1. slr_noob's Avatar
    I'm in the market for a iPhone 4 since my Blackberry Bold 9000 has a half-dead speaker (just decided to become half as loud for no apparent reason).

    I recently found out the iPhone 4 "retina" display is actually a IPS screen, which is cool. I have the unlimited data plan since the Bold so that's going to be awesome.

    On the other hand, however, I'm somewhat torn based on a suggestion that probably make sense (at least it does from a friend of mine). The question is if you never used data plan on a phone before, is it sensible to get a iPad with 3G instead of the iPhone 4? They both essentially do the same thing except the phone part of it. The iPad has a 4x bigger screen, so everything will look better depending on what your point of view is (user interface, certain videos, etc).

    What do you guys think? Your inputs are appreciated.
    12-01-2010 05:06 AM
  2. Alli's Avatar
    Whether or not you've used a data plan before is irrelevant - do you need a phone? If so, get the iPhone. If not, don't.
    12-01-2010 06:31 AM
  3. fubaracing7374's Avatar
    You'll love the iPhone!!!! Trust us...
    12-01-2010 06:51 AM
  4. porksoda's Avatar
    Whether or not you've used a data plan before is irrelevant - do you need a phone? If so, get the iPhone. If not, don't.
    +1

    iphone and ipad are not interchangeable devices in a sense that you cannot walk around with the ipad in your pocket or make calls from it easily.

    iphone is a fantastic convergence in technology which allows you to have your cake and eat it too (a phone, a full web experience and games and other goodies all in one small efficient package).

    p.s this is my first iphone as well just jumped over from the bb crowd had a 9700.
    12-01-2010 08:32 AM
  5. bamf-hacker's Avatar
    I have both, as a lot of users here do too, and I can tell you they are both great in their own rights. My iPad is WiFi. I did not find the need to get a 3G one since I am always around something with Wifi. If you need something I would get the phone first then get the iPad later on.
    12-01-2010 10:27 AM
  6. ChrisGonzales90's Avatar
    If you want a phone, then get the iphone. If not then don't. Data plans, like alli said have nothing to do with anything.
    12-01-2010 10:38 AM
  7. FunkyDog's Avatar
    Alli is right. Data plan has nothing to do with it. I jumped ship from a Storm2 to an iPhone4 and is still happy until today.
    Note that you will have to switch your data plans as your BlackBerry runs on BIS and operates on a different port. But you will realise that running data on an iPhone is much more convenient as it works on any generic UMA connection whereas the BlackBerry requires it to be connected to a BIS which is a pain in the arse at times, especially when you roam overseas and it may cost quite a lot.
    I'd stick with an iPhone rather than an iPad, as functionality is obviously there. You may also wish to invest in a MiFi device (like a Huawei E585) to have portable wifi wherever you go, and if you have this, you don't need an iPad with 3G anymore. This was on one of Verizon'd plans.
    Good luck and do post your decision.
    12-01-2010 12:14 PM
  8. slr_noob's Avatar
    That was a good call. Thanks.

    Now, does anyone know if there are pre-paid microSIM card in other countries? I somewhat doubt there is such thing, but I can still use my BB as a regular phone just in case (not intended to use with data).
    12-01-2010 12:50 PM
  9. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    FYI...you will not carry over the unlimited data plan when they set you up on the iPhone 4, as it has a totally different data plan (on paper anyways lol).

    But as was already said, if you need a phone, get the iPhone...im not a big iPad fan because it hasnt shown me it can do anything my iPhone cant and it hasnt shown me enough to replace either of my macs with so i personally go with the iPhone regardless.
    12-01-2010 12:53 PM
  10. BrindawithanI's Avatar
    FYI...you will not carry over the unlimited data plan when they set you up on the iPhone 4, as it has a totally different data plan (on paper anyways lol).
    Not sure what carriers you are all on, but AT&T carried over my unlimited data from BB to iPhone plan.
    12-01-2010 01:30 PM
  11. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    ^^^ Did you switch before the unlimited data plan was eliminated? I'm also with AT&T, my sister is as well, but had a BB curve with unlimited data, she went and bought an iPhone 4, and they specifically told her that the iPhone data plans are a completely separate entity and that the BB data plan does not grandfather you into the unlimited iPhone plan.

    This is not the only case i have heard of this, my wife actually was almost screwed over by this because she has both an iPhone and BB pearl with AT&T (for work purposes), they tried to transfer her BB account when we got our iP4's but thankfully she caught it and it wasnt processed.
    12-01-2010 01:54 PM
  12. slr_noob's Avatar
    ^^^ Did you switch before the unlimited data plan was eliminated? I'm also with AT&T, my sister is as well, but had a BB curve with unlimited data, she went and bought an iPhone 4, and they specifically told her that the iPhone data plans are a completely separate entity and that the BB data plan does not grandfather you into the unlimited iPhone plan.

    This is not the only case i have heard of this, my wife actually was almost screwed over by this because she has both an iPhone and BB pearl with AT&T (for work purposes), they tried to transfer her BB account when we got our iP4's but thankfully she caught it and it wasnt processed.
    That is interesting. Almost everywhere I go says I can keep the unlimited data plan. I'll have to ask again or else I may not go for the iPhone.
    Last edited by slr_noob; 12-01-2010 at 02:26 PM.
    12-01-2010 02:17 PM
  13. PwnCakes193's Avatar
    If you upgrade from the 9000 to the iPhone, you can keep the unlimited data. If you cut off your contract and then buy the iPhone, you can't.
    12-01-2010 02:35 PM
  14. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I'd simply try to do it before asking questions, its very possible that the few cases i've seen were simply ****** bag AT&T store employees trying to force the switch to the limited plan, no sense in bringing attention to it, perhaps that is where the issue takes place and they'll usually just switch the unlimited over no problem.
    12-01-2010 05:28 PM
  15. ebedoun's Avatar
    @SeanHRCC The unlimited plan will carry over from any smartphone on at&t. Wife and I both had BlackBerry devices and swapped to the iPhone 4 after the unlimited plan was gone....we still have unlimited.

    to the OP, wife and I both had the BlackBerry 9000, then the BlackBerry 9700 and now both have the iPhone 4. You will not be sorry you made the switch.

    Also you can buy a new midplate from cnn.cn for 13 bucks. It is super easy to replace and will fix your speaker issue. Not that I don't want to see you happy with an iPhone 4, but you may want to increase resale value or pass it on to a family member or a friend.
    12-01-2010 07:25 PM
  16. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Just going by what i was told/experienced...good for the OP that it works like that (hopefully).
    12-01-2010 10:07 PM
  17. ChrisGonzales90's Avatar
    FYI...you will not carry over the unlimited data plan when they set you up on the iPhone 4, as it has a totally different data plan (on paper anyways lol)..
    Yes you will. As long as you don't cancel you should be grandfathered in.

    Its nice to have unlimited data. Pay a bit more but don't have to worry about how much data you use. Since owning my EVO on the 5th of November I used 546,940Kb of data. Not sure how many MB that is, but it has to be a lot. Glad I don't have to worry about it. I just use it and forget it.
    12-02-2010 12:48 AM
  18. Alli's Avatar
    You can only be grandfathered in if you had the iPhone plan before. As SeanHRCC said, the iPhone plan and the Blackberry plan, even though costing the same and being unlimited, are apples and berries (so to speak), and not equal.
    12-02-2010 06:54 AM
  19. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Here's what i found on AT&T's website...

    We would like to begin by saying that current Smartphone customers are not required to switch to the new plans but can choose to do so without a contract extension. In addition, current Smartphone customers with the unlimited data plan are not required to switch to the new plans if they renew their contract or switch to another Smartphone; however, if you choose to change to one of the new lower-priced plans, you will not be able to go back to your unlimited plan in the future. All NEW activations or new-to-Smartphone upgrades must choose from the New Smartphone Data Plans.


    About the new plans:


    DataPlus 200 MB of data for $15 per month

    Designed for people who primarily surf the Web, send email, and use social networking apps.
    On average, 65% of AT&T Smartphone customers use less than 200 MB per month
    If you use more than 200 MB, you'll receive an additional 200 MB of data usage for $15, replenished as often as necessary during the billing cycle.
    Note: CRU customers are not eligible for the $15 DataPlus plan.

    DataPro 2 GB of data for $25 per month

    Designed for people who regularly download or stream music and video, or use other high bandwidth applications
    98% of AT&T Smartphone customers use less than 2 GB in a month on average
    If you exceed 2 GB, you'll get an additional 1 GB of data for only $10. Each time an additional 1 GB is used up during a cycle, you will automatically receive another 1 GB at the same low price.

    Unlimited Wi-Fi included in all plans

    Virtually all AT&T Smartphones come with Wi-Fi technology embedded inside. Wi-Fi generally provides consistently fast speeds and can be used in the home, at the office, or elsewhere when available without counting against your monthly data usage total. We also offer unlimited usage at more than 20,000 AT&T Hot Spots at no additional charge to Smartphone, netbook and laptop customers with qualifying data plans. Learn more about Wi-Fi at att.com/wifiaccess.


    Tethering Options

    Smartphone customers who choose the DataPro plan can add tethering for an additional $20 per month. With tethering, you can use your Smartphone as a modem to provide a broadband connection for laptop computers, netbooks, or other computing devices.

    For further information regarding the New Smartphone Data Plans and ways to manage you usage, please click here.
    But the thing is, upgrade eligibility is the ONLY way to do this, my sister's case was a little different, i remember she got an "early upgrade" price ($399 i believe) and this made her account "new", therefore not allowing her to grandfather her data plan over. It makes sense to me now...basically, you have to either pay full price or have a full upgrade eligibility to grandfather the data plan, all other people will be forced into the new tiered system.
    12-02-2010 07:34 AM
  20. BrindawithanI's Avatar
    Sean, I'd guess the "dbag" comment would apply. I definitely switched after the new data plans were in effect. ??? What you found on their website definitely supports your earlier statement. Maybe they've toughened their policy recently. It's BS if they did.
    12-02-2010 07:50 AM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Actually, what i found on that website supports what you all are saying.
    12-02-2010 07:55 AM
  22. cardfan's Avatar
    Yes you will. As long as you don't cancel you should be grandfathered in.

    Its nice to have unlimited data. Pay a bit more but don't have to worry about how much data you use. Since owning my EVO on the 5th of November I used 546,940Kb of data. Not sure how many MB that is, but it has to be a lot. Glad I don't have to worry about it. I just use it and forget it.
    You're not sure how many MB that is? Move the decimal to the left three times for an estimate. It's around 546 MB.

    Or .546 GB.
    12-02-2010 08:57 AM
  23. ItnStln's Avatar
    FYI...you will not carry over the unlimited data plan when they set you up on the iPhone 4, as it has a totally different data plan (on paper anyways lol).

    But as was already said, if you need a phone, get the iPhone...im not a big iPad fan because it hasnt shown me it can do anything my iPhone cant and it hasnt shown me enough to replace either of my macs with so i personally go with the iPhone regardless.
    I was thinking about switching to the iPhone4 too, until I read this...does anyone else have more information on this?
    12-02-2010 12:23 PM
  24. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    ^^^ It is what i have experienced but from the AT&T website, it should not be the policy...you "should" be able to carry over the unlimited plan regardless of what smart phone you decide to use. Now whether or not that actually happens, that is all up to who you deal with, the people ive seen have not been so fortunate...
    12-02-2010 12:54 PM
  25. ChrisGonzales90's Avatar
    When in doubt just ask to speak with their supervisor. If your calm, clear and to the point you may get your way.
    12-02-2010 12:56 PM
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