1. minimo3's Avatar
    Some of those reasons, like the LED light and the silenced options, those are reaching. An LED light is for business use? The iPhone uses tags and stuff like that to tell you when you have mail.

    And that little knob on the side mutes the phone. You realize that right?

    And preventing users from using their phone is not a very good answer either. Just don't give someone the password to install apps, or only let them install free ones. Just because someone who has a business iPhone downloads Facebook doesn't mean that viruses are going to get into the corporate mainframe.
    I agree that an LED is not "essential" but it saves a lot of time. These are the steps a business iPhone user would have to take to see if he/she had email

    1. Press Power button
    2. Punch in PIN (most companies would require around 8 character alphanumeric) This is a real pain to key in
    3. Slide to unlock
    4. Hit Home if its on a different page
    5. View badge to see if there are any unread emails

    Versus - if the red light is blinking I have emails

    Its the same with the silence switch. With the iPhone the switch is normally set to vibrate which is ok in many situations. There are times though (when on stage, sitting on the night stand) when I want it to be completely silent aka no vibrate, no nuthin'. To do this I have to go to Settings -> Sounds -> Silent Vibrate slide to off. Is it doable? Yes, but once again it takes time. With Profiles one can set very fine grained notification controls. I could make a custom profile that silenced everything except calls from Joe. So say I was in an all day customer meeting and we had an important issue that the team back in the office was still rushing to resolve. I could switch to my special profile that silenced all calls, emails, SMS, instant messages, except calls from Joe. This way once his team resolves the issue and he calls it would ring.

    As for device restrictions, I don't like them any more than you do. Do I enjoy the fact that IT forces me to key in an extra long alphanumeric password every time I turn it on? No. Do I like it that they restrict my ability to install apps? No. But its not what I like, this is what the business wants. Its primarily because of support. If you're tech savvy and are just managing your own device its not a big deal, but when you have thousands of Blackberries to support, most of the users are not very technical, and there's only 2 of you, you want to minimize the number of moving parts. You don't want to have to figure out whether its a 3rd party apps fault if the device keeps crashing.

    With an iPhone its worse because the end user could jailbreak it without the IT Admin knowing or preventing it. This removes the sandbox restrictions. If this user then connects to the Wifi network at Starbucks I can easily SSH into his device. Most users wouldn't know how to change the root password so I'd login using the default root/alpine credentials. Then I have free reign over his filesystem. I can easily sftp off the sqllite databases with his email. It will take all of 3 minutes to get company confidential info.

    But to make you happy I'll end with a Blackberry flaw. Once I get on the plane the Blackberry gets turned off and I settle into the iPhone (ok at a safe cruising altitude). I pull out my dinner and start watching a movie. Could I do this on a Blackberry? Kind of.... the BB plays mpeg4 videos but after around 30-40 minutes the audio and video will go out of sync. This is regardless of what bitrate you encode it at. You then have to spend several minutes fast forwarding/rewinding to get it back in sync. Irritating to no end.
    07-15-2009 11:26 AM
  2. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    I know. That process you listed takes me about 3 seconds. I know that's valuable time.
    07-15-2009 11:39 AM
  3. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    I guess the point I'm trying to make is that my wife and I own a business. We just bought another one in New Mexico. We owned one for 6 years or so before we gave that up. We use iPhones now for our business. It does just fine. And yes, we hate Blackberry's.
    07-15-2009 11:40 AM
  4. minimo3's Avatar
    I think I know where the disconnect is: Instead of using the term 'business,' we should reclassify the Blackberry as more suitable for enterprises. In my company's definition that would be firm's with annual sales of more than USD$1B and more than 10,000 employees. As well as companies in regulated industries (finance, healthcare) and with strict security requirements. I think iPhones are just fine for many businesses. In fact I believe Genentech is the largest deployment with about 10,000 users. Apple is adding more enterprise features with each release of the firmware.

    Personally I'm not partial to any platform, having used a slew of Treos (180->270-600-650), Sprint Mogul, T-Mobile Dash (Windows Mobile), iPhone 2G/3G, and BB Curve. They all have have their pros & cons. What's the reason you hate the Blackberry so much?
    07-15-2009 12:05 PM
  5. talkin73's Avatar
    Pocket Informant is making the iPhone calendar bearable, but it's still not all the way there yet.

    New question - why is the immediate response to the smallest complaint "you should have done your homework?" Did it ever occur to some people that those of us with complaints did do our homework and went into the purchase with full knowledge of the limitations and made the purchase anyway? Knowing the limitations does not equal liking or being satisfied with them.
    Alli, bravo and well said People are entitled to be frustrated and like some things about the iPhone and not like other things. Congrats to anyone that likes "everything" about it But, like many things in life people often have mixed feelings to some degree or another, just human nature. I am also baffled that people get so quickly bashed for expressing their frustrations here. We can probably all agree that forums are a good place to exchange ideas or obtain information, but they generally serve as a place to express opinions as well. Anyone that doesn't know that about forums obviously hasn't done their homework
    07-15-2009 12:07 PM
  6. talkin73's Avatar
    The OP likes his palm device, so be it. But he could make his calendar the great asset he desires. Or he can go back to a palm, and hang with zach morris and fred flinstone and use old phones together. lol, .
    I loved this "Saved By The Bell" reference... took me about 3 seconds to register it. Huge props for working that joke into the middle of this derailed, battle royal of a thread
    07-15-2009 12:16 PM
  7. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    I think I know where the disconnect is: Instead of using the term 'business,' we should reclassify the Blackberry as more suitable for enterprises. In my company's definition that would be firm's with annual sales of more than USD$1B and more than 10,000 employees. As well as companies in regulated industries (finance, healthcare) and with strict security requirements. I think iPhones are just fine for many businesses. In fact I believe Genentech is the largest deployment with about 10,000 users. Apple is adding more enterprise features with each release of the firmware.

    Personally I'm not partial to any platform, having used a slew of Treos (180->270-600-650), Sprint Mogul, T-Mobile Dash (Windows Mobile), iPhone 2G/3G, and BB Curve. They all have have their pros & cons. What's the reason you hate the Blackberry so much?
    I used to have one. It's the attitude that the Blackberry breeds. The sort of superior attitude that the users have, that they are not "playing with a toy" and all the other crap like that. I am seeing the same attitude with Palm Pre owners with the only thing they can brag about and be snotty about is multitasking. But if you ask them about battery life...
    07-15-2009 12:27 PM
  8. touchyphone's Avatar
    I loved this "Saved By The Bell" reference... took me about 3 seconds to register it. Huge props for working that joke into the middle of this derailed, battle royal of a thread
    Hahaha, I was trying to bring some lite heartedness(sp?) to the discussion. To me the whole thread is insane IMO. But thanks for admiring the humor attempt. Viva la Zach Morris.
    07-15-2009 01:15 PM
  9. Goldentree's Avatar
    Just jailbreak your phone and install the status notifier mod. Bam. Problem solved. Then you have exactly one step to check if you have mail, just hit the home button.

    Yeah, it's lame that Apple neglected to implement some pretty obvious features, and still refuses to do so. But jailbreaking solves most of these issues.
    07-15-2009 02:22 PM
  10. Goldentree's Avatar
    Never mind, should have read more carefully. Yeah I can see why an iPhone wouldn't be good for your company. Maybe Apple should make a "corporate" version or something.
    07-15-2009 02:49 PM
  11. JBaby_9783's Avatar
    We are all getting off track. The point is had OP done just a little bit of research he could have saved himself all of this stress. I'm not against calling Apple out on their BS. Apple should have made the calendar better. They still should. There are a number of things Apple needs to improve. The fact remains they haven't so we have to decide whether or not we can live with the limitations. But it's up the buyer to do the research. This all goes back to asking yourself, "Is this the right device for me?" If you don't have all of the information how can you answer that question?
    Last edited by jessi_9783; 07-15-2009 at 04:40 PM. Reason: Removed asterisk and added my sig
    07-15-2009 03:14 PM
  12. Rene Ritchie's Avatar
    iPhone is not a Treo/Pre. Use an iPhone like one, or use a Treo/Pre like an iPhone, and you'll be disappointed.

    Every device has strong points, gotta find the best match possible for you and your needs.
    07-15-2009 03:37 PM
  13. Frenzytom#CB's Avatar
    I used to have one. It's the attitude that the Blackberry breeds. The sort of superior attitude that the users have, that they are not "playing with a toy" and all the other crap like that. I am seeing the same attitude with Palm Pre owners with the only thing they can brag about and be snotty about is multitasking. But if you ask them about battery life...
    Unfortunately multitasking is a big thing and differentiates it from other smartphones including the iPhone. It's funny you mentioned battery life when you can swap out the battery and continue working...
    07-15-2009 04:22 PM
  14. mullrat's Avatar
    I used to have one. It's the attitude that the Blackberry breeds. The sort of superior attitude that the users have, that they are not "playing with a toy" and all the other crap like that. I am seeing the same attitude with Palm Pre owners with the only thing they can brag about and be snotty about is multitasking. But if you ask them about battery life...
    Well when I see my coworkers playing with iBeer, or Assassin's Creed at the office, it does help promote that image. Not the iPhone's fault that it is a superior gaming and multimedia machine. Unfortunately to peopl in whom those qualities are not important it just looks like a toy. Too bad It hides the fact that the iPhone is a good business device.
    Last edited by mullrat; 07-15-2009 at 05:57 PM.
    07-15-2009 05:49 PM
  15. big9erfan's Avatar
    It's not the phones fault that there is an easily available SDK and the platform is easy to develop for. Were the BB that way, or any other device for that matter, there would be just as many iFart, iBeer, etc apps available.
    07-15-2009 06:02 PM
  16. mullrat's Avatar
    I agree with the OP. the iPhone calendar is less than stellar. The Calendar is an aspect of a smartphone that one would expect to be excellent, not just adequate. Push notification is a bad solution in my opinion. Just a deeper integration with the cloud. It's a very roundabout way to perform something that to a developer is extremely easy to do.
    07-15-2009 06:04 PM
  17. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Well when I see my coworkers playing with iBeer, or Assassin's Creed at the office, it does help promote that image. Not the iPhone's fault that it is a superior gaming and multimedia machine. Unfortunately to peopl in whom those qualities are not important it just looks like a toy. Too bad It hides the fact that the iPhone is a good business device.
    That may be so, but I have Documents to Go and an Exchange email set up on my iPhone. Is that more along the lines of the Blackberry mentality?
    07-15-2009 08:32 PM
  18. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Unfortunately multitasking is a big thing and differentiates it from other smartphones including the iPhone. It's funny you mentioned battery life when you can swap out the battery and continue working...
    Now how about that battery life? And yes, the iPhone can multitask apps.
    07-15-2009 08:32 PM
  19. Frenzytom#CB's Avatar
    Now how about that battery life? And yes, the iPhone can multitask apps.
    On par with the iPhone for me...how about that multitasking?
    07-15-2009 09:24 PM
  20. talkin73's Avatar
    Just jailbreak your phone and install the status notifier mod. Bam. Problem solved. Then you have exactly one step to check if you have mail, just hit the home button.

    Yeah, it's lame that Apple neglected to implement some pretty obvious features, and still refuses to do so. But jailbreaking solves most of these issues.
    While this would solve some of the issues noted by a variety of posters in this thread, it necessitates violating the terms of service that all users agreed to when they signed their contract and purchased their device. Though it is not considered very "cool" nowadays to talk about keeping promises and following rules, I imagine these issues actually do motivate the choices of many users. This, in turn, leaves them using the device as intended by the manufacturer making your suggested resolution obsolete.
    07-16-2009 05:48 AM
  21. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    On par with the iPhone for me...how about that multitasking?
    Yeah, it works. You realize the iPhone does multitasking, right?
    07-16-2009 07:26 AM
  22. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    While this would solve some of the issues noted by a variety of posters in this thread, it necessitates violating the terms of service that all users agreed to when they signed their contract and purchased their device. Though it is not considered very "cool" nowadays to talk about keeping promises and following rules, I imagine these issues actually do motivate the choices of many users. This, in turn, leaves them using the device as intended by the manufacturer making your suggested resolution obsolete.
    Terms of service? You think anyone abides by that? All you are doing is changing the software. It's easy to change back and no one knows you did it. Trust me, I did. No one knows.

    Plus, it's your hardware. That Dodge Ram in the driveway is mine. If I want to put new exhaust pipes on it, I can. It's mine. Same with the iPhone.
    07-16-2009 07:27 AM
  23. chobbs1's Avatar
    Oh God here goes that debate again. I for one agree with "talkin73". Just wanted to let him know that he is not alone in this issue.
    07-16-2009 08:52 AM
  24. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    I downloaded the free trial of Pocket Informant to see what the extra calendaring functionality would look like. It's very cluttered. I prefer the slim and streamlined look of the iPhone's calendar. I still don't see what's wrong with it.
    07-16-2009 08:55 AM
  25. chobbs1's Avatar
    Haven't you ever heard of street legal or insurance or registration? If you want to USE that dodge. You are required to follow some rules
    07-16-2009 08:59 AM
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