1. surur's Avatar
    The HTC Touch was in development well before Apple showed its wears. How long exactly do you think it takes to bring a phone to market?

    Surur
    07-27-2007 11:50 AM
  2. braj's Avatar
    The HTC Touch was in development well before Apple showed its wears. How long exactly do you think it takes to bring a phone to market?

    Surur
    Interesting. Could Apple actually have announced/released early to keep from looking like a follower instead of a leader? Obviously the multitouch on the iPhone is ahead overall vs the Touch (more completely integrated where the Touch is only partial, and not multitouch as I understand it). The Touch did release before the iPhone but as bubbatex shows, the perception is that they were playing catchup after the iPhone announcment.
    07-27-2007 12:01 PM
  3. bubbatex's Avatar
    Humm, the iPhone is not made in the US - wonder what company(s) saw that design as the manufacturing was being shopped in Asia???

    It was a natural assumption as soon as Apple was rumored to be working on a phone what it was going to look like - an iPod.
    07-27-2007 12:14 PM
  4. surur's Avatar
    Remember the LG PRADA, which looks strikingly like the iPhone and even has a capacitive screen, was shown months (and even won a design award) before the iPhone was even announced.

    Surur
    07-27-2007 12:37 PM
  5. bubbatex's Avatar
    Hey - don't really want to argue about "who was first". The "perception" is that Apple is leading the pack with a new design and interface that is NOT WM or POS. Regardless of who was designing or planning whatever - iPhone will pave the way to both better design and integration on the phone side and more acceptance/use of "convergence devices" on the consumer side.
    07-27-2007 12:45 PM
  6. mikec#IM's Avatar
    BTW, I have heard from a friend at Apple that the next rev of the iPhone is coming for Xmas. That's as much as they would say, but the source is solid.
    Don't tease...details.
    07-27-2007 01:27 PM
  7. braj's Avatar
    Don't tease...details.
    That's all I heard, they wouldn't say anything else. I don't think they have that much to tell but do know that it is coming. The one caveat is that they could mean a software update, not a new device. This person isn't on the iPhone team themselves. I don't even know what product they work on.
    07-27-2007 01:38 PM
  8. bubbatex's Avatar
    Well Edgadget has posted something similar from an Apple "insider" - a "Nano" type lower cost phone for Christmas.

    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/0...e-nano-rumors/
    07-27-2007 01:58 PM
  9. Malatesta's Avatar
    Interesting. Could Apple actually have announced/released early to keep from looking like a follower instead of a leader? Obviously the multitouch on the iPhone is ahead overall vs the Touch (more completely integrated where the Touch is only partial, and not multitouch as I understand it). The Touch did release before the iPhone but as bubbatex shows, the perception is that they were playing catchup after the iPhone announcment.
    Well, Jobs said they announced the iPhone early because with the FCC and testing there would be no way they could keep it "secret", so they wanted to announced it on their terms.

    As far this 'catchup' or 'leading' thing, everyone involved in the smartphone biz knows where it's heading: large, smooth touch screens, touch friendly, etc. MS has been working on it for "Photon" for about 2 years now, POSII is the same with large touchable icons. In other words, this was a natural trend/evolution of the industry. True, Apple sort of "got their first" but just about everyone was headed in that direction anyways.
    07-27-2007 02:20 PM
  10. braj's Avatar
    So, I like the pictures I've seen posted from the iPhone camera. 2.0 MP is high enough resolution and still reasonable to send via email. But why no video?? Anyhow, next rev maybe
    07-27-2007 02:24 PM
  11. surur's Avatar
    Actually the 2 Megapixel pictures gets downsized automatically when you send them via e-mail. Its just another one of Apple's little touches, and if you do happen to notice, dont worry, because Apple decided not to worry you with the choice of disabling this feature or not.

    Surur
    07-27-2007 03:05 PM
  12. surur's Avatar
    Hey - don't really want to argue about "who was first". The "perception" is that Apple is leading the pack with a new design and interface that is NOT WM or POS. Regardless of who was designing or planning whatever - iPhone will pave the way to both better design and integration on the phone side and more acceptance/use of "convergence devices" on the consumer side.
    Smokey bear says only you can prevent incorrect perceptions from spreading. I mean, everyone knew Saddam Hussain planned 911, and look how that turned out.

    Surur
    07-27-2007 03:11 PM
  13. braj's Avatar
    Actually the 2 Megapixel pictures gets downsized automatically when you send them via e-mail. Its just another one of Apple's little touches, and if you do happen to notice, dont worry, because Apple decided not to worry you with the choice of disabling this feature or not.

    Surur
    Really? So the only way to get the full sized photo off the device is to sync with iTunes? BTW, I think they should rename iTunes soon since it has grown in scope beyond music.
    07-27-2007 03:13 PM
  14. surur's Avatar
    Really? So the only way to get the full sized photo off the device is to sync with iTunes? BTW, I think they should rename iTunes soon since it has grown in scope beyond music.
    Maybe one of our iPhone owners can comment. Like, can they also say if there is a way to turn of the GSM radio without also turning of the WIFI radio.

    Surur
    07-27-2007 03:30 PM
  15. braj's Avatar
    Maybe one of our iPhone owners can comment. Like, can they also say if there is a way to turn of the GSM radio without also turning of the WIFI radio.

    Surur
    I'd almost say that isn't an issue since the battery life is pretty good on the device. When I would normally expect someone to need the phone off I'd also expect them to need the wifi off, ie. on a plane. But options are good, being able turn both off individually could help extend your battery when you are running low and can't charge it.

    Would you get SMS' via wifi if the phone were off though? Maybe that's why they are tied, so you have to use SMS via ATT, or Apple doesn't want it to look like limited functionality is available if you turn off the phone.
    07-27-2007 03:38 PM
  16. surur's Avatar
    I'd almost say that isn't an issue since the battery life is pretty good on the device. When I would normally expect someone to need the phone off I'd also expect them to need the wifi off, ie. on a plane. But options are good, being able turn both off individually could help extend your battery when you are running low and can't charge it.

    Would you get SMS' via wifi if the phone were off though? Maybe that's why they are tied, so you have to use SMS via ATT, or Apple doesn't want it to look like limited functionality is available if you turn off the phone.
    There are a number of situations e.g. on a plane with WIFI and no cellular radio of course, when overseas when you dont want to roam inadvertently, deep inside a building with WIFI but poor/no GSM reception, when trying to extend the battery life when you know you wont be getting to a charger soon etc.

    Surur
    07-27-2007 03:47 PM
  17. Insertion's Avatar
    you have room for another poster over there at your place?
    It's an open forum, anyone can join. Even Surur has an account there! Hell, even Septimus made a post.
    07-27-2007 04:07 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    It's an open forum, anyone can join. Even Surur has an account there! Hell, even Septimus made a post.
    Now you've turned him off

    Surur
    07-27-2007 04:09 PM
  19. Insertion's Avatar
    Really? So the only way to get the full sized photo off the device is to sync with iTunes? BTW, I think they should rename iTunes soon since it has grown in scope beyond music.
    You have to sync to get full rez photos off of it. Email reduces it to 640x480, or thereabouts
    07-27-2007 04:11 PM
  20. braj's Avatar
    You have to sync to get full rez photos off of it. Email reduces it to 640x480, or thereabouts
    That's not so bad for sharing, but being limited feels... limiting
    07-27-2007 04:21 PM
  21. mobileman's Avatar
    Maybe one of our iPhone owners can comment. Like, can they also say if there is a way to turn of the GSM radio without also turning of the WIFI radio.

    Surur
    You cannot turn WI-FI on when you are in airplane mode. A message will pop-up claiming if your continue, Airplane mode will be turned off. Can't see this as a very big issue though.
    07-27-2007 04:29 PM
  22. surur's Avatar
    You cannot turn WI-FI on when you are in airplane mode. A message will pop-up claiming if your continue, Airplane mode will be turned off. Can't see this as a very big issue though.
    Just one of many many many many little issues that would make me feel I am using a feature phone, not smartphone.

    Surur
    07-27-2007 04:33 PM
  23. braj's Avatar
    You cannot turn WI-FI on when you are in airplane mode. A message will pop-up claiming if your continue, Airplane mode will be turned off. Can't see this as a very big issue though.
    What is available to you in airplane mode?

    edit: what I would want to see: my calendar, my contacts, my notes, cached Google Maps would be nice, all the things I may want to check before getting off the plane. Basically everything that doesn't require net access. Maybe even Safari if I can use the trick cmailer said can allow documents stored locally.
    07-27-2007 04:35 PM
  24. braj's Avatar
    Just one of many many many many little issues that would make me feel I am using a feature phone, not smartphone.

    Surur
    I totally understand as I have many of the same issues (and thus haven't bought one yet), but let's make an attempt to keep this on topic regarding the iPhone's strengths There's a whole other long thread for the complaints.
    07-27-2007 04:44 PM
  25. surur's Avatar
    I totally understand as I have many of the same issues (and thus haven't bought one yet), but let's make an attempt to keep this on topic regarding the iPhone's strengths There's a whole other long thread for the complaints.


    I'm actually thinking of importing one for my wife. It would be really exclusive for at least a few months. All I need is for a reliable unlock to be available.

    Surur
    07-27-2007 04:56 PM
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