1. cardfan's Avatar
    Why would you hold a press conference to announce free bumpers? That's just retarded.
    Apple holds a press conference for a lot of things :P
    07-15-2010 11:35 AM
  2. noaim's Avatar
    But why do they need to admit it? A lot of
    people seem to think admitting it will help
    the issue. If people are having issues with
    their current iPhone antennas due to hard-
    ware, then I don't see how saying "we effed
    up" is really going to help IMO.

    How about the majority who do not have an
    issue with it... admitting there is a problem
    may put thoughts in their heads as well. I
    don't have an reception/antenna issue, so
    how about us?
    its principal when someone messes something up they should admit it not lie about it it wrecks there image as a company
    07-15-2010 11:38 AM
  3. OTACORB's Avatar
    When did they lie?

    What exactly have they said that could be considered a lie?
    When your CEO tells you that it is just the way you are holding the phone, failing to acknowledge what has been repeatedly proven over and over, then you are majorily in denial or lying.

    If it makes you feel better to say they are in denial then so be it. I think otherwise.
    07-15-2010 11:45 AM
  4. cardfan's Avatar
    But why do they need to admit it? A lot of
    people seem to think admitting it will help
    the issue. If people are having issues with
    their current iPhone antennas due to hard-
    ware, then I don't see how saying "we effed
    up" is really going to help IMO.

    How about the majority who do not have an
    issue with it... admitting there is a problem
    may put thoughts in their heads as well. I
    don't have an reception/antenna issue, so
    how about us?
    Because it doesn't matter if you or the majority doesn't let this issue bother you. The fact remains that this has gone mainstream and is a problem for Apple.

    Most PR experts will say admitting the problem is the first obvious step. There's nothing worse than for those having the problem to see a company just ignoring or denying it.

    The next obvious step is offering a suitable solution. Of course noone but Apple has a clue what that might be. But i would think that Apple would want to go beyond "suitable" (but not a recall) so as not to cause any further damage to their ONE brand that is worth billions.
    07-15-2010 11:47 AM
  5. marketsqhero's Avatar
    When your CEO tells you that it is just the way you are holding the phone, failing to acknowledge what has been repeatedly proven over and over, then you are majorily in denial or lying.

    If it makes you feel better to say they are in denial then so be it. I think otherwise.
    This is what Apple said:

    Gripping any mobile phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas

    That's not a lie, that's fact.

    It IS the way you're holding the phone, hold it differently and it doesn't happen, that's also fact.

    Seems you can't tell the difference between facts and lies...
    07-15-2010 11:52 AM
  6. OTACORB's Avatar
    This is what Apple said:

    Gripping any mobile phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas

    That's not a lie, that's fact.

    It IS the way you're holding the phone, hold it differently and it doesn't happen, that's also fact.

    Seems you can't tell the difference between facts and lies...
    I can grip my iPhone 3GS and I don't see this problem, so YES it is a lie. To say that ANY mobile phone will results in some attenuation is just not true. You might want to believe this crap, but most of us that have enough sense to know and have tested this out, do not!
    07-15-2010 11:54 AM
  7. scottdoc718's Avatar
    I can grip my iPhone 3GS and I don't see this problem, so YES it is a lie. To say that ANY mobile phone will results in some attenuation is just not true. You might want to believe this crap, but most of us that have enough sense to know and have tested this out, do not!
    I imagine that, unless you have it in a vacuum, any time you touch any phone you will get some attenuation. Its just a matter of how much. And also how you measure it. It may be so small that you dont notice any bars changing.
    07-15-2010 11:59 AM
  8. cardfan's Avatar
    I can grip my iPhone 3GS and I don't see this problem, so YES it is a lie. To say that ANY mobile phone will results in some attenuation is just not true. You might want to believe this crap, but most of us that have enough sense to know and have tested this out, do not!
    Actually i think there's truth to it. It just varies on where you hold the device or how much attenuation you lose. In the iphone 4's case, it's just really easy to do and the loss is more significant.
    07-15-2010 12:01 PM
  9. big9erfan's Avatar
    BS, not everyone has to read this from the media to know these to be true, unless you are just a totally blind Apple fanatic, in which case they could never do any wrong!
    Wow...Did Apple **** in your wheaties or something? Calm down.
    07-15-2010 12:02 PM
  10. OTACORB's Avatar
    I imagine that, unless you have it in a vacuum, any time you touch any phone you will get some attenuation. Its just a matter of how much. And also how you measure it. It may be so small that you dont notice any bars changing.
    As opposed to the iPhone 4 and the signal just dies in fringe areas and show a marked reduction even in some higher signal areas. Folks have tried to replicate this with many other phones and simply can't do it to the level of the iPhone 4. So slight vs what is happening on the iPhone 4 are two different things and it is still just Apple way of trying to minimize.

    Like I said.. lie/deny use whatever word you want.
    07-15-2010 12:02 PM
  11. marketsqhero's Avatar
    They haven't denied it, they haven't lied about it, they've stated facts, something which you seem to have trouble comprehending.
    07-15-2010 12:06 PM
  12. BLiNK's Avatar
    07-15-2010 12:10 PM
  13. OTACORB's Avatar
    Wow...Did Apple **** in your wheaties or something? Calm down.
    They haven't denied it, they haven't lied about it, they've stated facts, something which you seem to have trouble comprehending.
    No because I have a strong opinion means Apple pissed in my Wheaties, imagine that. I am very calm, but thanks for your concern!

    I see their announcement as denial and an attempt to minimize this situation. PERIOD! That is my opinion, but may disagree and that is fine. But I've seen nothing to change my opinion at this point. Maybe Friday will be the day that I will.
    07-15-2010 12:36 PM
  14. tommyb_23's Avatar
    Why dont all of you stop complaining and return the phone? Stop whinning we are tired of hearing it return the phone, buy a android phone, join a android community and leave us all alone finally!!!!!
    07-15-2010 01:12 PM
  15. Fausty82's Avatar
    What if...

    Jobs walks out in front of the press and... announces the iPod Touch refresh?

    It could happen
    07-15-2010 01:46 PM
  16. fresh1's Avatar
    Because it doesn't matter if you or the majority doesn't let this issue bother you. The fact remains that this has gone mainstream and is a problem for Apple.

    Most PR experts will say admitting the problem is the first obvious step. There's nothing worse than for those having the problem to see a company just ignoring or denying it.

    The next obvious step is offering a suitable solution. Of course noone but Apple has a clue what that might be. But i would think that Apple would want to go beyond "suitable" (but not a recall) so as not to cause any further damage to their ONE brand that is worth billions.
    Exactly.... This has gone mainstream and Apple does have to make some sorta statement ( from a PR prespective they cant just not say anything.. Hence the press conference they called for tomorrow )..

    I dont think there will be a FULL BLOWN recall ( where they scrap the i4 attena design and go with something completely different), and at this point ( as you said) Apple is the only one knows whats going to happen .

    I would be willing to bet that they have some sorta Non Conductive coating that they will apply to the attena band on all future batches of iphone 4 .. I am not sure how they will work out the logistics on the over 2 million iphone 4's that they have already sold..( maybe some sorta trade in for peeps that already have a i4 i dunno)..

    We shall see whats going to be in less than 24 hrs ...



    Fresh1
    Last edited by fresh1; 07-15-2010 at 05:22 PM.
    07-15-2010 02:50 PM
  17. Rock48nj's Avatar
    Its not just about addressing the issue because its being reported in the MSM, Apple is a public company and as such, is expected to follow guidelines set forth from regulatory bodies (i.e., the SEC). There may be some requirements of disclosure if there is in fact a problem that their lawyers feel is material to the company.
    07-15-2010 03:03 PM
  18. Hack-My-i's Avatar
    there is wayyyyy tooooooooo manyyyyyyyyyyy APPLE FANBOYS in here and NOT ENOUGH REALIST... i frankly dont give a flying f*** who lied or what! The fact that the matter is, Apple has a major issue on their hands with the antenna and proximity sensor issues so they need to fix it whether its a recall or whatever, just fix it!! Simple as that!!
    07-15-2010 03:15 PM
  19. OTACORB's Avatar
    Why dont all of you stop complaining and return the phone? Stop whinning we are tired of hearing it return the phone, buy a android phone, join a android community and leave us all alone finally!!!!!
    You wait on that biggun! LOL

    You know I read through all this and I don't see anyone complaining. I see folks being real about the issues that are impacting their phones. Since when is discussing issues complaining. Are you one of those blind Apple fan boys that because you can't seem to recreate the issues that means everyone else should just go to hell. Not going to happen!
    07-15-2010 03:23 PM
  20. Hack-My-i's Avatar
    You wait on that biggun! LOL

    You know I read through all this and I don't see anyone complaining. I see folks being real about the issues that are impacting their phones. Since when is discussing issues complaining. Are you one of those blind Apple fan boys that because you can't seem to recreate the issues that means everyone else should just go to hell. Not going to happen!
    EXACTLY SO!!!! too many of them on here... ppl need to be real and get off their knees!!
    07-15-2010 03:28 PM
  21. Moonbase0ne's Avatar
    Why dont all of you stop complaining and return the phone? Stop whinning we are tired of hearing it return the phone, buy a android phone, join a android community and leave us all alone finally!!!!!
    If so many people didn't "complain", as you put it, Apple would probably take even longer to address, and work out a fix for the issue. So, I am glad people who aren't happy with "just hold it different" for an answer are making alittle noise about an obvious issue that many people are having.
    07-15-2010 03:50 PM
  22. BuddhistGirafe's Avatar
    Why is denying it so important when you have people constantly testing it and proving they are aren't be honest. From a consumer point of view, I'd prefer them to just acknowledge it and then give some solution for it.

    If you aren't having the issue, then why would you care that they admit it, if you aren't being impacted. You just don't need to worry about applying the solution.

    So, you are advocating that they should just continue to lie?
    This is the issue with media today. This reception issue is being blown WAY out of proportion. There are very few users who are experiencing this issue. If they come out and say, oh hey.. issue. Then those consumers who are not experiencing issues may start to worry and return phones and what not.
    07-15-2010 04:02 PM
  23. marketsqhero's Avatar
    there is wayyyyy tooooooooo manyyyyyyyyyyy APPLE FANBOYS in here and NOT ENOUGH REALIST... i frankly dont give a flying f*** who lied or what! The fact that the matter is, Apple has a major issue on their hands with the antenna and proximity sensor issues so they need to fix it whether its a recall or whatever, just fix it!! Simple as that!!
    See I look at your sig and see you have 2 iPhones and an iPad, you have a petition to get customization, you're complaining about issues, and yet you still don't take your iPhone4 back for a refund?

    Who's the fanboy?

    If I was as unhappy as you I'd be off to a different company, why do you stick around fanboy?
    07-15-2010 04:59 PM
  24. OTACORB's Avatar
    This is the issue with media today. This reception issue is being blown WAY out of proportion. There are very few users who are experiencing this issue. If they come out and say, oh hey.. issue. Then those consumers who are not experiencing issues may start to worry and return phones and what not.
    I am sorry, but I disagree that this issue has been hyped. I think it has gotten the EXACT attention it deserves! I also don't buy the argument that there are few users who are experiencing this issue. I think there are a lot of users that aren't in and travel in fringe areas where this issue could present itself as a problem. If I lived in an area where the signal was rock solid all the time, I'd probably be saying OH I don't have this problem. But that sure and hell doesn't mean there aren't a lot of others that do.

    If consumers as you say don't have the problem and aren't bothered, then I don't see them returning the phone just because Apple admits to there being a problem. Especially if they say what you said, that this doesn't impact everyone and for those it does here is your solution.
    07-15-2010 07:14 PM
  25. Duvi's Avatar
    Why is denying it so important when you have people constantly testing it and proving they are aren't be honest. From a consumer point of view, I'd prefer them to just acknowledge it and then give some solution for it.

    If you aren't having the issue, then why would you care that they admit it, if you aren't being impacted. You just don't need to worry about applying the solution.

    So, you are advocating that they should just continue to lie?
    Same to you... if they "fix" it, why do they
    need to admit there is an issue. More people
    don't have the issue than those who do. If
    you have an issue, you have the right to
    return it, which most aren't taking advantage
    and want to complain, whine and moan for
    something they can easily return.

    Why are they lying? How are they lying? How
    do they explain why for the "majority", it isn't
    an issue? Obviously those with the issue are
    still keeping the device, so even if there is
    an issue, why would they admit it?

    You would feel better if they did admit it and
    I would feel better if they didn't. Why
    should Apple choose your side over mine?
    Are you more important to Apple than I am?

    Sorry, thought I had sent this earlier.
    07-15-2010 08:18 PM
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