1. thinkTwice's Avatar
    It's not a matter of whether I think the $99 3G iphone is a better deal than the $199 3Gs. Bottom line is that we live in a price sensitive society. And for some folks, the very idea of being able to pick up an iphone for less than $100 is a big deal. Particularly when you have heard stories about iphones being sold for $299, $399, $499, etc...

    Also, please define "insanely great" launch. What exactly has to occur for this launch to be insanely great? Is it number of units sold first day? Is it overall revenues generated the first week? Is it iphones selling out on the first day?? Is it having the media show tons of people waiting in line to purchase the new iphone?? If the 3Gs winds up selling 7% less units at it's launch than the 3G is that a failure given the current state of the economy??
    There are two prices one has to consider- the phone and the monthly bill. The $99 will lure them in. But I bet the monthly cost will have them walking out.

    The product launch needs the media coverage like last year- people waiting outside, that kind of thing. And if it can trounce Pre sales or something like that. It needs to repeat the frenzy of 3G and needs to sustain that throughout the next year. And the stock market will be less than forgiving initially if they even suspect that iPhone demand is down.

    Well I didn't pre-order and it seems like I can't- AT&T is sold out and I can't pre-order one from Apple. I'm debating between taking part in the initial frenzy on the 19th or taking a more relaxed approach- hitting up the odd AT&T stores outside of NYC and maybe dropping by the Apple stores around 4-5pm and seeing what it's like. So far nobody is camping out in NYC to my knowledge...
    06-16-2009 09:42 PM
  2. traylorc's Avatar
    There are two prices one has to consider- the phone and the monthly bill. The $99 will lure them in. But I bet the monthly cost will have them walking out.

    The product launch needs the media coverage like last year- people waiting outside, that kind of thing. And if it can trounce Pre sales or something like that. It needs to repeat the frenzy of 3G and needs to sustain that throughout the next year. And the stock market will be less than forgiving initially if they even suspect that iPhone demand is down.

    Well I didn't pre-order and it seems like I can't- AT&T is sold out and I can't pre-order one from Apple. I'm debating between taking part in the initial frenzy on the 19th or taking a more relaxed approach- hitting up the odd AT&T stores outside of NYC and maybe dropping by the Apple stores around 4-5pm and seeing what it's like. So far nobody is camping out in NYC to my knowledge...
    I just believe there are some folks out there that didn't want to pay a premium for the iphone, and then pay a huge monthly bill. Some folks just have to be enticed, so if the $99 3G makes them feel like they are getting a deal they may bite. I'm coming over from Sprint where I was paying about $200 for a family plan with two phones. I have to admit, the ATT pricing I will pay for our two iphones is very comparable to what I was paying at sprint. But you never know....

    IMHO I think Apple will have all the media showing film/pics of long lines of people waiting outside for the iphone. Folks seem very passionate about their iphones.
    06-16-2009 11:12 PM
  3. chobbs1's Avatar
    it's already such a big seller that AT&T is changing their Upgrade policies! I guess AT&T has figured out that they wouldn't loose too much in revenue or that if they did not offer thiis change they would lose customers. Good new for Many!
    06-17-2009 04:03 PM
  4. traylorc's Avatar
    it's already such a big seller that AT&T is changing their Upgrade policies! I guess AT&T has figured out that they wouldn't loose too much in revenue or that if they did not offer thiis change they would lose customers. Good new for Many!
    I wouldn't be surprised if ATT had this planned all along. Think about it....

    First you introduce the new model and offer the ability to pre-order their phone. Then you rely on forums like this to allow passionate iphone fans to whip up support for the impending launch. This will undoubtedly cause some folks to become upset who are not eliglble for an upgrade, but would upgrade in a heartbeat if given a chance.

    A couple of days before launch, you release this "heartfelt" press release stating "we hear our fans and we just had to respond". All of the sudden the rules regarding eligibility are changed and ATT looks like a hero....building goodwill and additional 3Gs iphone revenues along the way.
    06-17-2009 05:57 PM
  5. thinkTwice's Avatar
    IMHO I think Apple will have all the media showing film/pics of long lines of people waiting outside for the iphone. Folks seem very passionate about their iphones.
    I predict smaller lines because of pre-order, the economy, increased competition, and an opinion out there that the 3GS is not really worth it for 3G owners.

    I think I'll be one of those people in line...
    Tomorrow I will scout out the different stores and see what's going on.
    06-17-2009 08:29 PM
  6. traylorc's Avatar
    I predict smaller lines because of pre-order, the economy, increased competition, and an opinion out there that the 3GS is not really worth it for 3G owners.

    I think I'll be one of those people in line...
    Tomorrow I will scout out the different stores and see what's going on.
    I'm curious how the economy will impact sales. On the one hand, the restricted net disposable income of consumers would lead you to believe that this iphone would see smaller lines. But on the other hand ATT managed to sell out of their initial allotment, and Apple appears to have done well with their pre-sell program. Heck, I'm not sure what to expect.

    However, if there only 2-3 videos picked up by the national press showing people waiting in long lines at ATT and Apples stores....Apple will proclaim this the most successful launch in the history of mankind.
    06-17-2009 08:34 PM
  7. thinkTwice's Avatar
    I'm curious how the economy will impact sales. On the one hand, the restricted net disposable income of consumers would lead you to believe that this iphone would see smaller lines. But on the other hand ATT managed to sell out of their initial allotment, and Apple appears to have done well with their pre-sell program. Heck, I'm not sure what to expect.

    However, if there only 2-3 videos picked up by the national press showing people waiting in long lines at ATT and Apples stores....Apple will proclaim this the most successful launch in the history of mankind.
    True, true- I'd be really curious to see how the economy has affected sales, but in this market smartphone sales are increasing, which doesn't make sense to me. So far, it's been quiet on the iPhone line waiting department. Nobody's camped out the 5th ave. store... yet. I've been to 2/3 NYC Apple stores and the Apple store workers who I talked to about waiting in line for the 3GS have one piece of advice for me- get here EARLY. I understand that, but I think they're trying to hype up the lines.
    06-17-2009 09:26 PM
  8. chobbs1's Avatar
    Maybe smart phone sales are up because big txket items are down. No new cars or homes or boats. People are even foregoing vacations. But the phones are fantastic and cheap way to entertain ourselves.
    06-18-2009 12:13 AM
  9. cdudek's Avatar
    Going to pick up my new iPhone on Friday and not looking forward to the mass of people I'll have to push through
    06-18-2009 12:14 AM
  10. traylorc's Avatar
    Maybe smart phone sales are up because big txket items are down. No new cars or homes or boats. People are even foregoing vacations. But the phones are fantastic and cheap way to entertain ourselves.
    Great point.

    Perhaps mobile phones, particularly smart phones, have crossed the line from becoming a luxury to a necessity. If folks perceive something to be a necessity they will continue to purchase that service/product despite a downturn in the economy.
    06-18-2009 12:24 AM
  11. traylorc's Avatar
    True, true- I'd be really curious to see how the economy has affected sales, but in this market smartphone sales are increasing, which doesn't make sense to me. So far, it's been quiet on the iPhone line waiting department. Nobody's camped out the 5th ave. store... yet. I've been to 2/3 NYC Apple stores and the Apple store workers who I talked to about waiting in line for the 3GS have one piece of advice for me- get here EARLY. I understand that, but I think they're trying to hype up the lines.
    I wasn't around during the launch of the 3G, but did Apple & ATT allow folks to pre-order their iphone and/or allow folks to have them shipped to their homes? If not, that would definitely impact the number of folks waiting in line. If that is the case, if lines look smaller than in the past I'm sure Apple's PR department will point to the online pre-sold units as the reason for the smaller lines.
    06-18-2009 12:27 AM
  12. msm0511's Avatar
    I wasn't around during the launch of the 3G, but did Apple & ATT allow folks to pre-order their iphone and/or allow folks to have them shipped to their homes? If not, that would definitely impact the number of folks waiting in line. If that is the case, if lines look smaller than in the past I'm sure Apple's PR department will point to the online pre-sold units as the reason for the smaller lines.
    No this is the first time you can preorder
    06-18-2009 12:39 AM
  13. msm0511's Avatar
    Off topic,but I remember when the 1st gen came out I worked in a mall that had an Apple store and I'd never seen anything like the crazy lines there.
    06-18-2009 12:40 AM
  14. John Scaro's Avatar
    I'm trying to get someone in my family to give me $199 for my 3G and add them to my plan so I can get the 3Gs 32g for $299. I need my fix!!!!!!
    06-18-2009 01:51 AM
  15. traylorc's Avatar
    No this is the first time you can preorder
    If that is the case, then I don't think we can judge Apples' launch solely based on how many folks line up outside of Apple and/or ATT stores. I'm willing to bet most folks pre-ordered their phones in order to avoid waiting in long lines.

    The real litmus test will be how many actual units were sold versus projected units sold. Of course, we would need to know Apples projections prior to the launch to in order to make an objective assessment on the outcome.
    06-18-2009 09:40 AM
  16. chobbs1's Avatar
    We can now judge the launch based on sales. And it looks as though this was/is a huge launch. I am curious as to how many handsets sold in the us alone over launch weekend??? Anyone know?
    06-27-2009 09:03 AM
  17. chobbs1's Avatar
    Does no one know how many units were sold in the U.S. On launch weeken????
    06-27-2009 10:30 PM
  18. jhamilton3's Avatar
    Does no one know how many units were sold in the U.S. On launch weeken????
    I believe the figure was 1,000,000.
    06-28-2009 01:40 PM
  19. whmurray's Avatar
    Well, no one thought the 3G would have been as big as the 2G launch... well it surpassed it by a lot.

    So, I'm starting to think that those that didn't upgrade from the 2G will definitely be getting the 3Gs.
    Yes, and even with the glitches, the 3GS launch was better managed; moved more phones with shorter lines.
    06-28-2009 02:54 PM
  20. YoungKevin's Avatar
    It will never die
    06-28-2009 03:03 PM
  21. whmurray's Avatar
    I wouldn't be surprised if ATT had this planned all along. Think about it....

    First you introduce the new model and offer the ability to pre-order their phone. Then you rely on forums like this to allow passionate iphone fans to whip up support for the impending launch. This will undoubtedly cause some folks to become upset who are not eliglble for an upgrade, but would upgrade in a heartbeat if given a chance.

    A couple of days before launch, you release this "heartfelt" press release stating "we hear our fans and we just had to respond". All of the sudden the rules regarding eligibility are changed and ATT looks like a hero....building goodwill and additional 3Gs iphone revenues along the way.
    I am thinking about it. I do not give credit for cunning for what can easily be explained by luck. Let's face it; without the iPhone and a lot of luck, AT&T Wireless would be years behind the pack instead of only tens of months. While AT&T has made progress since signing up Apple, they are further behind the curve.
    06-28-2009 03:13 PM
  22. chobbs1's Avatar
    I know that launch weekend sold 1 million (pinky to corner of lip). My question was is that a whole world number or a us number only? One o the points brought up in another thread was that the iPhone only outsold the pre because the pre is not available outside the us. So I was curious as to what the U.S. Sales numbers were.
    06-29-2009 01:21 AM
  23. chobbs1's Avatar
    So the "S"is more toy than anything?? Lol!

    Today I drove past the Apple store at Town Center in Vegas and there was a line out the door! Still? I am kinda shocked that it is still hard to get a 3G"S"
    06-29-2009 02:42 AM
  24. jhamilton3's Avatar
    I know that launch weekend sold 1 million (pinky to corner of lip). My question was is that a whole world number or a us number only? One o the points brought up in another thread was that the iPhone only outsold the pre because the pre is not available outside the us. So I was curious as to what the U.S. Sales numbers were.
    I can't remember.. the number I saw was being reported by U.S. sites..
    06-29-2009 02:58 AM
  25. thinkTwice's Avatar
    My friends have backordered the 3gs, I am the only one with one because I waited in line on launch day.
    06-29-2009 01:27 PM
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