View Poll Results: Is Apple Getting Negative Attention For This?

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  • Yes they look are starting to look bad.

    32 55.17%
  • No they are the victims they should pursue Gizmodo.

    26 44.83%
  1. Ipheuria's Avatar
    You didn't write too long a post. Some people just have a hard time reading coherent thoughts put into paragraph form. Coincidentally, these are usually the same people who abbreviate three letter words like "you" as "u." Go figure.
    Thanks Alli and all the other peeps who have no problems with my posts, I've been on enough forums that peoples comments, opinions, etc on my responses dont' bother me it's the faceless nature of the internet. I was just upset because it's a forum and the whole point is to have freedom to express your thoughs and opinions without worrying about if the response is too long.

    Annnnyways back to the thread topic I definately wouldn't want Apple to redesign the phone I love it from what I saw, and I definately don't want to wait any longer. I'm glad now that I held off on getting the 3Gs because this will be a better upgrade. How do you guys feel about the removable battery? is it a non event or are you like wheew finally?
    04-28-2010 03:14 PM
  2. lungho's Avatar
    Thanks Alli and all the other peeps who have no problems with my posts, I've been on enough forums that peoples comments, opinions, etc on my responses dont' bother me it's the faceless nature of the internet. I was just upset because it's a forum and the whole point is to have freedom to express your thoughs and opinions without worrying about if the response is too long.
    Just add....one problem that has crept up here recently is that there is/are certain person/people that are by nature very opinionated about every single thing and, in their twisted mind, their opinion is the only opinion that matters because they think they're always right. And if you dare say anything different, they get their panties knotted all up in a wad. These are the kinds of people who ruin great forums like this and run off newbies. It also stifles forum growth. Sorry just had to get that off my chest.

    Annnnyways back to the thread topic I definately wouldn't want Apple to redesign the phone I love it from what I saw, and I definately don't want to wait any longer. I'm glad now that I held off on getting the 3Gs because this will be a better upgrade. How do you guys feel about the removable battery? is it a non event or are you like wheew finally?
    I guess I'm kinda indifferent about the removable battery.

    On one side of the coin, I would like a removable battery because my near-two-year-old 3G will not hold a complete charge anymore. I would like to have the option of replacing it or swapping it out on a heavy usage day.

    On the other side of the coin, I know the non-removable battery is very intentional and by design. Apple knows the average life of a Li-Ion battery is 2 years. They want to continuously keep people in the upgrade cycle. But since technology is moving so fast these days, I don't mind upgrading every couple of years.

    Even if my 3G did have a removable battery, I couldn't see myself carrying this phone into 2011. It seems like each side of this debate has it's pros and cons.
    04-28-2010 07:18 PM
  3. whmurray's Avatar
    You guys are hilarious this is not like it's some kid on the playground who found someone's cellphone, this is business and these guys get paid hundreds even thousands more than you and I. So why feel sorry for anyone? I knew the whole story was bogus from the first time I read it because of all the holes in the story. I beleive it will be easy to prove that Gizmodo knew it was stolen just from the story they produced to make it seem like all the bases were covered. I've found phones before and the first thing I do is look through the phonebook for either Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Me, etc. that kind of name so I can call and leave a message where they can pick up the phone. The person who found it already knew his name so it shouldn't have been that hard to look the name up to find a number or when calling Apple ask for him by name why would you call tech support or whatever? The person who found it had the Facebook page open how easy was it to just leave a message with a number where he could be reached on the facebook page. I'm glad Gizmodo got it because now I'm salivating about it but nothing excuses stealing. Also about reality I've walked up to an ABM machine with the card still in it at the point where it asks if you want to do another transaction so all I had to do is hit Yes but I hit No and took it to the receptionist of the bank. There are decent people and there are dishonest people there is nothing crazy about someone putting an effort into getting something back to its righful owner I'm sure lots of people have done it before.
    I find this post rude on several levels. The most obvious one is that it has no paragraphs. Paragraphs are a courtesy to the reader.

    Not a "peep." Not Alli (who thinks that I have an attitude).
    04-28-2010 11:37 PM
  4. Alli's Avatar
    I don't think you have an attitude. I just think you are filled with negativity.

    I also teach. I grade papers for a living. I'll be happy to take up your perceived errors in Ipheuria's post in private so as to not bore the tar out of everyone else. But I will remind everyone that a good paragraph should have at least 5 sentences. Don't confuse sound bites with what's right.
    04-29-2010 07:00 AM
  5. Ipheuria's Avatar
    Just add....one problem that has crept up here recently is that there is/are certain person/people that are by nature very opinionated about every single thing and, in their twisted mind, their opinion is the only opinion that matters because they think they're always right. And if you dare say anything different, they get their panties knotted all up in a wad. These are the kinds of people who ruin great forums like this and run off newbies. It also stifles forum growth. Sorry just had to get that off my chest.



    I guess I'm kinda indifferent about the removable battery.

    On one side of the coin, I would like a removable battery because my near-two-year-old 3G will not hold a complete charge anymore. I would like to have the option of replacing it or swapping it out on a heavy usage day.

    On the other side of the coin, I know the non-removable battery is very intentional and by design. Apple knows the average life of a Li-Ion battery is 2 years. They want to continuously keep people in the upgrade cycle. But since technology is moving so fast these days, I don't mind upgrading every couple of years.

    Even if my 3G did have a removable battery, I couldn't see myself carrying this phone into 2011. It seems like each side of this debate has it's pros and cons.
    You know what I never even thought of the constant upgrade path by having a non-removable battery. My 1st gen iPhone and 3G still hold the charge so I guess the non-removable battery just became a non issue for me after awhile. I know when I got the 1st gen I was like what the hell there's no battery compartment??? it was a shock just because I was used to being able to take the battery out if the phone was truly hung.
    04-29-2010 08:11 AM
  6. lungho's Avatar
    I know when I got the 1st gen I was like what the hell there's no battery compartment??? it was a shock just because I was used to being able to take the battery out if the phone was truly hung.
    I remember having the same concerns. But then I remembered this LG I used to have. The removable battery used to jar loose all the time when the phone was in my pocket. I was constantly missing calls. My LG woes reminded me how solid the iPhone is built.

    I do still wish there was a way to quickly swap batteries. Oh well. Maybe next year Apple will add a solar panel to the iPhone.
    04-29-2010 08:22 AM
  7. cardfan's Avatar
    As for the no battery, i think it allows for a more solid device. Besides, in my experience with Treos/Centros, it was a major pain to even think of taking the cover off. Even the Palm Pre. My wife never does, she has touchstones all over the place. In practice, i'd say the vast majority never switch batteries even if they could.

    A removable battery also presents new problems. I've had to put tape in past Treos just to keep things tight, not squeak to death, or other battery problems. None of these problems are present in the nonremovable battery iphones. Be careful what you wish for..

    Oh and as for the paragraphs and grammar correctors. I will never point it out or try to correct anyone. That's not my job. But i find i don't really respond or give much credibility to those who can't communicate or take the smallest bit of interest in spelling/grammar.

    Ipheuria's post was fine for me. On forums, what you see is the only impression people have of you and if you communicate poorly or type in teen speak, you'll be perceived poorly.
    04-29-2010 11:03 AM
  8. Ipheuria's Avatar
    Yeah I also have the same opinion too I missed the removable battery for like a day and then it became a non issue so I was surprised when they sayd the 4th gen is going to have a battery compartment. So either it's a compromise for those asking for it, or since this was a prototype the final might be a sealed unit like we're used to without the battery being accessible.
    04-29-2010 11:08 AM
  9. Leanna Lofte's Avatar
    I thought it was already determined that the battery is not user removable. I'm also 99% positive that the seams will be closed up for the actual release. The Gizmodo phone was a prototype that belonged to a engineer so it makes perfect sense that his would be designed to give easy access to the inside.
    04-29-2010 11:14 AM
  10. JustinHorn's Avatar
    I thought it was already determined that the battery is not user removable.
    Yeah, I thought so too.

    There is no way Apple would switch gears on this. They keep making more and more products with non-removal batteries, why would they change now?

    I'm also 99% positive that the seams will be closed up for the actual release. The Gizmodo phone was a prototype that belonged to a engineer so it makes perfect sense that his would be designed to give easy access to the inside.
    Yeah, I'm sure it will look close, but they will clean it up for real production device.
    04-29-2010 11:33 AM
  11. ryanwmurray's Avatar
    I thought it was already determined that the battery is not user removable. I'm also 99% positive that the seams will be closed up for the actual release. The Gizmodo phone was a prototype that belonged to a engineer so it makes perfect sense that his would be designed to give easy access to the inside.
    It's frustrating to take every piece of information that slips through the cracks with a grain of salt. Something that is almost certain and logical one minute can be dispelled in a flash the next.
    04-29-2010 04:37 PM
  12. Earless Puppy's Avatar
    Fact is he sold something that wasn't his, and gizmodo took it apart which was beyond wrong
    04-30-2010 01:06 AM
  13. ryanwmurray's Avatar
    Fact is he sold something that wasn't his, and gizmodo took it apart which was beyond wrong
    What, Gizmodo was wrong?
    04-30-2010 12:27 PM
  14. applejosh's Avatar
    Without saying Gizmodo or the guy in the bar were wrong or innocent, I believe the whole thing does cast a somewhat negative light on Apple if only because it draws attention to how controlling and heavy handed they are in all aspects of the business (not just product releases). Not saying it's right to associate this incident with all other aspects of their business; just that it does happen. If I was Apple, I'd be pretty pissed, too (and probably justifiably so), but it does bring more focus on Apple, and then their App Store policing, and then the whole Flash thing (which I do agree with Mr. Jobs about, coincidentally), and so on and so forth. Not saying it was right/wrong/whatever. Just saying it happens.
    04-30-2010 12:44 PM
  15. Ipheuria's Avatar
    Sorry about the battery thing I never knew it was discovered that it wasn't going to remain removable. I thought at first hearing it why would Apple make such a change backwards sort of? Anyway glad that is cleared up now Does anyone think that the police kicking the guy's door off to seize the computers was a little excessive? They had a warrant and he wasn't home ok but it's not a drugbust I'm pretty sure they could have gotten the guy at work and he would have let them in without kicking off the door. I just think it was a little too far, you have kate moss sniffing crack in pictures and she doesn't do any jailtime but the guy just has correspondence about a phone, granted a stolen prototype, but you can see the difference in treatment here.
    04-30-2010 01:58 PM
  16. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Sorry about the battery thing I never knew it was discovered that it wasn't going to remain removable. I thought at first hearing it why would Apple make such a change backwards sort of? Anyway glad that is cleared up now Does anyone think that the police kicking the guy's door off to seize the computers was a little excessive? They had a warrant and he wasn't home ok but it's not a drugbust I'm pretty sure they could have gotten the guy at work and he would have let them in without kicking off the door. I just think it was a little too far, you have kate moss sniffing crack in pictures and she doesn't do any jailtime but the guy just has correspondence about a phone, granted a stolen prototype, but you can see the difference in treatment here.
    You know I still don't see why it wouldn't be removable.. Look at how clean they made the insides of the device.. Why would they go to all that trouble for nothing?
    04-30-2010 02:13 PM
  17. iBoxtaboy's Avatar
    If my drunk *** forgets the car outside the bar with keys in it, then my dumbass will have to pay the price for stupidity, regardless of the thiefs obvious crime and motives.
    Yes!! Agree. If you're gonna blame anyone here, blame the dumbass who left the prototype phone in the bar in the first place.
    04-30-2010 02:34 PM
  18. big9erfan's Avatar
    You know I still don't see why it wouldn't be removable.. Look at how clean they made the insides of the device.. Why would they go to all that trouble for nothing?
    b/c it's an engineers device, made specifically so it's easier to swap out the guts. There are often MANY differences between test devices and the ones that finally come off the manufacturing line.
    04-30-2010 03:21 PM
  19. iquinn's Avatar
    Yes!! Agree. If you're gonna blame anyone here, blame the dumbass who left the prototype phone in the bar in the first place.
    So blame a person for making an honest mistake, but don't blame the person who sold something that he knew did not belong to him? And don't blame Giz for buying it and not trying to get it back to the owner even though they knew who it was. Wow that is one of the dumbest things that I have ever heard.
    04-30-2010 04:38 PM
  20. iBoxtaboy's Avatar
    If I was careless enough to leave something as important as that prototype in a bar, I would only blame myself. Yes, it would be nice if everyone did the right thing and return it to the rightful owners etc, but you have to be naive if you think everyone would do the right thing. You get careless, you pay the price.
    04-30-2010 08:42 PM
  21. Jellotime91's Avatar
    b/c it's an engineers device, made specifically so it's easier to swap out the guts. There are often MANY differences between test devices and the ones that finally come off the manufacturing line.
    Right but people actually obtained a 3GS prototype before launch as well, and it had no battery removing mechanism at all.
    04-30-2010 09:08 PM
  22. whmurray's Avatar
    Yes!! Agree. If you're gonna blame anyone here, blame the dumbass who left the prototype phone in the bar in the first place.
    I think this is called "blame the victim." Very popular idea these days.
    04-30-2010 09:35 PM
  23. Jellotime91's Avatar
    I think this is called "blame the victim." Very popular idea these days.
    If I kill someone by a preventable accident, does that make me a victim? No.

    Gray Powell got drunk with a very important thing that he was supposed to take good care of, and he lost it. It was his fault, and completely preventable.
    04-30-2010 10:20 PM
  24. whmurray's Avatar
    If I kill someone by a preventable accident, does that make me a victim? No.

    Gray Powell got drunk with a very important thing that he was supposed to take good care of, and he lost it. It was his fault, and completely preventable.
    The man's property was mis-appropriated. That he was careless did not give anyone else the right to take it and sell it. Being careless is not a crime. Selling something which you do not own is.
    04-30-2010 10:47 PM
  25. Jellotime91's Avatar
    The man's property was mis-appropriated. That he was careless did not give anyone else the right to take it and sell it. Being careless is not a crime. Selling something which you do not own is.
    Right, but this whole thing started because of his carelessness, therefore, he is ultimately to blame.
    04-30-2010 11:11 PM
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