1. reyxlp's Avatar
    The original iPhone got two "refreshes" (iPhone --> iPhone 3G --> iPhone 3GS) before a completely new model (iPhone 4) was released. You make a lot more money selling new model with a few updates but the same basic design than selling a completely redesigned model.

    There is no reason to think this will change with the 4. If there is a new phone this summer, it will likely be an "iPhone 4x" ('x' being whatever the upgraded designation they give it) rather than an iPhone 5. My guess is we will see the same progression as with the original iPhone, so this summer would bring some updates, then summer 2012 would bring the "iPhone 4G" offering "so-called 4G" and LTE capability, among other updates, with the "iPhone 5" being a complete redesign coming out in summer 2013. It would be very unlike Apple to release a 4G/LTE iPhone while only a few markets enjoy that capability and also so early in the technology's life where it is still new and untested. The last thing Apple, AT&T and Verizon want is a repeat of what happened with AT&T iPhone customers and all their issues on that network, especially early on, some still today.

    If Verizon does end up on the same Apple summer iPhone upgrade cycle as AT&T, I would be completely shocked if Verizon didn't allow iPhone 4 owners some kind of discount or loyalty promotion to facilitate upgrading to the new variant, otherwise I think they would burn a lot of goodwill with the original batch of iPhone 4 buyers.
    Last edited by reyxlp; 02-14-2011 at 08:10 PM.
    02-14-2011 08:07 PM
  2. shipwrestler125's Avatar
    The original iPhone got two "refreshes" (iPhone --> iPhone 3G --> iPhone 3GS) before a completely new model (iPhone 4) was released. You make a lot more money selling new model with a few updates but the same basic design than selling a completely redesigned model.

    There is no reason to think this will change with the 4. If there is a new phone this summer, it will likely be an "iPhone 4x" ('x' being whatever the upgraded designation they give it) rather than an iPhone 5. My guess is we will see the same progression as with the original iPhone, so this summer would bring some updates, then summer 2012 would bring the "iPhone 4G" offering "so-called 4G" and LTE capability, among other updates, with the "iPhone 5" being a complete redesign coming out in summer 2013. It would be very unlike Apple to release a 4G/LTE iPhone while only a few markets enjoy that capability and also so early in the technology's life where it is still new and untested. The last thing Apple, AT&T and Verizon want is a repeat of what happened with AT&T iPhone customers and all their issues on that network, especially early on, some still today.

    If Verizon does end up on the same Apple summer iPhone upgrade cycle as AT&T, I would be completely shocked if Verizon didn't allow iPhone 4 owners some kind of discount or loyalty promotion to facilitate upgrading to the new variant, otherwise I think they would burn a lot of goodwill with the original batch of iPhone 4 buyers.
    How do they make more money selling a refresh? What if they can make a completely redesigned phone for cheaper? They dont need to make a refresh of the model to make more money. Although I do agree I cant see Apple making their next iphone 4g until it is more widespread and they have more time to test it. Also idk if Verizon would allow users to upgrade I mean they dont do that with android phones and a new android comes out pretty much every few months.
    02-14-2011 08:18 PM
  3. reyxlp's Avatar
    How do they make more money selling a refresh? What if they can make a completely redesigned phone for cheaper? They dont need to make a refresh of the model to make more money. Although I do agree I cant see Apple making their next iphone 4g until it is more widespread and they have more time to test it. Also idk if Verizon would allow users to upgrade I mean they dont do that with android phones and a new android comes out pretty much every few months.
    Well, you're right, I don't know for a fact, but do you really think it could cost less money (r&d, testing, etc.) to issue a completely redesigned new model than a refresh or upgrade/update of an existing one? I don't know. I would be really surprised.

    Yeah, very true about the Verizon Android phones, but there's only one model of the iPhone and Apple also has a huge say in what Verizon/AT&T do with it, moreso than the Android handset makers, I would imagine. I think if they released a new iPhone on Verizon this summer, they would be stupid not to let current VZiP4 owners upgrade under some kind of "less-than-full-retail" deal. All of us on these forums really get into this stuff but I doubt the average consumer skipped on the VZiP4 planning instead of picking up a newer VZiP this summer. There just won't be that many people to buy a new VZiP this summer if they don't let current VZiP4 owners upgrade at some kind of discount over full retail, I think. No?
    02-14-2011 08:34 PM
  4. shipwrestler125's Avatar
    Well, you're right, I don't know for a fact, but do you really think it could cost less money (r&d, testing, etc.) to issue a completely redesigned new model than a refresh or upgrade/update of an existing one? I don't know. I would be really surprised.

    Yeah, very true about the Verizon Android phones, but there's only one model of the iPhone and Apple also has a huge say in what Verizon/AT&T do with it, moreso than the Android handset makers, I would imagine. I think if they released a new iPhone on Verizon this summer, they would be stupid not to let current VZiP4 owners upgrade under some kind of "less-than-full-retail" deal. All of us on these forums really get into this stuff but I doubt the average consumer skipped on the VZiP4 planning instead of picking up a newer VZiP this summer. There just won't be that many people to buy a new VZiP this summer if they don't let current VZiP4 owners upgrade at some kind of discount over full retail, I think. No?
    Yeah but the companies are already losing money when they give subsidies to allow customers to upgrade so if they gave people a discount for the iphone 4 and then do it again for the iphone 5 I dont think verizon wants to lose that money. Why do you think they changed the return window to 14 days, and also no more NE2 and yearly upgrades on 2 year contracts. Verizon already has people in with the iphone 4 I dont think they care if people ***** and moan they do that now with android phones so what makes this any different?
    02-14-2011 08:42 PM
  5. Entertainment72's Avatar
    There WILL be a NEW iPhone this coming summer, the iPhone 4 is OLD now get over it Verizon peeps! Since it first came out there has been a new iPhone EVERY YEAR, what don't you people understand, just because Verizon got in the game LATE doesn't mean the iPhone 4 is new to anyone. Have you not heared Apple's Cook speak on the subject? He said the reason they release the iPhone 4 on Verizon so late is because Verizon customers were dying for it, per Cook and Verizon's Chief Honcho!

    The iPhone 4 was released like clockwork JUST like the 3G and 3GS, just like the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 WILL BE this summer. Wether Verizon will get the new iPhone this summer like AT&T will () is up in the air, but rest assured there will be a new iPhone.
    Last edited by Entertainment72; 02-14-2011 at 08:48 PM.
    02-14-2011 08:42 PM
  6. reyxlp's Avatar
    There WILL be a NEW iPhone this coming summer, the iPhone 4 is OLD now get over it Verizon peeps! Since it first came out there has been a new iPhone EVERY YEAR, what don't you people understand, just because Verizon got in the game LATE doesn't mean the iPhone 4 is new to anyone. Have you not heared Apple's Cook speak on the subject? He said the reason they release the iPhone 4 on Verizon so late is because Verizon customers were dying for it, per Cook and Verizon's Chief Honcho!

    The iPhone 4 was released like clockwork JUST like the 3G and 3GS, just like the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 WILL BE this summer. Wether Verizon will get the new iPhone this summer like AT&T will () is up in the air, but rest assured there will be a new iPhone.
    Ah, yes, thanks for emphasizing your main points in caps so I and other Verizon users can understand better. We aren't very good at understanding lots of things, like how people kept using phones on a network that wasn't very good at reliably making calls.
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    02-14-2011 08:53 PM
  7. Totalimmortal363's Avatar
    Ha Verizon will always be behind on refreshes!

    I never lose calls, can't remember the last call I dropped. My data is faster and I get voice and data at the same time. Sorry, but the Verizon iPhone fails in my book
    02-14-2011 08:57 PM
  8. reyxlp's Avatar
    Glad to hear it. My friends still on AT&T iPhones here in NYC are very jealous of your experience. Simultaneous voice and data without needing WiFi is definitely a nice capability though personally I don't miss it. If someone is boring me enough on the phone that I need to go online while I talk to them, I'm totally comfortable just telling them I have to go, lol...

    All the data speed comparisons I've saw posted on CNET, BGR, Engadget, etc., however, show the Verizon iPhone getting faster data. :O

    (I know, I know - very mature, haha... Hey, sounds like we're both happy, you with your phone and me with mine, and that's what counts!)
    02-14-2011 09:06 PM
  9. shipwrestler125's Avatar
    Ha Verizon will always be behind on refreshes!

    I never lose calls, can't remember the last call I dropped. My data is faster and I get voice and data at the same time. Sorry, but the Verizon iPhone fails in my book
    Ha i love how the only thing at&t people say is voice and data at the same time. Usually when I am on the phone I actually want to talk to the person otherwise I will tell them I have to go and dont need to use data at the same time. But if thats what you want to cling to then by all means go ahead. But if you cant make a call majority of the time and drop calls whats the point of voice and data at the same time? smh
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    02-14-2011 09:10 PM
  10. Entertainment72's Avatar
    Ah, yes, thanks for emphasizing your main points in caps so I and other Verizon users can understand better. We aren't very good at understanding lots of things, like how people kept using phones on a network that wasn't very good at reliably making calls.
    I'm not foolish to believe AT&T is great for everyone as I am not foolish to believe Verizon is as well; but dayum son, when you have a connection and signal like this even the biggest Verizon fans can't blame me..




    Regardless, there will be a new iPhone this summer, bank on it.
    02-14-2011 09:28 PM
  11. D2TSHR1439's Avatar
    20 months. No more Early Upgrade (1 yr) on VZW. You could get a different phone like a droid or something on a 1 year plan with unlimited data if you are trying to get grandfathered in, if thats what you are trying to do anyways. I wish they offered 1 year on iPhones regardless of cost.
    02-14-2011 09:44 PM
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    I like the sense of comunity at forum.tipb.com

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    02-15-2011 07:57 AM
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    I like the sense of comunity at forum.tipb.com

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    02-15-2011 07:58 AM
  14. Garz's Avatar
    I do believe Vzn will get the iPhone 5 this summer with At&t. The same thing happened in Canada a couple of years ago. A carrier or two got it late in the year but got the new one a few months later. Apple releases iPhones by the country and not the carrier. Remember Tim Cook said vzn customers wanted it now. Thus, why they didnt wait until the i5 to release it
    02-16-2011 01:29 PM
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