1. futurecode's Avatar
    One other note. I don't think the impact that jailbroken apps have had on non-jailbroken apps can be overstated. More and more you are starting to see jailbroken apps that we're once shunned by apple move from the jailbroken world to the "legit" app world. And not only move to the "legit" app world, but be the cream of the crop in their class. Not only does the polish these apps have from being out in the jailbreak world make them, usually, much better then a itunes store app which just launched, I also think apple has bent (believe it or not), if just slightly, to let these apps in, which most likely would not have happened without the jailbreak world.
    Last edited by futurecode; 09-26-2009 at 08:57 PM.
    09-26-2009 08:52 PM
  2. jhamilton3's Avatar
    With some people on 3.1 having trouble with battery life - like myself - I can see more people holding off on jailbreaking.
    09-26-2009 09:29 PM
  3. pieroxy's Avatar
    I owned an AT&T Edge iPhone in France, si I had to jailbreak and unsimlock. I bought a 3GS when it was out and I know one thing: I won't get anywhere close to jailbreak anymore. Enough worries when upgrading, no more random freezes, crashes... No reinstall of everything (and a wipe out) whenever you play too much with a poorly developped app...

    Well, nothing beats the damn thing working. Not even a "cool" theme.
    09-28-2009 04:10 PM
  4. usman's Avatar
    At the studio I work at, I have a 3Gs Jailbroken and two of my coworkers both have a Jailbroken 3G. I used to have the 3G and it was jailbroken but I'll tell ya what, from messing with my 3Gs and their 3G's back to back and my old 3G, I don't know if I could deal with a jailbroken 3G anymore, way too slow in my opinion. The 3Gs is, for me, a whole different story and was built to run jailbroken. For me, my themed out the 3Gs doesn't really lag at all, and if does, it's because I have MLB at bat, Tom Tom, Sportacular, and Facebook all running at the same time, and even then it's not that noticeable.

    I "can" understand why someone wouldn't jailbreak. The technicality of it if they are not computer savvy, the slowness on the 3G, they like what apple has chosen for them, or feels like jailbreaking is illegal and don't want to tread there. But I also see a lot of misconceptions with it also.

    One misconception is there is nothing "there" for me: someone would always find something if they tried: real time info on your lock screen, a weather icon that is real time, themeing {themeing is not just a looks thing, it bring greater functionality}, Better camera options, true multitasking, etc......

    Another is Warranty Voiding: As someone who has taken two iphones back for physical defects, I can tell you this is not a worry if fully restored.

    A big one is that It's unstable: That was very true before the 3.0 update but does not exist much anymore. I remember installing stuff before 3.0 that would brick my phone to the point where I had to restore ( a ton of times ) to get back up and running. Not once since the 3.0 update have I had, or seen, and bricked iphone caused by jailbreaking. 99 percent of errors/problems I have seen with jailbroken iphones is caused by human error due to someone doing/trying something they have no understanding of. Ya, I have had my phone not like what was done/installed for cydia but it'll just boot to "safe mode" where I can uninstall what I just installed and I'm back up and running like normal.

    And there is also the "It's a hassle to Jailbreak every time there is an update": Maybe it's just me but from start to finish I can fully restore my iphone, update, rejailbreak and have everything I had before the restore up and running in (much less ) then an hour. Too me, that is neither long nor a hassle given the added functionality.

    That being said, I'm not trying to tell people who don't jailbreak they are silly, that's their choice and who am I to condemn them for it. I'm just chiming in with a different perspective. At this point (and looking forward), I couldn't see myself without it.
    you nailed it! on 3G its not that great cause it does slow it down considerably. The 3GS was made to be JB. Everything runs super fast and smooth.. not a single issue, and with all the international travel I do the unlock was a surefire!
    09-28-2009 04:51 PM
  5. Toby's Avatar
    My reason is simple. It's not my phone. If I wind up getting one personally, I'd consider it.
    10-29-2009 11:11 AM
  6. Digital#IM's Avatar
    When I first bought my 3GS, I jailbroke it just because I could, and so I could say I successfully did it.

    But, after about 24 hours of use, I didn't see the point. Sometimes Cydia would lock up, and for no apparent reason. The only real thing I liked about being jailbroken was themes, i.e. Winterboard...
    Hi Navi, it's good to see someone I know.

    I have a real challenge for you and the TiPB community if you are interested? Being an avid BlackBerry user stranded on AT&T (not changing carriers), my touchscreen urge seems limited to the iPhone, the iPhone or the iPhone. It's a great device, and I recognize that ... but mainly what I use my phone for is Instant Messaging, Emails, Web Browsing, and Telephone.

    The iPhone is great for browsing ... although I really need something that supports Flash, so it's not the browser that I really want just yet (fingers crossed), but neither is the one on the newest BlackBerrys, so it would be a while before I could find a browser that meets my needs. So for now, check.

    The telephone isn't as reliable as I would like, but it's not the AT&T network, I know that. I used a BlackBerry on AT&T calling my wife's AT&T BlackBerry every day and didn't drop a single call in over 2 years ... so that's what I'm looking for from the iPhone on the AT&T network. I spoke to a knowledgeable AT&T person who explained a way to force the iPhone to always use EDGE for voice communications, so I'm hoping that this will solve the telephone reliability problems. So fingers crossed, hopefully we can say check.

    That leaves Email and Instant Messaging, typically where my BlackBerrys shined. As for Email, I'm OK with getting push with a minute delay, that's not a big deal for me. Although, the lack of multitasking will make that a pain, I realize that and can live with it using the iPhone 3GS' push features. Not ideal for me, but managable. I'm seriously considering jailbraking right from the get-go just to have multitasking. Is there any other way to keep my Email (and IM's) multitasking in the background without jailbraking? Hopefully I can live with the extra pain of non-multitasking, but if not, at least I have the jailbraking option, so we'll call this a workaround check.

    But I simply need my Instant Messaging to be reliable and ... well you know ... Instant. I receive and send a lot of IM's, and that's the primary use of my phone. I really do not like SMS's, they are clunky and a poor imitation of IM's. I love BBM, but I'm fine with using any other IM program so long as it is reliable and instant. The best solutions I see are maybe Beejive with push notifications, or if that doesn't cut it, then looking for a jailbroken solution. Any input on this or any better ways?

    I realize that I am a prototypical BlackBerry user profile. So this is going to be a real test for how well the iPhone and the iPhone community to smooth the edges of this square peg to fit into the iRound hole, but if it can be done, I have faith that the community here at TiPB can help me find it.

    Thanks in advance to Navi and the entire TiPB community.
    11-01-2009 01:04 PM
  7. pegasusl's Avatar
    I'm on a Iphone 4 running 4.2.1 and I use the GPS a LOT..! Current jailbreaks are all tethered AND cost you the GPS function so I've stayed clear. TBH I really like it as it is....with the exception of decent notifications but thats a "live-with-able" flaw...
    02-02-2011 06:49 PM
  8. Shanicenicolle's Avatar
    Here's a few reasons Apple stands where it does on jailbreaking

    Crashes & instability
    Malfunctioning & safety
    Invasion of privacy
    Exposing children to age-inappropriate content
    Viruses & malware*
    Inability to update software
    Cellular network impact*
    Piracy of developers applications*
    Instability of developers applications*
    Increased support burden*
    Developer relationships
    The Apple/iPhone brand*
    Limitation on ability to innovate
    I find that funny because all you have to do is click a button saying you're at least 17 when you buy an app from the app store lol
    02-02-2011 08:32 PM
  9. smalcom's Avatar
    Haven't found a need to do so. Simply because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

    Just remember Murphy's Law.
    02-02-2011 09:03 PM
  10. chobbs1's Avatar
    I find that funny because all you have to do is click a button saying you're at least 17 when you buy an app from the app store lol
    That is true and if you are not monitoring your Childs phone then it Can be a problem. I keep a close eye on what my child downloads, some things look harmless and without that notification, I might not know that it is inappropriate. Plus my child knows that I will be checking so if it shows that badge of over 17yrs then he knows if he downloads it he will hear about it from me. I agree it could be more stringent. But it's better than no badge alerts whatsoever.

    But this is just one item on a long list of "cons" to jailbreaking.
    02-03-2011 01:29 AM
  11. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Haven't found a need to do so. Simply because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

    Just remember Murphy's Law.
    Make me a list of reasons why a person, who uses the jailbreaking option in a completely legal manner, "should not" do it.

    We arn't talking about the use of an illegal drug here...or drinking underage...or speeding...this is a FEATURE of the phone, and a completely legal one now, it's fully and completely reversible if the phone is sold, and can be used (as in my case), in a completely legal and moral/ethical manner. In that, i see absolutely no reason why a person would make this kind of comment...making it seem like the basic act of JB'ing ALONE is something a person shouldn't do for any specific reason.
    02-03-2011 06:48 AM
  12. cardfan's Avatar
    Even after they get hotspot app or improve things like SMS or lockscreen, you still want to be able to install whatever program you want. This is the basic principle. I don't need a company to approve what software goes on my phone.

    In much the same way, i don't need a carrier to restrict what i do (such as not allowing certain apps to work on 3G, or imposing download limits, or charging more to tether using a data already paid for). Just be a dumbpipe and provide the data and voice. If i go over, i'll pay.

    Like Locke says "don't tell me what i can't do" :P
    02-03-2011 08:21 AM
  13. chobbs1's Avatar
    I don't think his reply had anything to do with morality. Two different people read the same comment and understand it two different ways. Your point of view might be from one that is used to defending the act of jailbreaking. When in the Commenters point of view he probably meant that to do so only invites the possibility of running into software problems. Try and be objective. This thread after all is FOR the non jailbreakers and reasons why they dont do it. Not the other way around.
    02-03-2011 08:24 AM
  14. chobbs1's Avatar
    I personally am grateful that apple has such tight control over their software. I don't have to worry about it as much like with other platforms. That control is what attracted me to apple in the first place. If one does not like this feature( yes I consider apples control a feature) the one does not have to buy it.
    02-03-2011 08:32 AM
  15. cardfan's Avatar
    I personally am grateful that apple has such tight control over their software. I don't have to worry about it as much like with other platforms. That control is what attracted me to apple in the first place. If one does not like this feature( yes I consider apples control a feature) the one does not have to buy it.
    Controls in place to make sure a program works properly is one thing. Controls in place to reject programs because they don't want you to have certain features or functions is another.

    If one can jailbreak and get around this nonsense, then there's no reason to buy something else.

    Apple is a company that can do no wrong right now. But they should be careful. Devs don't like this. Many customers don't like it but are willing to put up with it. Now Apple is even going more extreme by requiring devs to use their in-app purchasing or subscriptions system. This is going to bite them later.
    02-03-2011 08:58 AM
  16. smalcom's Avatar
    Make me a list of reasons why a person, who uses the jailbreaking option in a completely legal manner, "should not" do it.

    We arn't talking about the use of an illegal drug here...or drinking underage...or speeding...this is a FEATURE of the phone, and a completely legal one now, it's fully and completely reversible if the phone is sold, and can be used (as in my case), in a completely legal and moral/ethical manner. In that, i see absolutely no reason why a person would make this kind of comment...making it seem like the basic act of JB'ing ALONE is something a person shouldn't do for any specific reason.
    You misread my answer. I DID NOT say that you SHOULD NOT jailbreak. My meaning was as stated . Simply because it is possible to jaibreak a phone does not mean that you should jaibreak a phone. It is merely an option for those who choose to do it. Please do not put words in my mouth. And why do you feel that you have to pontificate about any comment made here?
    02-03-2011 10:20 AM
  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You misread my answer. I DID NOT say that you SHOULD NOT jailbreak. My meaning was as stated . Simply because it is possible to jaibreak a phone does not mean that you should jaibreak a phone. It is merely an option for those who choose to do it. Please do not put words in my mouth. And why do you feel that you have to pontificate about any comment made here?
    I didn't misread anything, you made the comment that "just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD"...commonly, when people make this statement, it is in regards to something the person should refrain from doing even if it is indeed possible (IE: Just because you CAN speed, doesn't mean you SHOULD speed.)

    All i asked for was a list that supports this approach on it, whether you do it or not is obviously your choice, and i'm not trying to be a stale mate on the opinion of whether to jailbreak or not (or we'll use the .25cent word of the day you did and call it pontificating your own), i respect people who don't jailbreak, i just question those who make comments like that in the nature of how this thread was going between those who support JB'ing and those who don't...it's almost impossible to expect a person to take that comment any other way but face value...

    Don't be so snippy, join into the "debate", if you have no desire to...move on i guess, i'm just conversing.
    02-03-2011 12:37 PM
  18. smalcom's Avatar
    I didn't misread anything, you made the comment that "just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD"...commonly, when people make this statement, it is in regards to something the person should refrain from doing even if it is indeed possible (IE: Just because you CAN speed, doesn't mean you SHOULD speed.)

    All i asked for was a list that supports this approach on it, whether you do it or not is obviously your choice, and i'm not trying to be a stale mate on the opinion of whether to jailbreak or not (or we'll use the .25cent word of the day you did and call it pontificating your own), i respect people who don't jailbreak, i just question those who make comments like that in the nature of how this thread was going between those who support JB'ing and those who don't...it's almost impossible to expect a person to take that comment any other way but face value...

    Don't be so snippy, join into the "debate", if you have no desire to...move on i guess, i'm just conversing.
    The original poster asked the question why non-jailbreakers have not done so. I answered that question.
    02-03-2011 01:06 PM
  19. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    ^^^ Hey man, if you don't want to participate in a convo that's cool...nobodies twisting your arm or anything, just trying to spark a little heat to the convo. That world isn't for everyone, lol.
    02-03-2011 01:17 PM
  20. PremeOne's Avatar
    I decided to jailbreak my old 3G when I was on it. I modded the phone so much, it just didn't run as smoothly as it should have. I haven't, and probably won't be jailbreaking my ip4.
    02-03-2011 04:02 PM
  21. trtmazda3's Avatar
    I just haven't jailbroken because I'm on 4.2.1 and I refuse to jailbreak until a fully untethered option is available.
    02-03-2011 04:17 PM
  22. chobbs1's Avatar
    There is no "at face value" there are always several ways to interpret everything. And when a person explains his answer and one continues to say "but
    This is what you said!" that is confrontational which is frowned upon
    Last edited by chobbs1; 02-03-2011 at 07:52 PM.
    02-03-2011 07:49 PM
  23. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Confrontation is part of being an adult...it was done in a civil manner to continue the conversation he initiated with his "opinion" about jailbreaking. People respond to comments, its how forum communities work, i figured we all kind of knew that by now. Again, it was to raise discussion...and of course there is "at face value", if there weren't, the term wouldn't exist.

    Why are we discussing the merits and commonalities of posting on a forum? If he doesn't want to discuss it, it was done (from my last post no less!)...do you want to continue trying to convince me that i was doing something wrong? Take it to a PM then...
    02-03-2011 09:55 PM
  24. chobbs1's Avatar
    Your right, there is no point in trying to convince you of anything. Have a great evening and be satisfied in knowing that your right and you win. God bless
    02-04-2011 12:07 AM
  25. chobbs1's Avatar
    I have one more thing to say to Sean. You really are a rude person. Your overbearing and pushy. You think that your opinion is not flawed in the least.

    Your always arguing with other posters on this forum and you blame all of them, yet the only common thread in these arguments, that I can see, is you.

    Well you have won, you've chased an otherwise happy and content poster off of this forum. I can't watch you treat others the way you do and try and justify it by simply putting an "lol" at the end. I am not fooled.

    I do not come to this site to argue with you yet that is how it ends up so I'll remove half the problem and bow out. Have a great life dude and keep wallowing in your own crap...cause it's warm and cozy there.

    Lol lol lol just joking ha ha
    Last edited by chobbs1; 02-04-2011 at 02:24 AM.
    02-04-2011 01:40 AM
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