mobileman
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Now wait a minute, everybody was hating on me, and now surur is getting the brunt of that. I feel so left out... ;-)
dont worry, your a charter member of the trifecta. Who is in charge, you,Surur, or Mal?
Now wait a minute, everybody was hating on me, and now surur is getting the brunt of that. I feel so left out... ;-)
Surur you are changing the subject. I have admitted to every flaw in the device. (And it's still a better pdf viewer because i can see an entire page and read it. At 240x240, you cannot. I can also zoom and navigate it more easily. I know, I've tried it on WM, and everyone who i know who has WM prefers iphone for this task. And I can email a pdf to someone else as well. No, i can't search it, but since all pdfs i deal with are not ocr'd, i wouldn't be able to do this on my desktop, either. And zooming with two fingers is damned helpful when you have a giant pdf that you want to navigate almost as quickly as a stack of paper, so your flippant comment is just ignorant and more evidence you've never tried it).
Now, back to the subject. You said "iphone users demand so little." You continue to insist that anyone who values different features than you, or has different needs than you, or who values a few quality features over quantity of features, is irrational, naive, has low standards, etc. It's disrespectful, and judging by the general lack of people rushing to your defense, it's obviously so.
It's fine to disagree with me, and it's fine to state facts and present arguments, but starting a few pages ago all you've come up with is, essentially, "the fact that you have different needs and requirements than me is illegitimate."
And the fact that you think pdf viewing on your device is as good as on iphone is just another example of you straying from your safety zone of relying on copying first-hand reports; anyone who's actually TRIED an iphone and a WM device would be hard-pressed to summarily declare "my device is a better pdf viewer." That's like arguing Word is the best html editor, because it offers mail merge.
dont worry, your a charter member of the trifecta. Who is in charge, you,Surur, or Mal?
You are sticking to your own definition of "capable." Not everyone needs to do what you do with their phone. If people just want the best mobile browser on the planet, email, text messaging, phone, decent camera plus a lot more then this phone is indeed capable. I have no need to be restricted to a smaller, less clear screen. I have no need to use outlook on my personal phone, I have no need for most of what you are claiming the iPhone can't do. So how is any other device any more capable than the iPhone if the iPhone does everything i need it to?
Your implication here is derogatory and shows the failure of your argument. My requirements aren't "lower" than yours, theyre different. I require a larger screen, better browser, more stable OS, cleaner interface and style. I could say that anyone who doesnt require those has "low requirements," but that would be stupid because different people value different features more/less.
I don't think I ever complain about people having different views.
As far as the number of posts, I'm not sure that is ever relevant (except maybe for the super-noob with one posts saying "I just got the inside scoop and the a 30GB, 3G, fully open iPhone is coming on Dec 1 and it's $199!").
Mobileman,
your requirements are illegitimate. It is proper to want to view gigantic animated gifs, but not proper to want to read the ny times with full formating. it is proper to want to be able to save pdfs on your phone, but not to be able to view stunning movies on it. it is improper to accept 320x480, and you should be willing to accept a pocket-busting form factor.
if you weren't such a newbie, you would know that you are simply not asking enough from your phone.
(http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1211953)- why iReturned.
Fit Dennis 07-30-2007 01:57
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why iReturned.
I did it. My beloved iPhone went back today. The last day of the return policy. Here's why iReturned
Email- It's Beautiful, but not as complex as I'm used to. On my Blackberry BIS all mail sent from my handheld is also in the sent box on my online server. And now that HTML email is available on Blackberry I'm at no loss.
My Fiancee and I will have full on email conversations since she sits at a desk all day and I'm on the go, so waiting 15 mins to get email was downright painful. Manually retreiving every time is not an elegant solution.
And not having the ability to mark multiple items racked my nerves everytime my email went off. Which brings me to the fact I couldn't set different alerts for different email accounts. This is HUGE for me as I make full use of 5 different accounts. Some I want instant notification. Some I don't. Some are more urgent than others. Blackberry allows me to hear a different alert for each account and alows me to decide whether to take out the device to deal with it at that time or not.
SMS- As a event promoter on the side I often send SMS messages to upwards of 700 people at one time. Blackberry alows me to make a group of all those people and select the group as the recipient. Enough said. Blackberry also shows as a chat just not as pretty.
Maps- I thought I'd miss this until iRemembered Beyond411 for blackberry. Exact same functionality. No loss
MP3- As much as I use my iPod I was SEVERELY limiting my phone time use. So I'm back to my 80gig Ipod and Blackberry Curve.
There's more but these where the biggies. I went through 5 iPhones. in 14 days. That's just not kosher. I'll try it again when they give me a replaceable battery
yes.
Unlike surur, who has now resorted to "it just is!" as an argument, while ignoring my repeated assertions that being able to view an entire page in readable form and being able to navigate effortlessly are the reason why. (And yes, his higher resolution is even better, but that still doesn't buy him the ease of navigation. And I believe that's one gigantic device.)
He also now is arguing in a loop. iphone users have low requirements because the iphone can't do much. Not that it can't do much that HE IS INTERESTED IN, mind you. It just can't do much. How does he know it can't do much? because iphone users have low requirements. That is why any time an iphone user points out a useful feature or benefit they derive from the device it doesn't count. iphone can do pinch and spread to zoom? that's only impressive because iphone users are dolts; ease of document navigation is not a legitimate feature. iphone has an incredible screen for viewing movies? iphone users value features that are not important. That's just bling. iphone can do email better than can versamail on palm? that can't be good enough for anyone, because some other phone can do it even better, and therefore iphone users have low requirements. (what? you mean you don't need lotus notes connectivity? troglodyte!) iphone fits in your pocket, unlike whatever beast of a device allows easy viewing of pdfs? get bigger pockets!
There's a difference, which I think people recognize, between pointing out differences between devices and shortcomings of devices, and refusing to acknowledge that one user's requirements are just as legitimate as another's.
Look, some-one returned the iphone because its less capable. He should have know it was just "differently" capable.
(http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1211953)
Surur
spb makes some nice stuff, though. But, yeah, it's a little bit of making lemonade out of lemons.
So WM5 is a lemon?
Stop the presses, Surur has discovered somebody that has returned their iPhone. This clearly proves all his points. The iPhone is doomed.
I'm moving back to Windows Mobile because I have to have animated gifs. Classic.
Surur, Please tell me what device your viewing full webpages on.
When you need to purchase a 3rd party shell replacement, I would say so.
I can use either, but its better on the VGA screen. I can then cut and paste on either, and post the comments into this thread. I can then download a gif from somewhere and upload it to imageshack, like this.
I can then view the post in full on either device
I guess they are more capable devices, independent of the resolution or size of the screen.
Surur
So Palm OS would qualify too? And Symbian? (I think that can have custom skins, someone please correct)
So basically every smartphone in the world is a lemon? (Except the iPhone, of course).
If you read that person's posts, they had some legit reasons. Why not address those, rather than surur's post.
I sure don't have the need to send 700 SMS messages at once (ex. groups), but some people do. And I guess the iPhone's SMS client does not have that yet. Dealbreaker for me? No, but it was for someone.
No, those devices dont need the shell replacement to make their OS usable. Optional only. Notice how Palm OS, Symbian, blackberry, and now the iPhone do not have a start menu.
No, those devices dont need the shell replacement to make their OS usable. Optional only. Notice how Palm OS, Symbian, blackberry, and now the iPhone do not have a start menu.
So now the parameters change....
I would disagree. Palm OS needs one (my "needs"). It was not optional.
And I use WM5 w/o a skin, and it's just fine for my needs. It is very useable out of the box.
Start menu is irrelevant. They have a home button. Close enough (but not the same).