, the issue of simultaneity of voice and data goes away.

    So, not a deal breaker.

    On the other hand, it would be nice if either carrier were good enough that I did not have to pay both, just to get a reasonably reliable level of service. For example, when iOS4.3 comes out, it would be nice if I could drop my MiFi. It would be nice to carry only one device and worry about the charge of one battery. Whatever AT&T says, no matter whose fault they think it is, for those of us who live or work in NYC, their service does not meet that standard.
    This problem has no effect on me and many many others, I'm either on wifi or driving, its illegal in my state to be texting (or anything else which they overlooked) except for talking on the phone. Wifi and CDMA can both be used at the same time. This may not be the problem for all of you, but it's something to consider before trash talking.
    03-06-2011 12:49 AM
  19. Iphonefour's Avatar
    This problem has no effect on me and many many others, I'm either on wifi or driving, its illegal in my state to be texting (or anything else which they overlooked) except for talking on the phone....
    What if you're a passenger? What if you're parked?

    There are still plenty of airports in the U.S. which don't have free wifi access, to say nothing of numerous business establishments.

    If I'm in my car, on a moderate distance trip, and my wife or another passenger wants to use my ipad, I'll be able to tether it to the phone, let her use the ipad in the car, as I drive, and still have use of my phone to talk on without disturbing/interrupting whomever is on the ipad or laptop.

    What if I'm in a restaurant or other business establishment, as I was just last evening, where the wifi is present, but locked?


    ...Wifi and CDMA can both be used at the same time. This may not be the problem for all of you, but it's something to consider before trash talking.
    I agree, it might not be a "problem" for all, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts, that if this feature of simultaneous voice and data over 3G, were available as part of, and included in the package to current VZW iPhone4 owners who are attempting to downplay it, that not a single one would turn it down.

    People bring up the simultaneous voice and data thing, but equally as important, might be the conference calling thing too.
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-06-2011 at 09:45 AM.
    03-06-2011 08:39 AM
  20. Iphonefour's Avatar
    3 words, iTunes Home Sharing

    Very very big for media addicts like me.

    Though I'll be able to hang in there, I always have my iPad.
    Yeah, Itunes home sharing for mobile devices is going to be a winner.

    Sneak Peek: How iOS 4.3′s iTunes Home Sharing Feature Works | Cult of Mac
    03-06-2011 08:56 AM
  21. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    Exactly what badboy said. I have mine Jailbroken so I'm not that concerned about it.

    Also to the previous poster who said "so much for the Verizon iPhone", my viP4 has unlimited data grandfathered, and since AT&T no longer offers that, I feel I got the better end of the stick by staying with Verizon.

    (now if I had gotten into it when AT&T offered unlimited, this would be a totally different conversation )
    ^^ You are spot on. I think I will upgrade at 5.0, or when most of everything in Cydia is incorporated in the stock iOS
    03-06-2011 09:30 AM
  22. P0stalTek's Avatar
    I agree, it might not be a "problem" for all, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts, that if this feature of simultaneous voice and data over 3G, were available as part of, and included in the package to current VZW iPhone4 owners who are attempting to downplay it, that not a single one would turn it down.

    People bring up the simultaneous voice and data thing, but equally as important, might be the conference calling thing too.
    No offense intended, but that is a rediculous thing to say in my estimation. I don't know *anyone* in the world that would turn their nose up to a free service upgrade.

    Noone is saying that they wouldn't take voice/data at the same time. However, that doesn't make it a big deal. Many users stay on WiFi all the time (like myself) and STILL don't end up using data while on the phone. I know, for myself, there has never been a time I was on the phone and I missed the ability to transfer data.

    It's just not that big of a deal to most of us. No reason to use obscure accusations in order to prove a point, imo Truthfully, if it *was* a big deal, big enough to offset the unlimited data plan I have with Verizon, I'd be the first one in line to make the switch to AT&T.
    03-06-2011 10:02 AM
  23. Iphonefour's Avatar
    No offense intended, but that is a rediculous thing to say in my estimation. I don't know *anyone* in the world that would turn their nose up to a free service upgrade.

    Noone is saying that they wouldn't take voice/data at the same time. However, that doesn't make it a big deal. Many users stay on WiFi all the time (like myself) and STILL don't end up using data while on the phone. I know, for myself, there has never been a time I was on the phone and I missed the ability to transfer data.

    It's just not that big of a deal to most of us. No reason to use obscure accusations in order to prove a point, imo Truthfully, if it *was* a big deal, big enough to offset the unlimited data plan I have with Verizon, I'd be the first one in line to make the switch to AT&T.
    Well, also no offense intended here either, so please do not take it as such, but I don't think it's any more "rediculous" or even ridiculous for that matter, than contending that it's "no big deal".

    Indeed, one could make a valid argument, that it's "no big deal" to be able to gain access to the internet on a cell phone at all as many people don't even use smart phones.

    A modern, state of the art cell phone, should be able to utilize voice and data at the same time over it's network and without depending on free Wifi.

    It should also be able to handle conference calling with the ability to put one or more of the parties on hold if need be, or disconnect one or more of the parties without disconnecting all of them.....especially if the cost for a phone which will do the above, is the same as the cost of one which will not.

    If it's truly "no big deal", then why is Verizon working to bring this feature to their subscribers???......unless they're being "ridiculous" and spending so much effort on a "small deal" or "minutia".

    The bottom line is that this is an operating feature that many people either already "expect", or for those who don't expect it, would certainly not turn it down were it available.

    No need to pooh pooh it, as I see some in here doing.
    Last edited by Iphonefour; 03-06-2011 at 06:10 PM.
    03-06-2011 10:19 AM
  24. P0stalTek's Avatar
    Well, I'm certainly not saying that it's a useless feature, just less than useful to me and many users who are on viP4. If it was the huge deal it seems to be to some, I'd recommend they go ahead and make the switch to AT&T.

    If my choice was to give up Unlimited Data for a capped data package with the ability to talk on the phone and receive data at the same time, there is no way I would, personally, take that deal. We can chase this rabbit all over, and at the end of the day, that's the choice I see.

    Can I come up with crazy scenarios where that would bother me? Yeah, probably, but in the real world, I just haven't felt this particular limitation in the month or so I've owned my phone.

    To sum up: If Verizon suddenly had the feature, I'd take it. If I had to give up anything for it, ANYTHING, I'd probably pass.

    To each their own, luckily there are two carriers.

    PS. I wasn't saying your whole post was rediculous, I should have been more specific. The rediculous part was using the fact that people would take a free upgrade in service as a way to prove that it's a game-changing feature.
    Last edited by P0stalTek; 03-06-2011 at 10:31 AM.
    03-06-2011 10:25 AM
  25. shinbone's Avatar
    Yeah, Itunes home sharing for mobile devices is going to be a winner.
    . . . winning !
    03-06-2011 10:31 AM
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