1. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    Wait until the low to mid level iphone nanos arrive at $199 to $299 price tags. Folks will be dumping their razors for these babies like crazy.
    The Apple rumor mill is like no other. There wont be an iPhone nano.
    07-24-2007 11:04 PM
  2. davidg4781's Avatar
    The Apple rumor mill is like no other. There wont be an iPhone nano.
    And you know this how?

    People said the same about the iPhone, AppleTV, Mac minis, iPods, etc.
    07-24-2007 11:07 PM
  3. taylorh's Avatar
    When I had Cingular for a year I always changed plans without penalty, but now I hear that they operate the same. Verizon allows you to add features without penalty, i.e. data, sms, mms. But thats it. If you are modifying your plan, that to me is changing your contract and they have every right to extend it two years.
    You can modify your rate plan (up/down) without a new contract. But going down you expunge your saved up rollover minutes.
    And I disagree, I don't see any justification for re-upping a contract by simply changing how many minutes you buy. But if changing to new type plan to take advantage of new features (unlimited M2M, etc. or in the case of universal, unlimited calls to AT&T landline) then that would be considered a new promotional plan and a contract seems justified.
    I read on a Yahoo group someone got slapped with a new contract for removing an add-on line from her family plan (the primary holder). That makes no sense at all. It does for the line that was being moved to a single plan, but the family holder shouldn't have to.

    Sorry this is off-topic.
    07-25-2007 12:49 AM
  4. ttrundle's Avatar
    They wanted verizon and verizon said no. That is why they went with ATT

    any real documentation to support your claim?
    07-25-2007 12:59 AM
  5. Certs's Avatar
    Another one of these threads?

    The phone had a lot of hype, certainly, but we ARE talking about a 5 or 600.00 phone that is only available on one carrier.

    I'm not saying 170k is a lot, I', saying that WHO KNOWS if that's a lot right now? Does anyone know how many 700w's sold the first 2 days? More specifically, in the first 30 hours?

    Despite some post here to the contrary, Palm did hype one of their phones. The 700w. Hawkins and Gates at that press conference announcing "A Treo with Windows Mobile" and advertisements everywhere before it came out. Was it hyped as much as the iPhone? Of course not. But that comparison would be great, considering Treo's were already an established product and so was windows mobile.
    07-25-2007 01:09 AM
  6. theog's Avatar
    Sprint does the same.
    Does sprint allow for a one-time change? I change my sero plan and my date did not change. Of course, I went up so maybe they waived it...

    I agree with some of the others in this post, the iphone is a lot more than about 500,000 sales... this phone will push others to (hopefully MS and Palm) to think more about the UI than before. Maybe they -- or others -- will attempt to follow HTC's lead. I guess you could argue that HTC follow apple, but (I guess) you could have to know how long htc had their product in development....

    Anyway, the iphone it is not a failure by any means. Plus you still have people, like my two cousins, who are waiting until their current contracts are up before making the leap, or even those waiting on iphone ver. 2 before jumping over. I do not want one due to ATT (not very good here, IMO), but many others do....
    07-25-2007 02:50 AM
  7. surur's Avatar
    Exactly how would you change the WM or PalmOs UI without impacting functionality?

    Surur
    07-25-2007 04:15 AM
  8. marcol's Avatar
    Wasn't the first shipment completely sold out over the first weekend? 146,000 sold doesn't sound so bad if only 150,000 were available.
    As I posted in the other thread, it was sold out in all 1800 AT&T stores and 24 of the 164 Apple stores by the end of Saturday (some, IIRC, sold out Friday night) and was sold out everywhere by Thursday:

    http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/30/...ut-of-iphones/
    http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/05/...stores-almost/

    Given that 140 Apple stores where still selling phones Sunday to Thursday and the 146,000 number is activations not sales, it seems only only reasonable to conclude that the initial shipment to stores was a fair bit more than 150,000. There will have been web sales too of course and none of those would appear in these early activation numbers (I don't think they shipped until the second week of July).

    We need more info.
    Agreed.
    07-25-2007 04:59 AM
  9. marcol's Avatar
    Until the new site comes up, I can not do it. The links breaks between here and PhoneDifferent.

    It will be addressed in the future.
    Thanks for the info.
    07-25-2007 05:02 AM
  10. mobileman's Avatar
    Exactly how would you change the WM or PalmOs UI without impacting functionality?

    Surur
    for WM:
    Get rid of the start menu, get rid of the toolbars on top and bottom of sreen, make it easy to switch fonts (like the blackberry).

    for Palm OS:
    who cares, hasn't been updated in years.
    07-25-2007 09:17 AM
  11. surur's Avatar
    for WM:
    Get rid of the start menu, get rid of the toolbars on top and bottom of sreen, make it easy to switch fonts (like the blackberry).
    But where would you put your status information if you take away the top toolbar, and softkeys at the bottom are rather traditional in mobile phones.

    The start menu is just a task switcher, with a MRU used list. I really dont get the issues people have with it. Its greatest sin is probably that its stylus-centric, but using shortcuts it still works rather well with a keyboard.

    Surur
    07-25-2007 09:25 AM
  12. Freak4Dell's Avatar
    Why would you get rid of the start menu? How would you get to your programs, then? Don't tell me that everyone would have to use one of those programs where it places a bunch of icons on your Today screen, because not everyone likes those, me included.

    The top toolbar holds the information for your phone. Without it, there's no way to tell how much battery you have left, what your signal level is, or what the time is. Again, don't tell me about one of those programs that puts these things on your Today screen.

    The softkey stuff on the bottom is also essential, not so much for the Today screen, but for other programs. 3rd party programs are all different, and the softkey functions a different way for every one of them. I know there's been many times when I think I'm clicking continue and instead end up clicking cancel or back or something.
    07-25-2007 09:50 AM
  13. marcol's Avatar
    Why would you get rid of the start menu? How would you get to your programs, then? Don't tell me that everyone would have to use one of those programs where it places a bunch of icons on your Today screen, because not everyone likes those, me included.
    I'd guess you'd have a home screen and a dedicated hard button to get to it, the way Palm OS, S60 and iPhone do it. That's pretty top of my WM UI wish list.
    07-25-2007 10:32 AM
  14. surur's Avatar
    I'd guess you'd have a home screen and a dedicated hard button to get to it, the way Palm OS, S60 and iPhone do it. That's pretty top of my WM UI wish list.
    You can get to at least 12 apps from the start menu. I dont see the point in replacing it with a button that takes you to the Programs folder. I think it saves you time on average.

    You put your 7 favourite apps on the start menu, and the 5 Most Recently Used contains the other ones. This way you avoid scrolling if you use the Zip utility a lot.

    Surur
    07-25-2007 10:43 AM
  15. oalvarez's Avatar
    I'd guess you'd have a home screen and a dedicated hard button to get to it, the way Palm OS, S60 and iPhone do it. That's pretty top of my WM UI wish list.
    yes, i think it's much easier to have them on a home screen as well. i don't care for the "push start (hopefully with your finger), select program (hopefully the one you need is on the list). that is one thing i will give Palm, it's home screen, but that's about it!
    07-25-2007 11:05 AM
  16. marcol's Avatar
    You can get to at least 12 apps from the start menu. I dont see the point in replacing it with a button that takes you to the Programs folder. I think it saves you time on average.

    You put your 7 favourite apps on the start menu, and the 5 Most Recently Used contains the other ones. This way you avoid scrolling if you use the Zip utility a lot.
    It's a while since I used WM, but as I recall I ended up assigning some Start menu slots to things that weren't apps - like the Today screen button, Programs folder, Settings folder - and assigning other slots to basic 'housekeeping' apps like File Explorer, Find and Help. Add in a few slots for recent apps and pretty soon you're down to just a handful of slots for main apps that are always there. Whether this is ok for you probably depends on your usage patterns, but I found quite infuriating after the simplicity of the Palm solution: hit the home button and all of your apps are there.
    07-25-2007 11:12 AM
  17. marcol's Avatar
    yes, i think it's much easier to have them on a home screen as well. i don't care for the "push start (hopefully with your finger), select program (hopefully the one you need is on the list). that is one thing i will give Palm, it's home screen, but that's about it!
    I seem to recall a comment on Photon (from Ed Hardy at Brighthand possibly) along the lines of 'with Photon you'll be able to everything from one screen'. Sounds more like my cup of tea.

    EDIT. Here's the quote from Ed:

    With Photon, Microsoft's developers have made great improvements in ease of use. Imagine being able to control every facet of your device from one screen, with one hand. You'll be able to do that with Photon.
    http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12490
    07-25-2007 11:17 AM
  18. mobileman's Avatar
    I'd guess you'd have a home screen and a dedicated hard button to get to it, the way Palm OS, S60 and iPhone do it. That's pretty top of my WM UI wish list.
    Exactly....Blackberry, Palm OS, and Symbian users get along just fine without the start menu. Some type of status bar will always be neessary on the top. I would like to see one that goes away when you dont need it.

    I dont know how WM treo users can stand the top and bottom bar on a 240x240 device.
    07-25-2007 11:22 AM
  19. marcol's Avatar
    I dont know how WM treo users can stand the top and bottom bar on a 240x240 device.
    Agreed. They're a ridiculous size. I don't know why Microsoft didn't scale them proportionately.
    07-25-2007 11:29 AM
  20. surur's Avatar
    It's a while since I used WM, but as I recall I ended up assigning some Start menu slots to things that weren't apps - like the Today screen button, Programs folder, Settings folder - and assigning other slots to basic 'housekeeping' apps like File Explorer, Find and Help. Add in a few slots for recent apps and pretty soon you're down to just a handful of slots for main apps that are always there. Whether this is ok for you probably depends on your usage patterns, but I found quite infuriating after the simplicity of the Palm solution: hit the home button and all of your apps are there.
    You remember pretty wrong. There are still 7 user assignable slots AFTER Today, Programs and Settings. Help can be kept or left off as needed. Now you are right that there are some apps that you almost always need, like the file explorer and maybe contacts and calender (though these are hard buttons on many devices) but for the average person 7 apps are already a lot of apps. In addition there are also 5 MRU apps which are different from the apps already preselected. On a 240 screen they are small icons on top of the start menu, and on a 320 screen they are added to the list as full entries.

    I think the system works pretty well. I think the biggest problem really is the the MRU gets cleared after a soft reset, leading one to have to go to the programs sub-menu, but if you dont reset a lot the system is pretty efficient.

    Surur
    07-25-2007 12:56 PM
  21. marcol's Avatar
    You remember pretty wrong. There are still 7 user assignable slots AFTER Today, Programs and Settings. Help can be kept or left off as needed. Now you are right that there are some apps that you almost always need, like the file explorer and maybe contacts and calender (though these are hard buttons on many devices) but for the average person 7 apps are already a lot of apps. In addition there are also 5 MRU apps which are different from the apps already preselected. On a 240 screen they are small icons on top of the start menu, and on a 320 screen they are added to the list as full entries.
    It's true I seem to have forgot some of the precise details, but I certainly remember the frustration! If it works fine for some that's great, all I'm saying is it didn't for me (and as other posts in this thread indicate, I'm certainly not the only one).
    07-25-2007 01:07 PM
  22. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    And you know this how?

    People said the same about the iPhone, AppleTV, Mac minis, iPods, etc.
    I just know what makes sense. The iPhones advantage is its big bright screen which would be totally eliminated by making the device smaller. Mobile Safari wont work well on a screen thats much smaller than the one its on.


    any real documentation to support your claim?
    It was widely reported:


    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...n-iphone_x.htm
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/v...e-iphone-deal/
    http://news.com.com/Verizon+Wireless...3-6154287.html
    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...hone_deal.html
    07-25-2007 01:42 PM
  23. Freak4Dell's Avatar
    I agree with surur. It saves time to just go through the programs in the start menu. I know that I use Google Maps, IE, Solitare, Bubble Breaker, and a couple of other things a lot more than I use some of the other programs, so it's a lot easier for me to hit the start button and scroll down to those programs. I only go to the main programs list when I need to use something like Word or something. Honestly I don't like the POS Home screen. I like the Today screen a lot better because it doesn't look so cluttered with all these icons.
    07-25-2007 01:44 PM
  24. braj's Avatar
    I just know what makes sense. The iPhones advantage is its big bright screen which would be totally eliminated by making the device smaller. Mobile Safari wont work well on a screen thats much smaller than the one its on.
    I'm not saying you're wrong and that an iPhone nano is on the way, but Apple could make a small iPhone sans web browser (but with nice web widgets maybe) that was also a great 2GB iPod.
    07-25-2007 01:46 PM
  25. taylorh's Avatar
    I'm not saying you're wrong and that an iPhone nano is on the way, but Apple could make a small iPhone sans web browser (but with nice web widgets maybe) that was also a great 2GB iPod.
    From the rumors I read, the "iPhone Nano" is really just an iPod with a phone added on, no data functionality (no web, email, widgets, etc.) I'm sure it'd have the PDA capability like the iPod alreay has. But imagine an ipod (video I don't know) with only 1 extra feature, a phone.
    Just what I thin you're describing. For that matter I don't think it's really a "nano" but I'm sure it'd be smaller since it doesn't need the giant screen.
    07-25-2007 02:07 PM
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