1. Dalekkiller's Avatar
    I just got told a cool little new feature coming in 2.1. There's an option to turn on if someone fails to enter your passcode 10 times then the device is erased.

    Ouch, think I'll leave that one off otherwise I could wipe my own phone after a wild night!!
    09-11-2008 02:13 PM
  2. Reaktor5's Avatar
    Ouch, think I'll leave that one off otherwise I could wipe my own phone after a wild night!!
    You still have to wait between passcode tries. If you get a few wrong passcodes in a row it will lock you out. So 3 minutes, then 10 minutes, etc. x 10! You still have plenty of chances.
    I see it working for people who are worried about losing their phone with sensitive information.
    09-11-2008 02:16 PM
  3. nolongercurvin's Avatar
    It is starting to feel like we were the "test bed" for this phone. Release it and fix the problems on the fly. VERY un-Apple. I have been waiting for this thig to live up to the promise.....a computer in my pocket. And the apps??!!! PLEASE. Lightsaber?? Magic 8 ball?? Once again, Apple abandoned us. Put the phone out, and told the world "YOU go make it great". We'll just collect our cut, and if it sucks, it won't be our fault. I am waiting to see the "improved" battery life. I paid for a 3g phone, and have to run EDGE to have the battery last the day. Fingers are crossed.......
    09-11-2008 02:16 PM
  4. Jeremy's Avatar
    It is starting to feel like we were the "test bed" for this phone. Release it and fix the problems on the fly. VERY un-Apple. I have been waiting for this thig to live up to the promise.....a computer in my pocket. And the apps??!!! PLEASE. Lightsaber?? Magic 8 ball?? Once again, Apple abandoned us. Put the phone out, and told the world "YOU go make it great". We'll just collect our cut, and if it sucks, it won't be our fault. I am waiting to see the "improved" battery life. I paid for a 3g phone, and have to run EDGE to have the battery last the day. Fingers are crossed.......
    To be fair there are over 3000 apps out there... all kinds. Some good, some bad... I know you've come from a BB so how many BB apps are there today available at your fingertips?

    Next about the battery. Welcome to the world of 3g phones my friend... With BB you have not had to deal with it. Well now they have the Bold but that's another story. But I do know Crackberry Kevin keeps his Bold on Edge to save battery life. So honestly the battery is not bad compared to other 3g devices. But it can be better.

    Hopefully starting tomorrow.
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 09-11-2008 at 02:22 PM.
    09-11-2008 02:20 PM
  5. Reaktor5's Avatar
    It is starting to feel like we were the "test bed" for this phone. Release it and fix the problems on the fly. VERY un-Apple. I have been waiting for this thig to live up to the promise.....a computer in my pocket. And the apps??!!! PLEASE. Lightsaber?? Magic 8 ball?? Once again, Apple abandoned us. Put the phone out, and told the world "YOU go make it great". We'll just collect our cut, and if it sucks, it won't be our fault. I am waiting to see the "improved" battery life. I paid for a 3g phone, and have to run EDGE to have the battery last the day. Fingers are crossed.......
    Well they did that with Leopard too. A lot of tech release are like that, release it rather than delay it and fix the known issues with future updates. It's not Apple's fault that apps you want to see aren't being developed. If you have good ideas you can make your own app or collaborate with someone else who already is developing, that's the beauty of the App Store. As far as battery life, I've been told that the battery life improvement is dramatic.
    09-11-2008 02:20 PM
  6. Reaktor5's Avatar
    The sort by "Song" view in iPod, now displays album and artist information for each song. The iPod touch also has this in their 2.1 update.
    09-11-2008 02:22 PM
  7. cardfan's Avatar
    I'm not saying anything negative of bug fixes. They are appreciated as i've been in the opposite end with my old palm 700p that went over a year without one.

    But i'd be lying if i said i didn't anticipate apple would be forthcoming with features. I may have bought the phone as advertised, but i expected minor features that were missing to be added at some point. Obviously that won't happen with 2.1 and i don't see another major patch til next year.

    If they can clear up the bugs as promised, perhaps it will be worthy of a 2.1 name. The last few minor patches promising the same did no such thing though.

    Still, i told myself i'd see what 2.1 would bring. It will take it being bug free for me not to switch to the touch pro or diamond. I can easily ebay the iphone 3g and make back everything i've spent on this including the eft fee. Slingbox on the touch would be pretty cool and i know apple isn't going to allow that..or tethering. At this point, i'd miss some of the games offered on the iphone (i love galcon) but i think i could get over it.
    09-11-2008 02:28 PM
  8. Dalekkiller's Avatar
    You still have to wait between passcode tries. If you get a few wrong passcodes in a row it will lock you out. So 3 minutes, then 10 minutes, etc. x 10! You still have plenty of chances.
    I see it working for people who are worried about losing their phone with sensitive information.
    At least it's optional - I'm not keen on losing everything if I ever did forget my password. I used to have something similar on my car stereo, if you put in the wrong password, the intervals got longer until you were locked out and had to get a dealer to unlock it. Still, it is a good idea for that reason you state.
    09-11-2008 02:29 PM
  9. Jeremy's Avatar
    I'm not saying anything negative of bug fixes. They are appreciated as i've been in the opposite end with my old palm 700p that went over a year without one.

    But i'd be lying if i said i didn't anticipate apple would be forthcoming with features. I may have bought the phone as advertised, but i expected minor features that were missing to be added at some point. Obviously that won't happen with 2.1 and i don't see another major patch til next year.

    If they can clear up the bugs as promised, perhaps it will be worthy of a 2.1 name. The last few minor patches promising the same did no such thing though.

    Still, i told myself i'd see what 2.1 would bring. It will take it being bug free for me not to switch to the touch pro or diamond. I can easily ebay the iphone 3g and make back everything i've spent on this including the eft fee. Slingbox on the touch would be pretty cool and i know apple isn't going to allow that..or tethering. At this point, i'd miss some of the games offered on the iphone (i love galcon) but i think i could get over it.
    I can tell you that the creators of PDAnet are working on a tethering app for the iPhone. But it will require you to jailbreak. At least it does in the beta stage. Hope this makes you feel somewhat better.
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 09-11-2008 at 02:35 PM.
    09-11-2008 02:30 PM
  10. JustinHorn's Avatar
    Ouch, think I'll leave that one off otherwise I could wipe my own phone after a wild night!!
    Same thing I thought

    I think if I upgraded to exchange 2007 (maybe on 2003?) there is a way to wipe my device remotely so I'll just stick with that just in case I somehow lose it.


    And to all the people out there that are saying "the public is the beta testers" when you have devices like computer and the iPhone it is IMPOSSIBLE to catch all the bugs. You just can't simulate everything in the lab or small group of beta testers. If you buy a device in the first month or so that it comes out expect it to not be 100% perfect. What defines a company is how they react to it and how quickly they can get fixes out. With the internet now at least we can get updates quickly and easily.
    09-11-2008 02:35 PM
  11. Dalekkiller's Avatar
    I'm wondering if this is a big update (I'm sure I heard something when I watched the keynote or maybe I read it somewhere). Maybe one of the reasons it's free for touch users upgrading from 2.x is some sort of compensation for all the bugs. Then again, maybe it's just a minor fix. Oh well, hopefully we'll know in 24 hours.
    09-11-2008 02:37 PM
  12. JustinHorn's Avatar
    I'm wondering if this is a big update (I'm sure I heard something when I watched the keynote or maybe I read it somewhere). Maybe one of the reasons it's free for touch users upgrading from 2.x is some sort of compensation for all the bugs. Then again, maybe it's just a minor fix. Oh well, hopefully we'll know in 24 hours.
    Most software gets free updates in the same family. When it goes to 3.x there will probably be another small charge. Or they may just change their ways and give it away free like they did for first gen iPhones.
    09-11-2008 02:39 PM
  13. Jeremy's Avatar
    I'm wondering if this is a big update (I'm sure I heard something when I watched the keynote or maybe I read it somewhere). Maybe one of the reasons it's free for touch users upgrading from 2.x is some sort of compensation for all the bugs. Then again, maybe it's just a minor fix. Oh well, hopefully we'll know in 24 hours.
    Steve did say it was a major update.
    09-11-2008 02:40 PM
  14. Dalekkiller's Avatar

    And to all the people out there that are saying "the public is the beta testers" when you have devices like computer and the iPhone it is IMPOSSIBLE to catch all the bugs. You just can't simulate everything in the lab or small group of beta testers. If you buy a device in the first month or so that it comes out expect it to not be 100% perfect. What defines a company is how they react to it and how quickly they can get fixes out. With the internet now at least we can get updates quickly and easily.
    It did feel as though we were being used as testers. 2.0.1 came out pretty quickly and then 2.0.2 came out exactly 2 weeks later. I'm no expert, but that did look as if they hadn't checked out 2.0.1 fully as the next update just said "bug fixes". Although those affected by problems in 2.0.2 were making a noise, Apple didn't say or do anything for quite a while. Still, it's all going to be better now and we can go back to being one big happy Apple family.
    09-11-2008 02:43 PM
  15. Dalekkiller's Avatar
    Most software gets free updates in the same family. When it goes to 3.x there will probably be another small charge. Or they may just change their ways and give it away free like they did for first gen iPhones.
    Oh well, just trying to fill in the time until the update comes.
    09-11-2008 02:45 PM
  16. spsands's Avatar
    Well they did that with Leopard too. A lot of tech release are like that, release it rather than delay it and fix the known issues with future updates. It's not Apple's fault that apps you want to see aren't being developed. If you have good ideas you can make your own app or collaborate with someone else who already is developing, that's the beauty of the App Store. As far as battery life, I've been told that the battery life improvement is dramatic.

    I can make it all day on the battery on 3g as long as I dont surf the internet all day. And that is with pushing email every 15 min. As far as the apps go, 3,000 apps in one place is great. When I had my curve, I had to search several sites to find certain apps/themes. The great thing about the iphone is its integration with itunes and the rest of the mac platform. All the Apps in one place is waay better than hopping bb sites and not knowing who to trust for downloads. Here, we at least get the mental reassurance that Apple is at least monitoring these apps for "phoning home" and if by chance we find out differently, we have a place to voice our frustrations and someone (apple) to make sure that there is regulation so others dont get burned.

    With the 2.1 fix and Apples responsiveness to problems how can you complain. RIM still doesnt even have html email unless you take the hack version of 4.5... which is going to be release WHEN??

    Ultimately, I think that the 300$ I spent to get the iphone 3g and the 20$ I spent unlocking my Curve to give to my sister was well spent. The Iphone kills the BB.
    09-11-2008 04:34 PM
  17. Dalekkiller's Avatar
    Apple's responsiveness to problems? I did laugh at that as I put in an email request to support over two weeks ago and still haven't got a response apart from an automated response telling me someone would get back to me "usually within 48 hours"

    Still, I suppose 2.1 is a kind of response, just not the one I was expecting to get!
    09-11-2008 04:53 PM
  18. cardfan's Avatar
    Well it'd be nice if i could sync. Running vista, everytime i plug the iphone up..boom..blue screen of death. From what i've read, this is a common problem.

    nice job there apple..
    09-11-2008 05:26 PM
  19. Jeremy's Avatar
    Well it'd be nice if i could sync. Running vista, everytime i plug the iphone up..boom..blue screen of death. From what i've read, this is a common problem.

    nice job there apple..
    iTunes 8 + Vista = BSOD? WT*, QA! | The iPhone Blog

    Gotta love Vista...
    09-11-2008 05:28 PM
  20. Dalekkiller's Avatar
    Well it'd be nice if i could sync. Running vista, everytime i plug the iphone up..boom..blue screen of death. From what i've read, this is a common problem.

    nice job there apple..
    Yes I read about that problem as well but it was after I'd synced my ipod. I'm running Vista as well and it's given me problems with upgrades in other programs.
    09-11-2008 05:38 PM
  21. spsands's Avatar
    Well it'd be nice if i could sync. Running vista, everytime i plug the iphone up..boom..blue screen of death. From what i've read, this is a common problem.

    nice job there apple..
    thats more of vista being um... well to be polite, cheap. Most vista users I know switched back to xp... Then again, Im not a pc user. My wife and I have an ibook, a powerbook, a ipod 2nd gen, ipod nano 1st gen, ipod video 5 gen, an iphone, and an iphone 3g.

    but maybe 2.1 will fix some of those issues too? who knows. 2.1 seems to be the hot thing right now, for all we know it could cure cancer, kill bin laden and cause the fall of microsoft all in a single day!
    09-11-2008 05:38 PM
  22. Dalekkiller's Avatar
    The problem's not due to Vista itself but camera/scanner software. The problem I had with my other program was due to Google desktop rather than just vista. Oh the whole, I much prefer vista to xp - it certainly runs better and I've not had the blue screens of death with vista.
    09-11-2008 05:53 PM
  23. cardfan's Avatar
    The problem is due to apple. Geez, this isn't rocket science. Itunes 7.7 ran fine or at least fine enough to sync. Itunes 8? BSOD. It's not vista. it's not that scanner or hp printer. It's something called itunes 8 not doing what its supposed to.

    Vista is much better than xp, supports much more.
    09-12-2008 09:54 AM
  24. cardfan's Avatar
    An inside look at Apple’s sneaky iTunes 8 upgrade | Ed Bott’s Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com

    Maybe because this isnt a simple software update. Once again, Apple is using its automatic update process to deliver massive amounts of new software to users, including a device driver that has a long and checkered history of causing the Blue Screen Of Death to appear. And its delivering this massive payload without even a pretense of proper disclosure and without asking consent from its users.
    09-12-2008 10:33 AM
  25. spsands's Avatar
    An inside look at Apples sneaky iTunes 8 upgrade | Ed Botts Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com

    Maybe because this isnt a simple software update. Once again, Apple is using its automatic update process to deliver massive amounts of new software to users, including a device driver that has a long and checkered history of causing the Blue Screen Of Death to appear. And its delivering this massive payload without even a pretense of proper disclosure and without asking consent from its users.
    The long and checkered history is only on windows machines. And by asking consent you must be referring to Windows long history of autoupdates that run in the background and invisible to most users??

    Apples disclosure is in the fact that all of those drivers, software etc, are PART of Itunes and quicktime. Its the fluidness of all the whole Mac OS platform and the whole idea behind syncing all of your mobile devices, Ipod/Iphone/laptop/desktop. The author of that article tries to make it sound like Apple is being sneaky about something but theres nothing sneaky about Itunes, your iphone, ipods etc being completely integrated. That is public knowledge that you find in every page on apple.com/every mac ad on tv etc.

    Its ridiculous that the author puts the onus of this on apple, when even xp users or vista 7.x users didnt have that trouble.

    Its simply a PC hugger trying to act like a victim for once. And I have little sympathy for someone who chooses to run an apple product off of a windows machine. Kinda sucks to not be able to have certain programs or software or hardware you want to run huh? However, I knew full well when I switched to Mac, that I would have some troubles with compatibility. Gates has made no pretense about cross-platform non-compatability... So be thankfull you can run your iphone off those PCs to begin with.
    09-30-2008 09:12 PM
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