View Poll Results: Do you think MMS will be in 3.1?

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  • Yes

    58 77.33%
  • No

    17 22.67%
  1. djbbox's Avatar
    well btown11 mms was in the 3.0 beta but as a request from att was pulled or gryed out of the phone and no the APN profiles wont give you mms, try it it wont work, tethering will work with the profile but att might charge you something extra for using it and it wont be cheap so is not worth it yet
    08-04-2009 11:43 AM
  2. josh.hofer's Avatar
    I really don't think AT&T will allow that kind of practice to continue, there is to much heat on them already.
    08-04-2009 02:35 PM
  3. djbbox's Avatar
    Yep AT&T and apple maybe working on a patch already
    08-04-2009 03:59 PM
  4. whmurray's Avatar
    I think it has to come out with 3.1... like justin said, Apple isn't going to remove mms to put it back in off the beta.

    Also, it should be ready soon, hopefully.
    Of course it is in 3.1. It is in 3.0. It is being used by people all over the world. That does not mean anything to AT&T customers. It is not an Apple software problem, it is an AT&T profile problem. It is an AT&T exclusivity problem. I do not even care about MMS but I still think that AT&T is a "steaming heap of failure." I wish people would stop reminding me how much I hate AT&T.
    08-04-2009 08:06 PM
  5. whmurray's Avatar
    I really don't think AT&T will allow that kind of practice to continue, there is to much heat on them already.
    Have you seen the Curtis/Roddick ads promoting air-cards for PCs? AT&T does not care what we think. They will not care until their lock runs out. I think that AT&T will not shape up until they have to compete with Verizon 4G for iPhone customers. Maybe not then.

    This thread is about hope.
    Last edited by whmurray; 08-04-2009 at 09:54 PM.
    08-04-2009 08:14 PM
  6. Entertainment72's Avatar
    I voted no simply because I have lost a lot of faith in AT&T .. lol
    You and me both brother..
    08-04-2009 09:07 PM
  7. baseballkyle's Avatar
    I think it has to come out with 3.1... like justin said, Apple isn't going to remove mms to put it back in off the beta.

    Also, it should be ready soon, hopefully.
    I think it will be there for sure.

    Network backhaul bump is coming + OS 3.1 + September release = MMS goes live!
    08-05-2009 10:49 AM
  8. whmurray's Avatar
    I think it will be there for sure.

    Network backhaul bump is coming + OS 3.1 + September release = MMS goes live!
    "Network backhaul bump?"
    08-05-2009 11:02 AM
  9. rknowlt's Avatar
    I think it is more "we will have MMS by the time 3.1 is released" to me. The two are independent. I say we have both by the end of September.
    08-05-2009 09:52 PM
  10. anon(4671651)'s Avatar
    If not 3.1 then it will have to be 3.1.1 or something similar.
    08-05-2009 09:56 PM
  11. whmurray's Avatar
    If not 3.1 then it will have to be 3.1.1 or something similar.
    I simply do not understand how MMS got conflated with 3.1. As promised by Apple, MMS was in 3.0. It has not and will not be taken out. It is being used by iPhone users all over the world.

    This is a carrier issue. If your carrier is a "steaming pile of failure," the carrier has told Apple not to put this capability in the carrier profile (but it is still in the OS.) The carrier could change its mind at any time. There is no indication that the carrier even has the capacity to change its policy as early as 2009. Apple can update the profile at any time. They are not tied to an OS release in any way.

    This all about AT&T, not 3.1 or Apple.

    I think that we all want 3.1 on Apple's schedule, not that of the "steaming pile of failure." Please do not conflate MMS/AT&T.
    Last edited by whmurray; 08-09-2009 at 11:42 AM.
    08-09-2009 11:34 AM
  12. Duvi's Avatar
    I simply do not understand how MMS got conflated with 3.1. As promised by Apple, MMS was in 3.0. It has not and will not be taken out. It is being used by iPhone users all over the world.

    This is a carrier issue. If your carrier is a "steaming pile of failure," the carrier has told Apple not to put this capability in the carrier profile (but it is still in the OS.) The carrier could change its mind at any time. There is no indication that the carrier even has the capacity to change its policy as early as 2009. Apple can update the profile at any time. They are not tied to an OS release in any way.

    This all about AT&T, not 3.1 or Apple.

    I think that we all want 3.1 on Apple's schedule, not that of the "steaming pile of failure." Please do not conflate MMS/AT&T.
    Too bad you're incorrect... it's Apple's fault for the mess. People can say all they want about AT&T, but no one understands the reason AT&T is behind is due to Apple dropping the ball.
    08-09-2009 01:47 PM
  13. whmurray's Avatar
    Too bad you're incorrect... it's Apple's fault for the mess. People can say all they want about AT&T, but no one understands the reason AT&T is behind is due to Apple dropping the ball.
    If you say so, it must be true. I certainly agree that "no one understands." One can fault both Apple and the "steaming pile of failure" for that. Would you like to enlighten the rest of us? Is it some kind of an AT&T secret?

    Do you also assert that Apple can unilaterally make MMS happen, that they alone are responsible for it being available on all carriers except AT&T? It seems clear that one cannot rebut the New York Times without facts that are not already in evidence? Do you assert that MMS is somehow bound to 3.1, that we cannot have one without the other? Since that was the point of my post, perhaps you can address it while you are defending the "steaming pile."
    08-09-2009 04:35 PM
  14. jhamilton3's Avatar
    How is it not AT&Ts fault?

    Its not like Apple kept MMS a secret from the carriers.

    How is it that every other carrier was prepared but not AT&T?
    08-09-2009 11:52 PM
  15. Duvi's Avatar
    Give me a seconds to quote another blog I posted at. Yes, it's primarily Apple's fault.

    I'm actually getting tired of seeing everyone wanting to bash AT&T. The only reason AT&T isn't pointing fingers is because they are puppets and everyone including the CEO of wireless (supposedly) take an iPhone course each year stating nothing can be said outside of Apple officially saying it.
    08-10-2009 01:06 AM
  16. Duvi's Avatar
    Here you go! Part 1 and 2 being the points to look at.

    Not making an excuse, but stating the facts. People use the web/iTunes/email more on the iPhone because there isn't MMS! On other smartphones and regular dumb phones, aside from business users, messaging runs circles around web/iTunes/email/phone. It's fact, and working for AT&T, I see it. In fact, a lot of customers block internet. Messaging unlimited is $30 a month for a family of four. It's $120 extra per month to have the family all have data.

    It's getting old how people blame AT&T for not having the feature or dropping the ball... why did you purchase this device if it was so important? There is no excuse for anyone to complain about a feature that was known not to be there and was said to be coming later this summer. The economy is bad, so don't expect AT&T to be giving Overtime for this feature to get pushed, you can wait; everyone's been waiting since 2007, another month or two won't kill you.

    Part 1 - I will also let you in on the reason why AT&T is in the position it is in... Apple said they would never get MMS and that it was primitive; email was going to take over. Well, AT&T seeing that Apple wasn't going to add it, not only created a text only package for the iPhone, it also had to remove xyz (can't say what it is) from the back-end to stop those that had family messaging and had an iPhone, but had a different phone on the account allowing them to get MMS. So the system would automatically recognize an iPhone when it would hit the cell tower vs. going by the phone on the account.

    Part 2 - Apple then says to whoever needs to know (upper management in corporate) that all these features were coming, but guess what? Upper management isn't the ones re-enabling these features and since Apple has all employees (including me) take a training and acknowledge/agree to secrecy, they didn't tell the team (tech) that would enable it or else they would have known it was coming. When the announcement was made, they allowed developers to call in and get MMS enabled while working on adding the feature to the biller for the iPhone. So many "developers" were calling in, they stopped doing it.

    Part 3 - With the feature code that is going to be added, I believe the effective date will all be the same for everyone so it seems as the switch was flipped for everyone at the same time. This part is speculation, but this is why a lot of people are seeing iPhone MMS PPU codes.
    08-10-2009 01:08 AM
  17. Duvi's Avatar
    Bottom line: Apple's secrecy BS only allowed the tech group to know about it on announcement day. This is to stop leaks. If the techs started enabling it before the announcement, everyone would officially/unofficially know it was coming.
    08-10-2009 01:10 AM
  18. whmurray's Avatar
    Bottom line: Apple's secrecy BS only allowed the tech group to know about it on announcement day. This is to stop leaks. If the techs started enabling it before the announcement, everyone would officially/unofficially know it was coming.
    You are kidding us, right? You have your tongue in your cheek. Slingplayer was available before 3.0 and was bleocked only on iPhone. Was there ever any doubt that whenever 3.0 became available it would have MMS. Are you asserting that Apple kept the announcement date of 3.0 from its exclusive partner?

    It did not require "enabling" to have it, only capacity. It did not take action to allow it, rather it took action to block it.

    How come all the other carriers were "enabled" and the "steaming pile of failure" was not? How come those using other phones on AT&T have access to broadband applications that are arbitrarily denied to iPhone users?

    I for one am not buying and I doubt that you can sell this line to many others. As much as I would like almost any rationale for AT&T's behavior, this one simply does not fit the evidence.

    Nice try but I think that your should try again. This time try to find an excuse for AT&T that does not blame others and that fits the evidence.
    Last edited by whmurray; 08-10-2009 at 11:44 AM.
    08-10-2009 10:58 AM
  19. whmurray's Avatar
    Bottom line: Apple's secrecy BS only allowed the tech group to know about it on announcement day. This is to stop leaks. If the techs started enabling it before the announcement, everyone would officially/unofficially know it was coming.
    "When you are in a hole over your head, stop digging."
    08-10-2009 10:59 AM
  20. whmurray's Avatar
    Give me a seconds to quote another blog I posted at. Yes, it's primarily Apple's fault.

    I'm actually getting tired of seeing everyone wanting to bash AT&T. The only reason AT&T isn't pointing fingers is because they are puppets and everyone including the CEO of wireless (supposedly) take an iPhone course each year stating nothing can be said outside of Apple officially saying it.
    I am sure you are. Perhaps it is unfair, but "bashing" AT&T is not limited to this forum or iPhone users. It was not an iPhone user who coined "steaming pile of failure." The NYTimes was not talking for iPhone users. There is no data in San Francisco for any users, not just iPhone users. It is particularly vexing to iPhone users because we rely upon data, but the market is clearly under-provisioned. It is hard to blame that on Apple secrecy, or any other Apple behavior.

    AT&T's reputation is in its own hands.
    08-10-2009 11:43 AM
  21. Watcher's Avatar
    I think I understand what Duvi is saying. He's saying that initially Apple told AT&T that MMS would never be on the iPhone so AT&T took steps account-wise, in the background, to make that happen. He's basically saying given the steps and procedures it took to do this, it can't be easily undone for millions of accounts.

    What others are saying is carriers in other countries similarly had to face the same initial supporting of MMS for the iPhone as well, but they didn't have any delays. Does anyone know if they are facing the same "undoing of procedures" that AT&T put in place to block MMS on each iPhone account? Does anyone know this for certain? And also are any of the other carriers faced with enabling this feature for even half of the amount of users AT&T has?

    Just curious... don't shoot the cat!
    Last edited by Watcher; 08-10-2009 at 02:07 PM.
    08-10-2009 02:04 PM
  22. Duvi's Avatar
    whmurray, I'm assuming reading comprehension isn't your strongest point... so maybe I'll take baby steps for you.

    I hope you're still with me... "Part 2" states that upper management (around the COO level of the wireless side & above, meaning up to CEO of AT&T as a whole) knew, but they aren't the ones who provision. The ones who did could not have been told prior to the announcement date or risk a leak.

    I know this as I am a manager for our business group. We received an email about it only an hour after I knew from the keynote. We and the 99.5% of AT&T never know until it's officially announced.

    We also, even me had to take an online course agreeing to secrecy no matter what we've found out prior to any announcement.

    I could care less if you blame them for being a pile of whatever (very classy btw). You know only what you see on blogs and believe you know everything; nowadays that means you know everything :o. Just wanted to set it straight with MMS.

    The other companies didn't do what AT&T did... first off they don't have that many subscribers. AT&T has the most iPhone subscribers of any carrier abroad. No other carrier within the US can have as many subscribers on iPhones. AT&T did as good a job as they can.

    Why are we bringing SlingPlayer in to the convo? We are talking about MMS. Is that the only way you could get any type of leverage? Please enlighten me as I failed to see what the blocking of SP (as you said) has anything to do with 3.0. It also sounds like you're writing just to write. SlingPlayer is not blocked, it's only able to stream through wifi (without jailbreaking/hacking the phone). I'm assuming you don't own your own business and if you do, you're probably looking at filing a chapter 7.

    You bought an iPhone (if you started from 2G, even worse) knowing that there wasn't any MMS and then when the announcement came saying later this summer, you get mad because other carriers have it and AT&T doesn't? Come on, now you sound like my little sister when we were younger... "Mom he has more than me, that's not fair." It doesn't sound bright if you know the shortcomings (according to you) of a device and then complain about it (for the wrong reasons and against the wrong company) not being available.

    You sound like an Anti-AT&T person anyways and I don't expect you to even read this, comprehend what I said and then take a chill pill, so do me a favor.

    Take a long walk on a short pier...
    08-10-2009 05:48 PM
  23. Duvi's Avatar
    I think I understand what Duvi is saying. He's saying that initially Apple told AT&T that MMS would never be on the iPhone so AT&T took steps account-wise, in the background, to make that happen. He's basically saying given the steps and procedures it took to do this, it can't be easily undone for millions of accounts.

    What others are saying is carriers in other countries similarly had to face the same initial supporting of MMS for the iPhone as well, but they didn't have any delays. Does anyone know if they are facing the same "undoing of procedures" that AT&T put in place to block MMS on each iPhone account? Does anyone know this for certain? And also are any of the other carriers faced with enabling this feature for even half of the amount of users AT&T has?

    Just curious... don't shoot the cat!
    Thank you for being civilized BTW.

    The reason other carriers have it is because they didn't take the extra steps to remove the feature off the back-end like AT&T. Heck, if you unlock an iPhone for T-mobile USA, they even give you the steps on getting it to work. Why? Because they want subscribers. The other carriers abroad don't have as many subscribers and even then their plans/rates are so ridiculously high, not too many people can afford it.

    AT&T knows when the switch it turned on for MMS, they will be a spike in data usage. So while getting the provisioning part ready, they're beefing up the network as well. It's a known fact, iPhone users are power users, more so the BlackBerry devices. My work and person BlackBerry combined can't even compare to my iPhone usage. Receiving voicemail uses data and so do many of the applications. So it may seem like AT&T is slacking, but the truth is, none of the carriers in the U.S. could handle the iPhone better than AT&T did (by themselves).
    08-10-2009 05:59 PM
  24. Cmec#AC's Avatar
    Now that was spoken from a true At&t employee. While At&t big wigs are sitting on their jets traveling the world their employee's are covering the MMS mess up lol. I for one don't care what the reason is I would just love to see MMS enabled on my iPhone. We all know however long it takes At&t to enable it there still will be problems. And what will happen next, us iPhone user's will be back in the forums complaining about it! Take your time At&t and worry about getting it right! I am in no rush, I just don't want it to fail!
    08-10-2009 07:30 PM
  25. redbeard's Avatar
    It's funny, people talk about MMS putting a strain on the network, even though it's nothing compared to surfing the web, and I keep hearing about how everyone just e-mails pics, as if e-mail uses no data.

    I wouldn't be surprised if by New Years we still don't have MMS.
    08-10-2009 08:40 PM
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