1. jhg's Avatar
    I have never owned an Apple product, but bought an iPhone to replace a
    dead Palm device. I find that while it's flashy and cool, and some
    things work very well, the two basic functions for which I used the
    Palm are both inferior on the iPhone.

    The Calendar app cannot handle n'th week scheduling (i.e. 4th
    Tuesday), so it's useless to me since many of my calendar entries are
    of that type. Apparently you can set these up in iCal, so the
    functionality is there, it's just not accessible on the phone itself.
    There's no iCal for the PC so those of us with PCs are just out of
    luck.

    There are many 3rd party calendar apps that do support this, but NONE
    of them can ring the iPhone's alarm since Apple provides no background
    task support (as a software developer I can undersand that, maybe).
    What leaves me mystified is the lack of an underlying alarm service
    API with which an app could schedule an event to have the OS ring the
    alarm.

    Supposedly push functionality is available now, but what if I'm out of
    range of a cell tower or WiFi? I just want the PDA to ring an alarm
    based on its internal clock, but this will require a chain of events
    starting at a server somewhere. This is overcomplicating things for
    no reason.

    The other big use for my Palm was secure password storage with a
    companion PC desktop app and synchronization to multiple PCs. Again,
    there are lots of "password vaults" available, but only a few have the
    companion desktop app. Of those, none provide a lossless import/export
    capability. Either the import discards categories or custom field
    names, or the export is incomplete or not in a structured format (i.e.
    XML, CSV) that could be imported into a different app in the future.

    Getting my 600+ records into the iPhone is going to require hours of
    recategorizing and correcting, and I do not relish having to do that
    yet again the next time I change platform or password app.

    I guess my expectations were too high, based on all the hype.

    When I posted this on the Apple forums I got this response:

    Your post was removed from Apple Discussions as it contained feedback or feature requests. These areas are intended to address technical issues about Apple products. Although your feedback is appreciated, unfortunately these forums are not designed for it and your thoughts/concerns will not get the attention they deserve.

    Yeah, right. Shades of George Orwell....
    07-11-2009 04:40 PM
  2. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Hype? Over one million iPhone 3GS units the first weekend. 50,000 Palm Pre's. It's not hype. You just gotta know how to use the equipment.

    You can synch an iPhone with Windows and use Outlook. You can do all this other stuff with Google Synch. Google is your friend.
    07-11-2009 04:58 PM
  3. Allyson Kazmucha's Avatar
    Hype? Over one million iPhone 3GS units the first weekend. 50,000 Palm Pre's. It's not hype. You just gotta know how to use the equipment.

    You can synch an iPhone with Windows and use Outlook. You can do all this other stuff with Google Synch. Google is your friend.

    I'm going to have to agree here.

    Pretty much everything you mentioned can be done, seems like you just didn't want to take the time to actually figure out HOW to do it. google offers all those services, as does windows with outlook.
    07-11-2009 05:27 PM
  4. Behshad's Avatar
    Not to mention all other things your iPhone can do much better and faster than your dead Palm lol
    07-11-2009 05:33 PM
  5. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Yup outlook is a great tool for windows users with iPhones. Knock yourself out now that you know... lol
    07-11-2009 05:36 PM
  6. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Plus, using MobileMe, you get synching capabilities, plus online storage. I synch my iPhone with my Macbook and my Dell laptop using MobileMe. So all the contacts and calenders and bookmarks in Safari are up to date.

    On top of that, I have my business calender set up using Google Calender. I have that synched between my iPhone, my Macbook AND my Dell laptop. Any changes made on any of those three for anything at anytime get updated among the other two instantly. And it is instant.

    Just read directions and use Google. You can also use Bing. It's amazing what you can google using Bing. Bing has Google Maps and everything.
    07-11-2009 06:21 PM
  7. jhg's Avatar
    My, sensitive bunch here.

    If you'd read my original post without getting defensive you'd see that the iPhone makes my two basic tasks more complex, not less. Sure, the iPhone is a wonderful tool for a lot of things, but requiring the use of Google Calendar just to enter an event for the 4th Tuesday of every month is not better.

    I think I'm entitled to be disappointed. Palm got the calendar function right 15 years ago, why didn't Apple?
    07-11-2009 08:55 PM
  8. rustyjar79's Avatar
    Well one thing I think we all can agree on here is, we all have "our" reasons for having the iPhone, while I have the iPhone to eliminate the need for multiple devices, and the fact that email looks much better on the iPhone, some people give it a shot because of all the buzz.

    either way, everyone knows exactly what device they are looking for, they just don't know until they find it (I myself went back and forth between the iPhone and a Blackberry a few times, and I always end up back in the forgiving arms of an iPhone )
    07-11-2009 09:10 PM
  9. thinkTwice's Avatar
    Which Palm did you have?

    Why not get another Palm? If it's not too late, then I'd go get the Palm. I do agree that it does suck that you can't put an event for every nth week or whatever.

    Hope you get things sorted out...
    07-11-2009 09:48 PM
  10. Jellotime91's Avatar
    My, sensitive bunch here.

    If you'd read my original post without getting defensive you'd see that the iPhone makes my two basic tasks more complex, not less. Sure, the iPhone is a wonderful tool for a lot of things, but requiring the use of Google Calendar just to enter an event for the 4th Tuesday of every month is not better.

    I think I'm entitled to be disappointed. Palm got the calendar function right 15 years ago, why didn't Apple?
    I agree some people seem a little defensive over this.
    I think what they're trying to say though is that it IS possible and it's not like there is no way to do it.
    07-11-2009 09:58 PM
  11. iamtone's Avatar
    either keep it or return it...
    07-11-2009 10:57 PM
  12. traylorc's Avatar
    My, sensitive bunch here.
    Being sensitive goes both ways. IMHO the shortcomings you pointed out wouldn't lead me to post "I'm so disappointed in Apple thread". Additionally, the replies here were mildly sarcastic at best. It's not like you are being viciously attacked.

    And hey...at least your iphone is working. Can't say the same thing about your Pre.

    (The proceeding post was rated "non-defensive" by the Iphoneblog Association of America).
    Last edited by traylorc; 07-11-2009 at 11:17 PM.
    07-11-2009 11:09 PM
  13. minimo3's Avatar
    I too used to have a PalmOS device. I love my iPhone but I have to admit that it's PIM functionality is very basic. The calendar is no where as functional as PalmOS or WM. Not to mention that it takes multiple clicks to enter any data. Contacts is very basic as well. Tasks are non existent. Memos doesn't sync. No categories either. I've learned to live it. Mainly by regressing to paper and pencil.
    07-11-2009 11:13 PM
  14. OmariJames's Avatar
    Supposedly push functionality is available now, but what if I'm out of
    range of a cell tower or WiFi? I just want the PDA to ring an alarm
    based on its internal clock, but this will require a chain of events
    starting at a server somewhere. This is overcomplicating things for
    no reason.

    PNS works with applications that use Data. I understand that there isn't an API for
    none-PNS apps to make their own alerts though. Just had to clear that up.
    07-11-2009 11:22 PM
  15. Alli's Avatar
    I absolutely understand the OP's complaints. While I'm loving miPhone, the basic calendaring pretty much sucks. I have yet to get a calendar alert for anything. Google notification is hit or miss, and if you're out of cell service, or if your phone is off, that shouldn't make your phone's calendar obsolete.

    Legitimate complaint, with absolutely no solution.

    The two first people who responded to the thread (I forget who now) said there were work arounds if you were willing to look for them. So assuming we have, and haven't found any - what do you do if you have an appointment at 4:00 next Tuesday, but you're staying at one of those massive places where the cell service cuts out in most of the meeting rooms, and you have another meeting prior to the 4:00 that overlaps...but you need the calendar to remind you so you can leave the first meeting early. What is your (obviously non Google) workaround?
    07-11-2009 11:35 PM
  16. Allyson Kazmucha's Avatar
    I absolutely understand the OP's complaints. While I'm loving miPhone, the basic calendaring pretty much sucks. I have yet to get a calendar alert for anything. Google notification is hit or miss, and if you're out of cell service, or if your phone is off, that shouldn't make your phone's calendar obsolete.

    Legitimate complaint, with absolutely no solution.

    The two first people who responded to the thread (I forget who now) said there were work arounds if you were willing to look for them. So assuming we have, and haven't found any - what do you do if you have an appointment at 4:00 next Tuesday, but you're staying at one of those massive places where the cell service cuts out in most of the meeting rooms, and you have another meeting prior to the 4:00 that overlaps...but you need the calendar to remind you so you can leave the first meeting early. What is your (obviously non Google) workaround?
    Well I guess the best course of action there is to not overlap meetings

    I was one of the first two who commented I believe, I simply meant there were ways to set events in a manner the OP wanted, several ways actually, googling will give you several solutions.

    As far as your scenario, you can do that directly from iCal, create an event and set a notification to pop up or vibrate for a certain time. You can overlap events on iCal straight from the phone and set notifications, I do it all the time. You don't need cell service for iCal to alert you
    07-11-2009 11:49 PM
  17. touchyphone's Avatar
    I use Yahoo! and calDAV to link to my iPhone. Wokrs good for me, I guess I am just throwing it out there. And I do set alerts via the calndar and hey always work. !
    07-11-2009 11:59 PM
  18. bubbatex's Avatar
    First - anytime you change platforms, there are considerations and concessions you have to make/consider. I made concessions (each time) when I moved from a Treo to WM to BB back to WM to a Pre and now to an iPhone. No one device does everything I want in one package, but I'll live with an iPhone until something else come along.

    Second - I must be missing something simple, but I have Exchange and I get calendar notifications as I should. Maybe everyone should ditch MoblieMe and Google and get Exchange!

    Is the iPhone perfect? No. I would really like re-occurring notifications/reminders for email and calls. I would like one page with all of my email inboxes (bypassing the folder tree for each email account). And I would like separate email signatures for each email account. But other than that, I am happy.
    07-12-2009 12:10 AM
  19. Allyson Kazmucha's Avatar
    First - anytime you change platforms, there are considerations and concessions you have to make/consider. I made concessions (each time) when I moved from a Treo to WM to BB back to WM to a Pre and now to an iPhone. No one device does everything I want in one package, but I'll live with an iPhone until something else come along.

    Second - I must be missing something simple, but I have Exchange and I get calendar notifications as I should. Maybe everyone should ditch MoblieMe and Google and get Exchange!

    Is the iPhone perfect? No. I would really like re-occurring notifications/reminders for email and calls. I would like one page with all of my email inboxes (bypassing the folder tree for each email account). And I would like separate email signatures for each email account. But other than that, I am happy.
    You can set alerts with MobileMe easily. I don't think the issue was mobileme, I think it's actually the best possible e-mail/all in one solution on the iPhone if you're willing to pay the yearly subscription.

    IMO, it's more than worth it. I got mine for 69 bucks when I bought my iphone 3GS which really isn't bad.
    07-12-2009 12:14 AM
  20. ardoreal's Avatar
    Too bad this guy didn't get a Mac, because iCal supports exactly what he's looking for, and it imports right to the iPhone.

    Actually, Google Calendar does the same thing too...... HMMMM......

    That's like saying my new hotrod sucks because it doesn't sport a carburetor and has this crappy fuel injector system....
    07-12-2009 12:27 AM
  21. Caballera's Avatar
    Obviously everyone is entitled to your own opinion. But if you're not going to do your homework and figure out how a new device works or can work properly for you then you have no one to blame but yourself. I don't think anyone was being overly defensive to you OP, they were rather clear that there are other solutions out there that you can explore.

    The iPhone has a great number of features and abilities, the fact that these two complaints are the bases of you being 'extremely disappointed' shows that you purchased the iPhone on a whim without learning what you were getting into. No device can be everything to everybody, hence why there are so many smartphones out there.
    07-12-2009 08:47 PM
  22. talkin73's Avatar
    I'll agree with the OP in being disappointed in the Calendar coming from a PalmOS device. The Calendar is anemic by comparison to third party solutions for the PalmOS. However, I did know these issues existed when I got my 3G last December so while it remains a disappointment I have no one to blame but myself It is baffling how high tech so much of the device actually is, and how low tech the Calendar functions are. If you have come to use a PDA/smartphone Calendar features such as repeat alarms, reminders, snoozing, and versatility of scheduling, I think the iPhone has a higher potential to disappoint in that area. I'm not sure there is a "smartphone" OS out there with a more featureless Calendar... uh-oh here comes the backlash :o

    I'm hoping PocketInformant add iCal syncing in the future, but they have no current plans for this and would have to use PNS anyway, AFAIK, from the feedback I received from them. Working in a hospital, having an active and fully functional cell signal at all times in order to count on my iPhone to remind me of important events is just not acceptable so an option using PNS is not sufficient anyway. I have had to rework how I use my Calendar to accomodate the lack of features but I agree it is all perspective. If the iPhone were the first smartphone Calendar I had used, I imagine my experience would be more positive. I like a lot about the iPhone but the lack of Calendar features still leaves me baffled.
    Last edited by talkin73; 07-13-2009 at 12:17 PM.
    07-13-2009 12:14 PM
  23. JBaby_9783's Avatar
    I totally under stand the OP too! However, seems to me OP didn't do his research before purchasing. I knew going into my iPhone experience that the calender sucked in comparison to a Palm. It was something I considered for a long time before purchasing. There were a couple things I had to think about before buying. Ultimately, they were all things I could live with. Having a Mac and MobileMe does help though. I, like the rest of you, wish Apple would make the Calendar better! But the moral of this story is do your research! iPhones/any smartphone are too expensive to not know exactly what your getting/not getting.
    07-13-2009 06:19 PM
  24. E Pow's Avatar
    The main thing people need to understand is nothing is perfect. For me, the iphone is the BEST. Everything that I need the iphone does well. To someone else it may lack the feature they use the most. for instance, Blackberry does email well. iphone does gaming and internet well. Blackberry and Palm and Win Mobile sync great with a PC. They can also multitask. iphone sync's great with a MAC ical, address book and iphoto(unless you have mobile me which syncs great with a PC too) I could go on and on, but you get my point. Every phone does things better than others. The key is that's why we have the freedom to choose what device we want and what works best for our needs. Yea, the iphone does have alot of hype, but it also has lived up to the things that Apple hype it up about (app store, internet, etc...). Again, the iphone is MY choice of device, and the things that I need the iphone does GREAT!!!!
    07-13-2009 07:18 PM
  25. lionheartednyhc's Avatar
    Did you expect basic functions that most other phones have, with the iphone? By now its quite obvious the iphone lacks those things.

    In all seriousness, this was the first thing i noticed when I tried the iphone out in teh store when it first came out. I HATE the calendar function, it takes 80 clicks to do what I used to be able to do on one screen on my palm.

    Nonetheless, everything else about it rocks and I try to ignore that. And input appoinments in iCal when I can.
    07-13-2009 10:35 PM
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