1. KingofHeart4711's Avatar
    I KNEW IT! I had a 3GS for a couple of months before I got the IP4 and This was a theory of mine for a while. While at my desk it would display 3G service with 3 bars yet Downloading things would take about 5 times longer then they did when I would be downstairs with full bars. I was thinking that there was no way that a couple bars would cause my DLs to decrease THAT much. So like I suspected they have been simply lying about the signal strength. This really is disappointing. They cant just say "our bad" about this. They have known what they were doing im sure. They just made a mistake somewhere on the iP4 that exposed them so they are coming clean and making it look like they just now noticed it. BS. One of the many reasons I came to ATT was I thought the signal at my desk was better then TMO which would go into sos constantly. I just dont appreciate being deceived this way.
    07-02-2010 06:59 PM
  2. Hack-My-i's Avatar
    This is starting to sound like a scandal!
    07-02-2010 07:05 PM
  3. lungho's Avatar
    wowwwwww this explains everything... i had all my bars and still drop calls like crazy!

    This pic would be better if you had a ship stenciled with "Made in China" on it....or something similar. It's funny because it's true.
    07-02-2010 08:52 PM
  4. Hack-My-i's Avatar
    This pic would be better if you had a ship stenciled with "Made in China" on it....or something similar. It's funny because it's true.
    funny cause the green containers are from "CHINA SHIPPING CO" lol
    07-02-2010 09:47 PM
  5. dmiller428's Avatar
    Honestly, I almost always used a set of earphones with a mic with my 3g, so I never had to hold it in my hand to talk (I live in Brooklyn where phone snatching is a very common occurrence) and as soon as my IP4 came out of the box, I slapped a silicone case on it and a pair of earphones with a mic. That being said, I've always had pretty good to excellent service all over NYC, so I am not rushing to return my iP4, which is a HUGE improvement over my 3g. Perhaps the jump from the 3gs to the IP4 is not as signigficant, so these issues seem so much severe?
    07-03-2010 12:37 AM
  6. Jellotime91's Avatar
    This statement is such bull****.
    They are blatantly ignoring the fact that many users can PAUSE the loading of data simply by placing their fingers over the black bar between the antennae...

    This is pissing me off. The more Apple talks about this issue, the more ignorant and rude they appear.
    07-03-2010 12:55 AM
  7. Mustang5Oh's Avatar
    I think that the update will address the baseband switching issue personally and that it will also show signal more accurately. I haven't had a dropped call yet other then when driving through a small spot around where I live that has no signal.
    07-03-2010 02:21 AM
  8. tkao2025's Avatar
    I have not had issue with dropped calls or signal strength. Having said this, I think it's a bug in iOS4 as when I first updated my 3Gs with iOS4, I had fluctuations in 3G strength, which I never had before. Perhaps it's the way iOS4 measures signal strength?

    Why do some people insist that it has to be a hardware/design issue? I have not had this problem and a lot of other people don't either. If it is a hardware issue, it must be down to certain batches in production.
    07-03-2010 08:56 AM
  9. big9erfan's Avatar
    While the reported signal will change with the next update everyone has to understand that the underlying issue is still due to the design and location of the antennas. Having them where they are allows users to easily bridge two together causing problems. No software update is going to have much of an effect on that.
    07-03-2010 10:41 AM
  10. bergman's Avatar
    I've covered the "gap" using clear package tape; about 1". I think I see somewhat less attenuation. I'm one of the "lucky" people who lives in a fringe signal area so my phone is very affected. I'm curious if others have found workarounds. Bumpers and cases are unacceptable as I use an in car holder that will not accommodate a case.
    07-03-2010 10:56 AM
  11. ghostface147's Avatar
    Why do some people insist that it has to be a hardware/design issue?

    Because the cold, hard facts deem it so. It's simple physics. You cannot alter physics with a software patch. There are other factors at play like general coverage and natural human conductivity. You happen to live in a good coverage area and you and the others you say don't have the problem aren't very electrifying at all.
    07-03-2010 11:10 AM
  12. BLiNK's Avatar
    it's funny how a month ago i was pissed about my upgrade being a while away, and now...
    i think i might be waiting for the next release

    i refuse to have to by a bumper, even though some look amazing, in order for the device to work properly

    surely Apple will get it straight by then, won't they?
    07-03-2010 03:14 PM
  13. Hack-My-i's Avatar
    If it's hardware as most of us think it is...think they do a recall??
    07-03-2010 03:17 PM
  14. BLiNK's Avatar
    also, IF there indeed is a flaw on Apple's end, does this mean people should lighten up on AT&T?
    07-03-2010 03:20 PM
  15. big9erfan's Avatar
    There will be no recall. Looking at Apples statement it should be fairly obvious lol. It's an interesting design but you can guarantee that next year the iPhone 5 won't look like the 4.
    07-03-2010 03:26 PM
  16. Fausty82's Avatar
    So here's a question for you all (and remember, I have an iPhone and an iPod Touch and a Mac (mini) and an AppleTV)...

    With all of this uproar over the antenna design and hardware issues, is it remotely possible that Apple has always been the cause of the problems and that AT&T has just been getting a bum rap?

    * running and hiding in my bomb shelter to avoid the fallout *
    07-03-2010 03:50 PM
  17. dmiller428's Avatar
    So here's a question for you all (and remember, I have an iPhone and an iPod Touch and a Mac (mini) and an AppleTV)...

    With all of this uproar over the antenna design and hardware issues, is it remotely possible that Apple has always been the cause of the problems and that AT&T has just been getting a bum rap?

    * running and hiding in my bomb shelter to avoid the fallout *

    LOL!!! Perhaps, it could be apple, but I think it depends on
    where you live. I don't have issues with AT&T service in NYC or my IP4 performance. When I had TMobile, I drop calls like bad habits. Now, its only in the subway or on elevators that I drop calls...
    07-03-2010 05:51 PM
  18. taylorh's Avatar
    This was a comment post on a Yahoo new article:
    Apple 'stunned' to find flaw in iPhone 4 - Yahoo! News

    Wow. This is some pretty serious propaganda perpetrated upon the American psyche. It reminds me of those TV commercials for cigarettes from the seventies. Apple's iPhone is apparently NOT the signal-dropping hunk of glitzy $h!t that everybody knows it is; in fact, it is actually YOUR FAULT that the signal drops, because you're HOLDING IT WRONG!

    So then a week goes by, which is enough time for at least ONE iPhone owner to begin to learn to think for himself, and he - still groggy from his Apple-hysteria induced drooling coma - asks, "But shouldn't you have designed a phone that doesn't DO that? And why do NO OTHER PHONE HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS AGREE WITH YOU that it's common on all phones?"

    Apple scrambles for a moment, trying to, in their own panicky way, figure out how to come back from that question. Then some little college-boy suit gets a bright idea: "Hey! Steve, my master, my lover, my god, my one and only, how about this: How about we tell them that the little indicator that shows the iPhone users their signal is dropping be questioned? How about we suggest that a software glitch is responsible for the bars disappearing, and that their signal is just as good as it always was?"

    At this point, AT&T stands up and says, "Uh, but your signal is NOT good, and never WAS good. It has always sucked, and 79% of all the signal-related complaints we get are from iPhone users."

    Jobs takes a sip of his caramel macchiato and purrs, "Then we tell them the truth. We tell them that their signal does suck, and that the bars have, in fact, been telling them that the signal is higher than it actually is."

    Now the room is silent. people are thinking, "How will that help us sell more iPhones?" So the college aged suit says, "Uh... okay, but... how is that good for us? In other words, how will we get people to restore their faith in our product?"

    Jobs interlocks his fingers and grins. "Simple," he says, "we increase the size of the lower three bars so they look bigger. If they look bigger on the screen, psychologially, people will assume that the phone's signal is stronger. And it's like the seashell phenomenon: if enough folks tell you that they can hear the sound of the ocean when they listen to a seashell, the next time you pick one up, you might hear it, too."

    And the table erupts in cheers and confetti.
    07-03-2010 08:48 PM
  19. taylorh's Avatar
    Here's a history lesson for everyone:
    Two years ago I got the iPhone 3G. Promptly the internets filled with complains that "The iPhone 3G gets less bars than all of my other phones." People showed photos and youtube videos of the iPhone getting 2 bars where other phones see 4 or 5 bars. Pundits told them "relax, that means nothing, all phones calculate bars differently."
    So Apple issued software update version 2.01 (I believe) and suddenly everyone was seeing 4-5 bars where they previously saw 2. "I see much better reception with the new update" people reported.
    The "smart ones" turned on the field test app and quickly proved that Apple simply re-mapped the bars. The phone still got the same db of reception but now reported more bars for less db of reception.

    It was a snow job, but it shut everyone up.

    Flash forward to iPhone 4. Now people show how easy it is to go from 5 to 1 bar and Apple says "We were stunned to find out we were calculating bars incorrectly."
    Stunned, I say? My you have a short memory. This is an intentional thing you did 2 years ago to fool us all. Now you want to reprogram the bars and make the little bars bigger to fool us again?
    But I'm sure it'll work. They know the majority of iPhone customers are not very sophisticated and won't know the difference.

    What kills me is that their PR actually said they were stunned in this dramatic fashion as to "act" all surprised. If your were this oblivious to the mapping of the bars to signal, then you must be completely oblivious to the actual testing and RF reception. You're admitting you know nothing, period.

    I find it comical that their fix is to make the smallest bars taller.

    I don't know whether to return the iPhone out of spite and anger, or hang on to it because I truly believe there really isn't much of a reception issue per-se, as long as you don't make physical contact with the antenna (with a bumper.)
    I should rephrase that... I should say the reception isn't worse than the iPhone 3GS for which I've come accustom to dealing with. At least not in my limited use of the phone since I got it.
    Last edited by taylorh; 07-03-2010 at 09:02 PM.
    07-03-2010 08:56 PM
  20. theogt's Avatar
    Here's a history lesson for everyone:
    Two years ago I got the iPhone 3G. Promptly the internets filled with complains that "The iPhone 3G gets less bars than all of my other phones." People showed photos and youtube videos of the iPhone getting 2 bars where other phones see 4 or 5 bars. Pundits told them "relax, that means nothing, all phones calculate bars differently."
    So Apple issued software update version 2.01 (I believe) and suddenly everyone was seeing 4-5 bars where they previously saw 2. "I see much better reception with the new update" people reported.
    The "smart ones" turned on the field test app and quickly proved that Apple simply re-mapped the bars. The phone still got the same db of reception but now reported more bars for less db of reception.

    It was a snow job, but it shut everyone up.

    Flash forward to iPhone 4. Now people show how easy it is to go from 5 to 1 bar and Apple says "We were stunned to find out we were calculating bars incorrectly."
    Stunned, I say? My you have a short memory. This is an intentional thing you did 2 years ago to fool us all. Now you want to reprogram the bars and make the little bars bigger to fool us again?
    But I'm sure it'll work. They know the majority of iPhone customers are not very sophisticated and won't know the difference.

    What kills me is that their PR actually said they were stunned in this dramatic fashion as to "act" all surprised. If your were this oblivious to the mapping of the bars to signal, then you must be completely oblivious to the actual testing and RF reception. You're admitting you know nothing, period.

    I find it comical that their fix is to make the smallest bars taller.

    I don't know whether to return the iPhone out of spite and anger, or hang on to it because I truly believe there really isn't much of a reception issue per-se, as long as you don't make physical contact with the antenna (with a bumper.)
    I should rephrase that... I should say the reception isn't worse than the iPhone 3GS for which I've come accustom to dealing with. At least not in my limited use of the phone since I got it.
    Quoted for truth. I bought a 3G on launch and an iPhone 4 on launch. They're just reversing the "fix" that occurred two years ago. This company is scamming us. I love the product, but this fix is just a scam. The problem isn't signal attenuation. The problem is shorting the two antennas. Again, the problem occurs when you "short" the two antennas. That is a design flaw -- and it's a design flaw that is easily fixed.

    Fortunately for me, this doesn't affect my signal that much. But it does when I already have low signal and that is a problem. Other than the issue of "shorting" the two antennas, the phone is the most amazing handheld device I've ever seen. But that's like saying, other than the occasional circumstance where my brakes don't work, my Ferrari is amazing!
    Last edited by theogt; 07-04-2010 at 04:49 AM.
    07-04-2010 04:43 AM
  21. p8ntball8's Avatar
    So here's a question for you all (and remember, I have an iPhone and an iPod Touch and a Mac (mini) and an AppleTV)...

    With all of this uproar over the antenna design and hardware issues, is it remotely possible that Apple has always been the cause of the problems and that AT&T has just been getting a bum rap?

    * running and hiding in my bomb shelter to avoid the fallout *

    Possibly but I had other phones(Blk berry 9700, Blkberry 8310, Motorola V551) with some signal service problems. I feel AT&T needs to work on building a better signal for their users.
    07-04-2010 12:01 PM
  22. Hack-My-i's Avatar
    Here's a history lesson for everyone:
    Two years ago I got the iPhone 3G. Promptly the internets filled with complains that "The iPhone 3G gets less bars than all of my other phones." People showed photos and youtube videos of the iPhone getting 2 bars where other phones see 4 or 5 bars. Pundits told them "relax, that means nothing, all phones calculate bars differently."
    So Apple issued software update version 2.01 (I believe) and suddenly everyone was seeing 4-5 bars where they previously saw 2. "I see much better reception with the new update" people reported.
    The "smart ones" turned on the field test app and quickly proved that Apple simply re-mapped the bars. The phone still got the same db of reception but now reported more bars for less db of reception.

    It was a snow job, but it shut everyone up.

    Flash forward to iPhone 4. Now people show how easy it is to go from 5 to 1 bar and Apple says "We were stunned to find out we were calculating bars incorrectly."
    Stunned, I say? My you have a short memory. This is an intentional thing you did 2 years ago to fool us all. Now you want to reprogram the bars and make the little bars bigger to fool us again?
    But I'm sure it'll work. They know the majority of iPhone customers are not very sophisticated and won't know the difference.

    What kills me is that their PR actually said they were stunned in this dramatic fashion as to "act" all surprised. If your were this oblivious to the mapping of the bars to signal, then you must be completely oblivious to the actual testing and RF reception. You're admitting you know nothing, period.

    I find it comical that their fix is to make the smallest bars taller.

    I don't know whether to return the iPhone out of spite and anger, or hang on to it because I truly believe there really isn't much of a reception issue per-se, as long as you don't mke physical contact with the antenna (with a bumper.)
    I should rephrase that... I should say the reception isn't worse than the iPhone 3GS for which I've come accustom to dealing with. At least not in my limited use of the phone since I got it.
    AMEN! This is just one big scam... I smell an Apple Scandal...

    Quoted for truth. I bought a 3G on launch and an iPhone 4 on launch. They're just reversing the "fix" that occurred two years ago. This company is scamming us. I love the product, but this fix is just a scam. The problem isn't signal attenuation. The problem is shorting the two antennas. Again, the problem occurs when you "short" the two antennas. That is a design flaw -- and it's a design flaw that is easily fixed.

    Fortunately for me, this doesn't affect my signal that much. But it does when I already have low signal and that is a problem. Other than the issue of "shorting" the two antennas, the phone is the most amazing handheld device I've ever seen. But that's like saying, other than the occasional circumstance where my brakes don't work, my Ferrari is amazing!
    Design flaw all the way...

    Possibly but I had other phones(Blk berry 9700, Blkberry 8310, Motorola V551) with some signal service problems. I feel AT&T needs to work on building a better signal for their users.
    Yea I agree and also Apple needs to work on better lines to tell us...
    07-04-2010 10:17 PM
  23. Fausty82's Avatar
    Possibly but I had other phones(Blk berry 9700, Blkberry 8310, Motorola V551) with some signal service problems. I feel AT&T needs to work on building a better signal for their users.
    Seriously, I am sure that this issue is location based. I live in the metro Phoenix area, and AT&T's coverage is excellent - at least where I live, work and go. I have had Motorola phones, Nokia phones, BlackBerry devices and now the iPhone. I have never had an issue - and in the past several years (since 3G was rolled out here), I'd wager that I have not dropped 10 calls total...

    And for the record, both the Moto 551 and the BlackBerry 8310 are 2G phones... so they aren't really germane to this conversation...
    07-04-2010 11:32 PM
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