1. Jellotime91's Avatar
    LOL...how's it go? Hate the people not the phone....or is it the other way around?

    Android is good to have around for the competition but their fanbase get on my last nerve.
    Agreed. The thing that bugs me the most is that they insist that anyone who likes Apple products is a lemming, and that Android fans are impervious from that status, simply because Android still isn't a viable consumer platform, and therefore, doesn't sell as well as iPhone.

    cmikhow
    This isn't fanboy rage... I just find this interesting.

    Sorry for the swearing, I got it from my mama. It doesn't denote 'rage' for me, I just swear a lot.
    06-30-2010 12:51 PM
  2. clg82's Avatar
    Jello that link you quoted didn't really say that Jobs acknowledged there was a problem with the antenna. It looked to me like he was saying there wasn't.....
    06-30-2010 12:53 PM
  3. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Jello that link you quoted didn't really say that Jobs acknowledged there was a problem with the antenna. It looked to me like he was saying there wasn't.....
    He said "stay tuned" as in, "you'll see [why there is no reception issue]".

    That to me sounds like a promise that it can and will be fixed.
    06-30-2010 02:09 PM
  4. clg82's Avatar
    He said "stay tuned" as in, "you'll see [why there is no reception issue]".

    That to me sounds like a promise that it can and will be fixed.
    Ok maybe I wasn't reading into it that much hopfully something comes soon to fix it....one off topic question, when you shake your phone do you get some kind of a ratteling noise?
    06-30-2010 02:12 PM
  5. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Ok maybe I wasn't reading into it that much hopfully something comes soon to fix it....one off topic question, when you shake your phone do you get some kind of a ratteling noise?
    I don't have an iPhone 4 yet, I am in Canada.
    06-30-2010 02:31 PM
  6. mo98's Avatar
    Apple is getting criticism for the same reason that athletes like Terrell Owens gets criticism. They draw a lot of attention to themselves, boast about their abilities, and create the perception that they are the best at what they do.

    So when they drop a pass in a big time situation in an important game, they get criticized more harshly because they ran their mouth so much in the first place.
    06-30-2010 02:39 PM
  7. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Apple is getting criticism for the same reason that athletes like Terrell Owens gets criticism. They draw a lot of attention to themselves, boast about their abilities, and create the perception that they are the best at what they do.

    So when they drop a pass in a big time situation in an important game, they get criticized more harshly because they ran their mouth so much in the first place.
    Every company thinks their innovations are the best. Samsung just finished smack-talking Apple about their screen tech. Microsoft constantly says they are the best when even they do not believe it.

    People pay attention to Apple's presentations a LOT more, but Apple didn't talk about, acknowledge, or even allude to the competition in their keynote this year, besides saying that they think their product is the best (which is something every single company does, why wouldn't you say that?). Apple's presentations are no more egotistical, and exaggerate no further than any other company, in fact most of the time they do much less exaggerating (short of calling the iPad 'magical').

    If a company doesn't believe in their own product why the heck would I buy shares in it?
    06-30-2010 03:53 PM
  8. mo98's Avatar
    Apple's presentations are no more egotistical, and exaggerate no further than any other company
    I've heard other companies announce products, and I completely disagree with that. I have a 3GS so I'm not a hater, but I consider myself a realist. Jobbs is more full of himself than most, and Apple intentionally creates more hype than most.

    I can be a Dallas Cowboys fan and still think that Jerry Jones is full of himself. I can be a Dallas Mavericks fan and still believe the Mark Cuban makes a fool of himself.

    Apple puts off an arrogance that I can't say I really see in too many other companies. Some people really like that and that's why they become product loyal to Apple. I just don't like it, but I will still buy the phone the best fits my needs and wants at the moment.

    You can believe in your product and still be humble about it. It is possible.
    06-30-2010 04:13 PM
  9. scottdoc718's Avatar
    Apple is getting criticism for the same reason that athletes like Terrell Owens gets criticism. They draw a lot of attention to themselves, boast about their abilities, and create the perception that they are the best at what they do.

    So when they drop a pass in a big time situation in an important game, they get criticized more harshly because they ran their mouth so much in the first place.
    Are you serious? Comparing Apple to TO? Ha. TO doesnt get critisized for dropping passes. He gets crtisized for being a horrible teammate. He is a cancer in the locker room. Did he leave Philly and Dallas because he dropped passes? No.
    06-30-2010 04:35 PM
  10. Jellotime91's Avatar
    I've heard other companies announce products, and I completely disagree with that. I have a 3GS so I'm not a hater, but I consider myself a realist. Jobbs is more full of himself than most, and Apple intentionally creates more hype than most.

    I can be a Dallas Cowboys fan and still think that Jerry Jones is full of himself. I can be a Dallas Mavericks fan and still believe the Mark Cuban makes a fool of himself.

    Apple puts off an arrogance that I can't say I really see in too many other companies. Some people really like that and that's why they become product loyal to Apple. I just don't like it, but I will still buy the phone the best fits my needs and wants at the moment.

    You can believe in your product and still be humble about it. It is possible.
    Companies bash Apple left and right. Look at the Droid X ad that just came out, in fact the entire Droid series of ads is really based on the iPhone, with Verizon trying to say "we're bettar" at every chance they get. It's a hell of a lot worse than Steve Jobs' keynotes, which have nothing to do with advertisement, in my opinion.
    06-30-2010 04:38 PM
  11. mo98's Avatar
    scottdoc,

    The only reason I brought up TO was to make the point that Apple is getting harsh criticism because they hype up their products so much (ie run their mouths like TO).

    TO got more criticism when he dropped a pass than when Witten would drop a pass. Why? Because TO runs his mouth more. Why does Apple get more criticism than other companies who also have hardware issues? Because they run their mouths more.

    You reap what you sow.
    06-30-2010 04:41 PM
  12. ghostface147's Avatar
    Are you serious? Comparing Apple to TO? Ha. TO doesnt get critisized for dropping passes.
    What sports shows are you watching? Absolutely he gets slammed on his inferior hands. The other reasons you listed are also mentioned heavily, but to state that his hands are never talked about is silly.
    06-30-2010 05:02 PM
  13. Jellotime91's Avatar
    scottdoc,

    The only reason I brought up TO was to make the point that Apple is getting harsh criticism because they hype up their products so much (ie run their mouths like TO).

    TO got more criticism when he dropped a pass than when Witten would drop a pass. Why? Because TO runs his mouth more. Why does Apple get more criticism than other companies who also have hardware issues? Because they run their mouths more.

    You reap what you sow.
    These other companies are no more modest than Apple, look at Verizon / Moto, with their "Droid does" campaign. It's basically a "mine's bigger" or "I'm bettar den yew" campaign... People just pay more attention to Apple.
    06-30-2010 05:33 PM
  14. ghostface147's Avatar
    In the end, vote with your wallets.
    06-30-2010 05:57 PM
  15. lungho's Avatar
    In the end, vote with your wallets.
    It's more convenient to complain than it is to do something sensible like you suggested.
    06-30-2010 06:13 PM
  16. mo98's Avatar
    I'm just trying to offer a theory as to why Apple is receiving harsh criticism over the antenna issue. I think when you present yourself as the master of design and build quality, you really have to come through in those areas on your product. I don't think it's jealousy or some grand conspiracy by the other brands and their loyal customers. I just think people (mainly their own loyal customers) expect a lot out of Apple because Apple talks a big game. I still believe there is a different and better way to present your business and it's products, but I don't think Jobbs has it in him.
    06-30-2010 06:40 PM
  17. aimetti's Avatar
    i havent had any issues myself. who knows tho.
    06-30-2010 09:48 PM
  18. clg82's Avatar
    I'm just trying to offer a theory as to why Apple is receiving harsh criticism over the antenna issue. I think when you present yourself as the master of design and build quality, you really have to come through in those areas on your product. I don't think it's jealousy or some grand conspiracy by the other brands and their loyal customers. I just think people (mainly their own loyal customers) expect a lot out of Apple because Apple talks a big game. I still believe there is a different and better way to present your business and it's products, but I don't think Jobbs has it in him.
    I only have one gripe and that is the reception. I have had more dropped calls with my iphone 4 than with my old 3g. When steve jobs says that there isn't a reception issue when there is that's where I find the problem. And than he says "stay tuned". Come on apple admit there's a problem come up with a fix and let's move on...
    06-30-2010 09:58 PM
  19. cardfan's Avatar
    Like the one guy said, Apple talked trash about how remarkable it was to place the antenna on the outside. It's flawed and they're eating crow right now.

    For a company that spends millions on ads, and is very smart marketing, Job's reply is just bizarre. Throw in a bumper Apple, issue a software "fix" and move on. Heck, it might entice more sales.
    06-30-2010 11:00 PM
  20. Jeff Kirvin#IM's Avatar
    Like the one guy said, Apple talked trash about how remarkable it was to place the antenna on the outside. It's flawed and they're eating crow right now.

    For a company that spends millions on ads, and is very smart marketing, Job's reply is just bizarre. Throw in a bumper Apple, issue a software "fix" and move on. Heck, it might entice more sales.
    No, Jobs just knows that this isn't a flaw with the antenna, it's a software bug in the radio firmware that screws up switching to a different band when signal degrades. He knows they're working on a fix, and that everyone who's freaking out now is going to feel pretty foolish after 4.01 comes out (which will also fix the EXACT SAME ISSUE on the 3GS, proving it's iOS4, not the hardware).

    Calm down, people.
    06-30-2010 11:46 PM
  21. cardfan's Avatar
    No, Jobs just knows that this isn't a flaw with the antenna, it's a software bug in the radio firmware that screws up switching to a different band when signal degrades. He knows they're working on a fix, and that everyone who's freaking out now is going to feel pretty foolish after 4.01 comes out (which will also fix the EXACT SAME ISSUE on the 3GS, proving it's iOS4, not the hardware).

    Calm down, people.
    It doesn't bother me really. I'm just concerned with how they're responding to it. Guess its the part of me that owns apple stock that is concerned.
    06-30-2010 11:49 PM
  22. JustinHorn's Avatar
    No, Jobs just knows that this isn't a flaw with the antenna, it's a software bug in the radio firmware that screws up switching to a different band when signal degrades. He knows they're working on a fix, and that everyone who's freaking out now is going to feel pretty foolish after 4.01 comes out (which will also fix the EXACT SAME ISSUE on the 3GS, proving it's iOS4, not the hardware).

    Calm down, people.
    They may be able to boost the signal a bit, but they won't be able to remove the 20 dB drop by touching the bottom left corner with a single finger.
    06-30-2010 11:56 PM
  23. Jeff Kirvin#IM's Avatar
    They may be able to boost the signal a bit, but they won't be able to remove the 20 dB drop by touching the bottom left corner with a single finger.
    What if they seamlessly switch to a band where that 20db drop doesn't matter? Calls still clear, data still fast (if not the theoretical maximum)?
    06-30-2010 11:59 PM
  24. Jeff Kirvin#IM's Avatar
    I'm just saying a software fix can make this issue practically irrelevant.
    07-01-2010 12:00 AM
  25. Jellotime91's Avatar
    @Jeff
    People seem to be ignoring whenever I tell them this now happens on my 3GS. It's never happened before, I am completely OCD about tiny things like this, so I would notice if this were happening before. It even happens when I hold it on the LEFT side, just like iPhone 4!

    If iOS 4 can create this issue, it can certainly be removed with firmware as well.
    07-01-2010 12:40 AM
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