1. Skullhead69's Avatar
    My company is making us go to Blackberry and will be sending me an AT&T Blackberry. I currently have an AT&T iPhone 4 jailbroken and unlocked. Aside from the mini/micro SIM aspect of it, can I get my iPhone to work on a BB plan? I have a SIM cutter ordered and in the mail. Will I be able to just pop the BB sim into my i4 and use it? I DO NOT want to have to get rid of my i4 and go back to a BB and don't want to have to pay for and carry another phone. There's gotta be a way to make it work. Right?
    08-11-2010 12:13 AM
  2. Duvi's Avatar
    You can make it work, but if your company is "making" you, I'm sure
    you'll have to get permission first as it could be grounds for termination
    using unauthorized equipment for something they're paying for.
    08-11-2010 12:20 AM
  3. Skullhead69's Avatar
    Making = they are only paying for a BB plan, not iPhone, and want the BB to be able to access thier VPN, which I don't care to have. I can teather my iPhone to my laptop with MyWi and get my email when I want. Will the data and such work on that BB plan / SIM if my i4 is unlocked? They won't terminate me for using another device but they won't switch my plan to an iPhone plan even though it's all ATT.
    08-11-2010 12:25 AM
  4. sting7k's Avatar
    AT&T could alert the account owner that someone is using an iPhone with the incorrect data plan as you are required to have the correct data plan for each smart phone. Also what if a co-worker sends you a BBM?
    08-11-2010 12:30 AM
  5. Skullhead69's Avatar
    I have heard that they could automatically switch you to an iPhone plan if they "detect" that which I would love! As, I cannot change a corporate plan w/o the password. As far as BBM, I don't get the diff between that and text. My boss knows I'm trying to do this and is ok with it. I think I'd just have to tell everyone to text me as opposed to BBM me, right? What's the BBM vs text thing?
    08-11-2010 12:37 AM
  6. sting7k's Avatar
    BBM pretty much just BB's own text/IM application that is strictly BB to BB.

    I would be more concerned with AT&T. They are going to know you are using the iPhone with the wrong data plan instantly. They may let your company know and it's up to the company to decide what to do. If they do nothing and let you go that still does not satisfy AT&T's requirement and they may just turn off the data until you get the right plan on the account.
    08-11-2010 12:41 AM
  7. Skullhead69's Avatar
    Even if the i4 is unlocked, they'll know?!
    08-11-2010 12:47 AM
  8. sting7k's Avatar
    Even if the i4 is unlocked, they'll know?!
    Unlocked has nothing to do with that. Every phone has it's own ID called an IMEI number, AT&T will know you are using an iPhone as soon as you connect to their network and are not using an iPhone data plan.
    08-11-2010 12:49 AM
  9. Skullhead69's Avatar
    Come on Cydia app nerds...make an IMEI faker app ASAP!!! I'm counting on you boys!!!


    ....I just want the BB that they send me's IMEI to show up and not the i4 I'm using. Nothing stolen folks!!! All mine!
    Last edited by Skullhead69; 08-11-2010 at 01:15 AM.
    08-11-2010 12:53 AM
  10. zhelf's Avatar
    Come on Cydia app nerds...make an IMEI faker app ASAP!!! I'm counting on you boys!!!


    ....I just want the BB that they send me's IMEI to show up and not the i4 I'm using. Nothing stolen folks!!! All mine!
    while your not trying to do anything illegal i understand your problem but imei's are each unique to the device its not a model number but a serial number so you would have to steal someones serial number so apps like this could have serious ramifications in terms of legality. (again i know you are not trying to do this.)

    1. At&t wont do anything about this unless you start using vast amounts of data. i have used unlocked tmobile android devices on my Blackberry plan on AT&T (personal) and never had any issues or recieved notices from AT&T and have used my 9000 bold on my iphone plan. The only time the imei is noticed is when you want AT&T to have the correct data on their end. Never missed a call/text/or data outage for using a different device than what was registered to the account since i have unlimited messaging/data

    2. Phone does not need to be unlocked/jailbroken since that only affects your phones software not the network. unless you were trying to go to t-mobile.

    3. if your boss is ok with you using your iphone on their plan what is the issue all the data plans are the same price unless they are trying to force you to use the 200mb plan which would suck.

    4. BBM uses a pin unique to each BB so it is like an im/text program built in that uses the data plan great because it can be used over wifi in low coverage areas but no different than texting BB addicts just like it, you can do groups but not really a revolutionary feature there.

    Honestly theres only 2 approaches to take go to the higher ups state the case and save them the money from buying you a blackberry, or just put the sim in since nothing will change on AT&T's end as long as you stay within messaging and data limits i cannot foresee an issue and have them just email you instead of BBM. good luck
    08-11-2010 03:09 AM
  11. Skullhead69's Avatar
    while your not trying to do anything illegal i understand your problem but imei's are each unique to the device its not a model number but a serial number so you would have to steal someones serial number so apps like this could have serious ramifications in terms of legality. (again i know you are not trying to do this.)

    1. At&t wont do anything about this unless you start using vast amounts of data. i have used unlocked tmobile android devices on my Blackberry plan on AT&T (personal) and never had any issues or recieved notices from AT&T and have used my 9000 bold on my iphone plan. The only time the imei is noticed is when you want AT&T to have the correct data on their end. Never missed a call/text/or data outage for using a different device than what was registered to the account since i have unlimited messaging/data

    2. Phone does not need to be unlocked/jailbroken since that only affects your phones software not the network. unless you were trying to go to t-mobile.

    3. if your boss is ok with you using your iphone on their plan what is the issue all the data plans are the same price unless they are trying to force you to use the 200mb plan which would suck.

    4. BBM uses a pin unique to each BB so it is like an im/text program built in that uses the data plan great because it can be used over wifi in low coverage areas but no different than texting BB addicts just like it, you can do groups but not really a revolutionary feature there.

    Honestly theres only 2 approaches to take go to the higher ups state the case and save them the money from buying you a blackberry, or just put the sim in since nothing will change on AT&T's end as long as you stay within messaging and data limits i cannot foresee an issue and have them just email you instead of BBM. good luck
    Thank you! We'll see how it goes when they send it to me and I pop it in. My boss has said they have restricted what apps he can download on his Curve (no Pandora) with a message stating something about that app using up too much bandwith. He's thinking about asking if he can pay for an upgraded data plan because of this. I appreciate all the help! Have a good one
    08-11-2010 11:50 AM
  12. mg48's Avatar
    I have a corp provided BB that I have been pulling the sim card out of and putting it in my iphone for 1 1/2 yrs now. I use the BB weeks days 8-5 and iphone most nights and weekends. No one has ever been the wiser. Unitl I went on vacation. A one week of vacation was long enough for ATT to send an email to my corp IT team stating my acct was on the wrong plan and did they want to switch plans ot an iphone plan? Call ATT to resolve this issue... I just told them my BB battery had died and I needed to do some work and didnt want to burn someone elses data and minutes so I swapped sims cards until I was able to get the BB back up. They said "great idea" but dont make it a regular practice. I snickered and said OK. So now I make sure I get it back into the BB every 3 days for a while.
    08-11-2010 01:19 PM
  13. zhelf's Avatar
    Thank you! We'll see how it goes when they send it to me and I pop it in. My boss has said they have restricted what apps he can download on his Curve (no Pandora) with a message stating something about that app using up too much bandwith. He's thinking about asking if he can pay for an upgraded data plan because of this. I appreciate all the help! Have a good one
    sadly that sounds like they are using the minimalist 200mb data plan so you might want to stick with your own plan because you will probably eat through that 200mb very quickly.
    08-11-2010 02:58 PM
  14. Skullhead69's Avatar
    Dose Visual Voicemail work on the iPhone when you do that?
    08-11-2010 05:09 PM
  15. zhelf's Avatar
    Dose Visual Voicemail work on the iPhone when you do that?
    i have never used visual voicemail myself but it should if the feature is enabled on the account if im not mistaken does at&T still require a special feature for VVM? if it does and it is enabled then you will have no problem and if they do not require it then there is no problem.
    08-11-2010 11:42 PM
  16. Fausty82's Avatar
    I have a question. It sounds like you already have an iPhone with an iPhone data plan... who pays for that? If you have your own iPhone and are already paying for it yourself, what's the big deal with your boss handing you a BlackBerry that he is paying for?

    Yeah, as it sits now, you'll have to carry two devices, but you still have your iPhone, and your's still paying for it, just like before.

    Or are you trying to get your boss to pay for your iPhone usage? Not accusing, just trying to understand the facts...

    But I guarantee you that AT&T will notice the iPhone on the BB data plan and at least try to "fix" it...

    Also, once you have cut down the SIM to fit in the iPhone, how do you plan to use it in the BlackBerry when that is absolutely necessary?
    08-12-2010 01:38 AM
  17. jeffnucci's Avatar
    All this talk of data plans is all obsolete. Now its purely DataPro and DataPlus. it's not device specific anymore. I have a very good friend who works at AT&T. I have a BB Bold 9700, Samsung Galaxy S (refuse to call it the Captivate) and my iPhone 4. I swap my stuff all the time and AT&T doesn't notice.
    08-12-2010 05:58 AM
  18. Fausty82's Avatar
    All this talk of data plans is all obsolete. Now its purely DataPro and DataPlus. it's not device specific anymore. I have a very good friend who works at AT&T. I have a BB Bold 9700, Samsung Galaxy S (refuse to call it the Captivate) and my iPhone 4. I swap my stuff all the time and AT&T doesn't notice.
    There absolutely are differences in the data plans. Sure, there are two levels, DataPro (200MB/$15 mo) and DataPlus (2GB/$25 mo) plus the original unlimited (5GB/$30 mo)... but they are device specific.

    You cannot access any of the RIM servers or RIM server-based apps without a BlackBerry specific data plan. Period. The other phone types may bleed over between them, but for a BlackBerry device, a BlackBerry data plan is requred.

    Now, to say that AT&T "doesn't notice"... how do you know that? What you are really saying is that AT&T hasn't said anything TO YOU (yet) about the ongoing SIM swap... but those are two distinctly different statements ("AT&T doesn't notice" and "AT&T hasn't said anything to me yet").
    08-12-2010 02:57 PM
  19. noaim's Avatar
    if at&t detects the use of a iPhone on a bb data plan I think they will switch it
    08-12-2010 04:14 PM
  20. zhelf's Avatar
    There absolutely are differences in the data plans. Sure, there are two levels, DataPro (200MB/$15 mo) and DataPlus (2GB/$25 mo) plus the original unlimited (5GB/$30 mo)... but they are device specific.

    You cannot access any of the RIM servers or RIM server-based apps without a BlackBerry specific data plan. Period. The other phone types may bleed over between them, but for a BlackBerry device, a BlackBerry data plan is requred.

    Now, to say that AT&T "doesn't notice"... how do you know that? What you are really saying is that AT&T hasn't said anything TO YOU (yet) about the ongoing SIM swap... but those are two distinctly different statements ("AT&T doesn't notice" and "AT&T hasn't said anything to me yet").
    i think what the OP is simply trying to accomplish is avoiding carrying 2 devices since he needs to have his work line seems like he simply wanted to consolidate.

    your correct they could have noticed my sim swapping but if they dont want to tell me to stop then it doesnt bother me since i have the highest available data and i dont use excessive amounts of data less than 500mb a month so if they switched for it me wouldnt have been an issue, but i monitor my account regularly and they never would change the data plan was my point. i should have clarified because you are right i do not know for sure if they notice the swapping.
    08-13-2010 12:54 AM
  21. tkao2025's Avatar
    My question is why would AT&T care as long as you are paying? It's not like they make more money on Iphone data than Blackberry data as long as the 200mb and 2gb plans are in place. When you go over they simply charge extra.

    Does it cost more to the carriers if one keeps switching phones?
    08-13-2010 12:39 PM
  22. newiphoneuser's Avatar
    i only read the first page of this post but here is my answer,

    your company will definitely know youre using the iphone if they use BES which i assume they do because you wont show up for them since they control all phones assigned to the BES.

    If your company is paying for the 200mb/month plan which is a lot for blackberry, and you use more, which you are likely to do with an iphone because it is a data hog, you will get in trouble.

    third, if your iphone uses push notifications and you are on the blackberry data it wont work correctly, specifically the facebook app. email probably will work correctly, but others might not.

    finally, at&t will most likely NOT switch you to the iphone data plan because you use the iphone. The mandatory data plan switching works only if you dont have a data plan at all. I have used a blackberry data plan with iphone before and it was okay. But i dont know the policy for enterprise accounts.
    Last edited by newiphoneuser; 08-13-2010 at 01:15 PM.
    08-13-2010 01:09 PM
  23. i420masta's Avatar
    WTF Seriously if you wernt such a dam skullhead you'd have figured it out a long time ago. The Problems not with cydia its with you and if you would take the 5 maybe 10 minuets you would have to waste people time on you Like i said problems not with cydia what you need to do:

    1. turn airplane mode on and wifi On
    1.5 get on wifi
    2. go to unlockit.co.nz/
    3. Continue>Custom APN> (under carrier drop down scrool box at the very bottom is the us providers select ATT
    4 Done Easy

    theres no diverance between a blackberry data plan/ipone data plan/pda data plan for att it makes no difference to the phone its just what company ends up getting the green, (and they all have too much!!!)

    I Know Have an ancient BB $10 Unlimited DAta Myself
    08-15-2010 12:56 AM
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