10 Things that "Absolutely suck" about the iPhone. (Yes I have one)

[cmaier]

BTW, this is probably the best solution right now:

http://iphav.com/Calculator/Calculator.html

I saw a prettier one someplace, but can't recall where.

Some info on the iphone calc design:

http://www.core77.com/blog/technolo...ribute_to_braun_classic_course_it_is_6929.asp

(too bad it's missing that left column)

 

[mobileman]

Yeah, but me personally, I don't want to use web apps. I want full 3rd party apps. I want all the types of apps I have on my Palm

You know what then braj, just maybe the iPhone isn't for you then.

 

[surur]

BTW, this is probably the best solution right now:

http://iphav.com/Calculator/Calculator.html

I saw a prettier one someplace, but can't recall where.

Some info on the iphone calc design:

http://www.core77.com/blog/technolo...ribute_to_braun_classic_course_it_is_6929.asp

(too bad it's missing that left column)

Its funny, but even that web app lacks backspace or CE. Anyway, as I have said, all these work around seem to be against the spirit of simplicity.

Surur

 

[cmaier]

Agreed, and i'm fairly certain we will see improvements, especially because none of the apple people i know are idiots, and they are all going to be as frustrated about this stuff (with their free iphones) as the rest of us.

There are lots of clues that some major firmware changes are coming around the time leopard is released.

 

[cmaier]

This one is kind of nice:

http://m.netninja.com/calc/

 

[surur]

Agreed, and i'm fairly certain we will see improvements, especially because none of the apple people i know are idiots, and they are all going to be as frustrated about this stuff (with their free iphones) as the rest of us.

There are lots of clues that some major firmware changes are coming around the time leopard is released.

Thanks for that link about the Apple graphing calculator. I have actually read that story before, and it gives an interesting insight into all the work that goes into shipping even small features.

With that in mind, what would give me concern would be if Apple intentionally omitted features, and have done months of usability testing, and decided the man in the street does not need the display cluttered up by a backspace key, and will therefore never give people even simple features they want.

For example, I am sure the next update will say something like "enhanced memory management which will reduce the likelihood of errors in Safari", but its unlikely to say "Enhanced calculator, now with backspace key".

Surur

 

[cmaier]

I think you will be surprised

 

[oalvarez]

do you all use the calculator function that often? The question isn't meant to justify the omittance of a backspace key or the like.

 

[cmaier]

i use it, rarely. Anything i can do on that calculator i can usually do in my head. And I rarely need to perform calculus away from my hp calc.

My wife uses hers quite a bit for quick calculations.

Honestly, i probably used the palm calculator a dozen times in all the years i had it.

 

[oalvarez]

probably the same for me, one time a month on average, if that!

 

[sxtg]

Perhaps in 5 yrs when we all catch up, no one will be using calculators. Maybe this half a** implementation is just meant as a stepping stone for us normal folk who stumble on to this wonder of technology.

 

[surur]

do you all use the calculator function that often? The question isn't meant to justify the omittance of a backspace key or the like.

If that question is directed at me, my 10 year old often uses my calculator while doing homework, because regular calculators are never where you think you left them last, and phones are always at hand.

I would miss a backspace button - to me is a simple usability feature that really should be present, especially when using a touch screen.

Surur

 

[mikec#IM]

You keep making false statements. I respect people who don't make any false statements.

I don't have to prove anything. You're the one who attacked me without evidence.

It's the same topic. My point was that you narrowed the focus to a minor part of her job. Even by that measure she did well.

Yes you did. Read post #1831.

I didn't. As I said, she was wrong for a few years. But then she was right again.

Again, no. I said she was right more than she was wrong. She's a perpetual bull; she was right through the 90s, wrong in the bear market for a few years, and then right again. This is common knowledge. You're disputing this by pointing at what everyone knows.

Since we're OT, I'll give you the last word. If you're consistent, you'll make another false claim, but I'll try to let it go. I look forward to more iPhone posts.

Well, third time's a charm. Still a prickly pontificator. I will still be polite, even though you don't deserve it.

I guess here's where the crux of the issue is - I never attacked you, just countered something you said about analysts. The burden of proof is on you, whether you like it or not, because you started it with you initial statement. But you don't see that.

I did not narrow the focus; you asserted predicting the market as the key skill, not the subsequent items you posted. I responded with evidence, which you discard, because "everyone knows it." Maybe so, but it still does not prove your point.

You keep saying "perpetual bull". Well, that really doesn't mean much...for the past 50 years, anyone can be a long term bull, and the market just keeps going up (even with corrections). No magic there. Predicting the upturns and downturns is what counts.


Re: #1831, I thought she was "off" those years, although the site is down so I can't check. If I am wrong, I will be glad to admit it. Once it's up, I will repost. Again, it does not prove you point. (Please provide the 1992-2000 data if you have it.) Still my previous post in #1775 points to my initial position. Agian, you ignore/discard.

No false claims have been made, just a polite response.

You may find it tiresome, etc, but quite frankly, too many people at TC make claims of all types without explanation or substantiation. As surur said, quoting Smokey the Bear, only you can prevent false perceptions (or something like that.) I've been around her long enough to see this and call a spade a spade. I'm admitted mistakes, apologized, etc. where it is warranted (one of the very few on TC), and be relentless on those who are full of themselves and make spurious claims.

I guess we can get back OT with the iPhone....it was those analysts predicting iPhone sales that got us starting down this path. I'll blame it on them ;-)

 

[mikec#IM]

do you all use the calculator function that often? The question isn't meant to justify the omittance of a backspace key or the like.

I don't use the calculator much, but when I, I need a reasonably full function one. No CE key?

Well, I suppose it was a design tradeoff. While a minor annoyance, I hardly put it up there in the "suck" category.

 

[oalvarez]

If that question is directed at me, my 10 year old often uses my calculator while doing homework, because regular calculators are never where you think you left them last, and phones are always at hand.

I would miss a backspace button - to me is a simple usability feature that really should be present, especially when using a touch screen.

Surur

no, that question wasn't directed at you.....it's for anyone to answer, thanks for yours.

 

[surur]

So, iPhone users find Web apps... suck?

- Web Apps SUCK
pwolfe 07-17-2007 09:04 AM

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Web Apps SUCK

I am starting to really lose my patience with how slow applications load and the general lack of good software for my iphone. I want to let apple know that I am mad as hell about their choice to exclude 3rd party developers. Where is the best place for me to have my voice heard on this matter? I'm thinking an online petition needs to be made. Any suggestions?

plumbingandtech 07-17-2007 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pwolfe (Post 3928733)
I am starting to really lose my patience with how slow applications load and the general lack of good software for my iphone. Where is the best place for me to have my voice heard on this matter? I'm thinking an online petition needs to be made. Any suggestions?
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https://forums.imore.com/e?link=htt...F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fcontact%2F&token=FX-gR0Wn

maybe somewhere here.



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I want to let apple know that I am mad as hell about their choice to exclude 3rd party developers.
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Choice?

You don't think it _could be_ that they simply did not have the time or resources to release a full api on day 1?

pwolfe 07-17-2007 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by plumbingandtech (Post 3928803)
https://forums.imore.com/e?link=htt...F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fcontact%2F&token=FX-gR0Wn

maybe somewhere here.




Choice?

You don't think it _could be_ that they simply did not have the time or resources release a full api on day 1?
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I understand that I am an early adopter and that I will have to be patient for some of the features I wish I could have, but I was under the impression that Apple's stance was NO 3rd party apps, not 3rd party apps when we are finished with the API.

plumbingandtech 07-17-2007 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pwolfe (Post 3928814)
I understand that I am an early adopter and that I will have to be patient for some of the features I wish I could have, but I was under the impression that Apple's stance was NO 3rd party apps, not 3rd party apps when we are finished with the API.
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Currently that is the stance.

But the overwheleming desire by users and developers, (and this is just my opinion.) is that apple will switch gears and release a full api.

I think the key here is that apple will announce that apps must be be sent thru some form of testing and approval process to get the "works fine with iphone" label on it.

And since this testing will cost some $$$ this will help to keep us out of the palm 3rd party problems of instablity.

Cleverboy 07-17-2007 09:38 AM

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We're only a couple of weeks in. I strongly believe quite a number of people will rethink their opinion of web apps when platforms for them begin to become more mature and ubiquitous. If I had a team of programmers at my beck and call I'd change some minds today... As it stands, I can only say "have some patience".

~ CB

plumbingandtech 07-17-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleverboy (Post 3928846)
We're only a couple of weeks in. I strongly believe quite a number of people will rethink their opinion of web apps when platforms for them begin to become more mature and ubiquitous. If I had a team of programmers at my beck and call I'd change some minds today... As it stands, I can only say "have some patience".

~ CB
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Meh for me though. I agree witht he OP though. For a lot of stuff they just suck and the tech just won't get there anytime soon.

For browsing and searching etc.. they are fine. But for other stuff (like even a grocercy list.) they blow for me.. since everytime i go into my grocery store I lose my edge signal.

Ummm eggs.. yah and milk.. i think.

Tommyg117 07-17-2007 09:57 AM

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I end up just not using them because they are so slow. It's like a feature that isn't even there. We better get a software update with some new features

michelle21 07-17-2007 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pwolfe (Post 3928733)
I am starting to really lose my patience with how slow applications load and the general lack of good software for my iphone. I want to let apple know that I am mad as hell about their choice to exclude 3rd party developers. Where is the best place for me to have my voice heard on this matter? I'm thinking an online petition needs to be made. Any suggestions?
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really what do you want....

Most phone applications are connected, that means a backend server which means a web connection. This true of the mobile 6 devices as well as the iphone.

That said, those apps that don't require a server perhaps could somehow be cached, javascript can be run locally as well as servered, and apple may have something in mind.

Apple said no traditional api for the iphone, but this does not mean they won't come up with something new different.

One thing I thought of , since the iphone is running essentially a stripped down version of osx it might be possible for them (apple) to run an instance of an internal server, than when not in wifi range (or edge) the ajax applications could run natively.

Maybe I'm spoiled because I seem to be in wifi coverage at least 90% of the time. Probably hell for someone who has to travel I guess.

uNext 07-17-2007 11:47 AM

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I agree webb apps are not revolutionary
but with this surge of apps that came out i think apple wont back down from their word.......I mean think about it if they do open up th3rd party support all the developers would be so pissed at apple for making them weaste their time with developing webb apps that we might see virus attacks comeing from left and right field.

It is too depp now for apple to retract back

Peace 07-17-2007 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by plumbingandtech (Post 3928803)
https://forums.imore.com/e?link=htt...F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fcontact%2F&token=FX-gR0Wn

maybe somewhere here.




Choice?

You don't think it _could be_ that they simply did not have the time or resources to release a full api on day 1?
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The iPhone was in development for 4 years.Thats plenty of time to produce a dev kit for the device.

jamesarm97 07-17-2007 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by plumbingandtech (Post 3928890)
Meh for me though. I agree witht he OP though. For a lot of stuff they just suck and the tech just won't get there anytime soon.

For browsing and searching etc.. they are fine. But for other stuff (like even a grocercy list.) they blow for me.. since everytime i go into my grocery store I lose my edge signal.

Ummm eggs.. yah and milk.. i think.
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Amen, I have tried twice to do a to-do list in the store and I get no signal every time. I also tried to use the iphone 'scriptures' at church and did not have a signal. So last week I preloaded the page with our lesson on it and 15 minutes into it Safari shutdown and then when I restarted it I could not load the page because of the no signal. Please give us built in apps (eWallet, eBook, pdf storage and such).

neut 07-17-2007 12:19 PM

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Ummm eggs.. yah and milk.. i think.
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Why don't you use the built in Notes app for a simple list like that? I used it last night for a trip to the store and it worked just fine. No connection necessary thought I have a strong connection to Edge throughout the whole valley.
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peace | neut

michelle21 07-17-2007 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by uNext (Post 3929297)
I agree webb apps are not revolutionary
but with this surge of apps that came out i think apple wont back down from their word.......I mean think about it if they do open up th3rd party support all the developers would be so pissed at apple for making them weaste their time with developing webb apps that we might see virus attacks comeing from left and right field.

It is too depp now for apple to retract back
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web apps are not revolutionary... but ajax never real caught on outside certain circles, but the iphone is pushing it into the mainstream.

I'm amazed at what ajax can do, I never delved that deep into javascript before, but now I am looking at a whole new way of changing my development philosophy, I've been a developer for many years.

What I think needs to happen , and you might actually see this from apple or if some third party can hack something that runs on the phone (hey , they crack the psp) . is to run a small webserver on the iphone. And that would solve the issue of local apps vs. connected apps. So when your at the market or church and outside of wifi range you would connect to localhost, otherwise connect to the net. , servers can be written in pretty much any language, and I've seen them in as little as 20 lines of code.
Doesn't take much to server javascript, since the browser does most of the work. Couple this with a derby database and you have a nice local dev app platform. Unitl apple decides to support 3g, and then there won't be that much need for the internal apps anymore.

I do this on my laptop for I can run wordpress and a few other webapps when i'm on the road.

pwolfe 07-17-2007 12:36 PM

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All you people supporting the webapp platform dont see anything wrong with having to wait 20-30 seconds for a page to load so you can edit an office document? What if, like me, you work in an area with network deadzones (hospital in my case) and need to access these features. Am i just SOL? Should I take my money elsewhere? I know I'm not the only person with this sentiment.

mian 07-17-2007 12:41 PM

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What I think needs to happen , and you might actually see this from apple or if some third party can hack something that runs on the phone (hey , they crack the psp) . is to run a small webserver on the iphone. And that would solve the issue of local apps vs. connected apps. So when your at the market or church and outside of wifi range you would connect to localhost, otherwise connect to the net. , servers can be written in pretty much any language, and I've seen them in as little as 20 lines of code.
Doesn't take much to server javascript, since the browser does most of the work. Couple this with a derby database and you have a nice local dev app platform. Unitl apple decides to support 3g, and then there won't be that much need for the internal apps anymore.

I do this on my laptop for I can run wordpress and a few other webapps when i'm on the road.

This might be the solution at some point.

http://gears.google.com/

Chip NoVaMac 07-17-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pwolfe (Post 3929511)
All you people supporting the webapp platform dont see anything wrong with having to wait 20-30 seconds for a page to load so you can edit an office document? What if, like me, you work in an area with network deadzones (hospital in my case) and need to access these features. Am i just SOL? Should I take my money elsewhere? I know I'm not the only person with this sentiment.
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Add to that Apple only promised us a phone with the basic features we have today. I respect Apple at this time trying to protect the phone portion of the iPhone from being corrupted by other apps from 3rd parties.

macgolfer53 07-17-2007 12:52 PM

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on the other hand email is a great app for many things

my wife called me and asked what did I want for dinner - I emailed her a link to a recipe which she used to do her shopping - there are many workarounds for a lot of needed apps - I guess I don't get what are the really highly needed 3rd party apps that you can't live without that don''t have a workaround

Chip NoVaMac 07-17-2007 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by neut (Post 3929439)
Why don't you use the built in Notes app for a simple list like that? I used it last night for a trip to the store and it worked just fine. No connection necessary thought I have a strong connection to Edge throughout the whole valley.
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This is the one sore point for me on the iPhone. Love the ability to make notes on the iPhone, but am bugged that I can't use a Notes app even on my iMac that is ported over to my iPhone.

To me this is the biggest missing feature....

pwolfe 07-17-2007 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by macgolfer53 (Post 3929580)
my wife called me and asked what did I want for dinner - I emailed her a link to a recipe which she used to do her shopping - there are many workarounds for a lot of needed apps - I guess I don't get what are the really highly needed 3rd party apps that you can't live without that don''t have a workaround
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I didnt pay $600 for workarounds. I paid $600 for a state of the art platform with solid applications, not webapps that i can only use with network access that take forever to load for the simplest of tasks.

Like I said earlier, I know im an early adopter, I'm not asking for these features to be implemented over night, I just want to know that the possiblity is there, because as it is, the iphone's solution to custom apps is just lame lame lame. When it comes to 3rd party apps I dont want to be limited by Safari, I want to be limited by the hardware.

boss1 07-17-2007 01:17 PM

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Amen. I was reluctant to pass judgement on the idea during release but I'm starting to agree more and more now. It just doesn't work well. Especially if those services are important enough for the user that they need to be 1. secure. and 2. not reliant on a very edgy connection (no pun intended).

Quote from SJ on this subject...
If you watched the Steve Jobs and Bill Gates television interview with the WSJ


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Steve jobs said, "The reason google maps on the iPhone is so much better than google's version of google maps is because iPhone's google maps is a rich client that's runs on iPhone hardware, not some version of software that's limited by a web browser".
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Well it's not an exact word for word quote (i'm too lazy to look up the video and type out his speech) but thats pretty much what he said.

Now if only he could put his money where his mouth is and give us more rich client apps that run off the iPhone directly. Tied into to backend cloud services or not. People want a rich Messaging app, a rich TO DO app etc.

pwolfe 07-17-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boss1 (Post 3929682)
Amen. I was reluctant to pass judgement on the idea during release but I'm starting to agree more and more now. It just doesn't work well. Especially if those services are important enough for the user that they need to be 1. secure. and 2. not reliant on a very edgy connection (no pun intended).

Quote from SJ on this subject...
If you watched the Steve Jobs and Bill Gates television interview with the WSJ



Well it's not an exact word for word quote (i'm too lazy to look up the video and type out his speech) but thats pretty much what he said.

Now if only he could put his money where his mouth is and give us more rich client apps that run off the iPhone directly. Tied into to backend cloud services or not. People want a rich Messaging app, a rich TO DO app etc.
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I couldnt have said it better.

plumbingandtech 07-17-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace (Post 3929344)
The iPhone was in development for 4 years.Thats plenty of time to produce a dev kit for the device.
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2 years. was what he said in Jan. Even if it was longer, you ever make a big item? You ever go down the road for months only to discover you have to change your path and wasted 9 months?

Development is not linear a-z perfect.

And you still say this despite apple pulling people from the leopard team AND delaying leopard?

Really?

Cleverboy 07-17-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by plumbingandtech (Post 3930245)
2 years. was what he said in Jan. Even if it was longer, you ever make a big item? You ever go down the road for months only to discover you have to change your path and wasted 9 months?

Development is not linear a-z perfect.

And you still say this despite apple pulling people from the leopard team AND delaying leopard?

Really?
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I can't even argue with people like that, more power to you. I think of all the reasons why they don't make ANY sense, and after a while, my mind just spits out a piece of paper... I read it... have a horrified look on my face and hurry away. Better to just recognize that some folks have strong opinions about things they have little real experience on... and one feed the other.

~ CB

plumbingandtech 07-17-2007 04:18 PM

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I can't even argue with people like that, more power to you. I think of all the reasons why they don't make ANY sense, and after a while, my mind just spits out a piece of paper... I read it... have a horrified look on my face and hurry away. Better to just recognize that some folks have strong opinions about things they have little real experience on... and one feed the other.

~ CB
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heh. I realized I had not eaten a big chocolate chip cookie from yesterday so I ate that. I feel better now.

yayaba 07-17-2007 04:30 PM

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I haven't really used any of the apps besides the MovieApp (which incredibly I use a LOT more than I thought I would've) and JiveTalk. But I agree, WebApps aren't really the way to go.

If the iPhone can accomplish something as slick as CoverFlow, think about what developers could do with CoreAnimation, CoreVideo, and CoreAudio on the device. Sigh.

Didn't the hackers discover that everything ran in root though? I guess the first step Apple would need to do is to have user level permissions activated in the OS in order to allow anyone to touch a SDK.

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I think everyone should remember that 3rd party apps (web apps in this case) are an ADD ON feature and NOT part of the functionality and specs of the iPhone. It's like buying a Toyota Camery and then being upset at Toyota that they aren't making the car super easy to just add every third party add-on you want in any way you want. The iPhone does all that it's advertised to do and if you are buying it and being disappointed by it's lack of 3rd party app support, well I'm afraid that's just your own fault. You know what you are getting when you are paying for it. If you're not happy with it's functionality ... lots of other 'smartphones' out there for you.

To quote a previous poster: "I paid $600 for a state of the art platform with solid applications" .... and that's what you are getting .... solid apps built by apple to run well on their phone. apple is not selling or promising in any way anything beyond that. They are providing webapps to run and just like any website they have their limitations. Webapps are just websites after all - and we know how many 'buggy' and badly made sites are out there.

Besides, how happy would you be if they let developers make 'phone-based' apps and you happen to install "John Doe's Grocery List Platinum Edition Pro" ... and it just happened to have a but that ... oh let's say ... made the phone not be able to make phone calls .. ?

Anyways. Rant over ... carry one

Peace 07-18-2007 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by plumbingandtech (Post 3930245)
2 years. was what he said in Jan. Even if it was longer, you ever make a big item? You ever go down the road for months only to discover you have to change your path and wasted 9 months?

Development is not linear a-z perfect.

And you still say this despite apple pulling people from the leopard team AND delaying leopard?

Really?
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You misunderstood my statement..

Apple has an internal dev kit.Not for public consumption.Yet.

plumbingandtech 07-18-2007 01:10 PM

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You misunderstood my statement..

Apple has an internal dev kit.Not for public consumption.Yet.
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We are in agreement there.

and much more I would bet... there was simply so much to do still in Jan. and they REALLY needed to focus on getting the basics right. Which by the 90%+ approval rating of new buyers I would say they achieved.

damado 07-19-2007 12:14 PM

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I wouldn't mind the web apps system as much if the internet was broadband, but over EDGE it does make me likely not to use them. The iPhone has most software I really use anyway. Most of the other things are just fun features.

Manatee 07-19-2007 01:53 PM

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The lack of a way for third-party developers to create apps for the iPhone is the only thing that disappoints me about the device. I'm sure that Apple themselves will address several of the issues that bug me with their own updates in the coming months... syncing Notes and ToDos, more flexible editing, more UI options (sounds, colors, etc.) Apple is very good at these things, and has done it before with the iLife apps.

However, Apple can't do everything. And even if they could, they can't do it all at once. I'd like applications that let me create and edit Word and Excel documents on the iPhone. And of course this means I need to be able to manage my own files somewhere on the device. I'd also like some basic games, like Freecell, Solitaire, and a crossword puzzle program that downloads .puz files. And for every app that I would like, there are a buch that other users would like.

Apple needs to do something to get third party developers working on useful apps as soon as possible. Ok, maybe they want to watch the platform for a while to address and fundamental flaws, and to get a better sense of what many users want. That would make sense to me.

I'd also be in favor of Apple somehow testing and approving any apps that are to be released for the iPhone. They don't want some rogue developer ruining the user experience -- and thus tarnishing their brand and reputation.

Ultimately, reviewers are going to start noticing that the iPhone does a lot less for people than other PDA-type devices do. Especially considering its OS X operating system, powerful processor, and substantial memory/storage. The potential is there... the gate just needs to be opened.

jwa276 07-23-2007 04:54 PM

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I agree with OP

Web Apps Suck

I cannot wait until Apple releases the API, but I want them to do it right the first time- so in that regard I am totally willing to wait.

vansouza 07-23-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pwolfe (Post 3928733)
I am starting to really lose my patience with how slow applications load and the general lack of good software for my iphone. I want to let apple know that I am mad as hell about their choice to exclude 3rd party developers. Where is the best place for me to have my voice heard on this matter? I'm thinking an online petition needs to be made. Any suggestions?
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I appreciate that so many are making these web apps... but they suck. I give props to those who write them nonetheless..

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=330739


Surur

 

[mikec#IM]

ha

Best line from above:

"I didn't pay $600 for workarounds."

Um, I think you did.

I do think reverted to the old "no expanasion" mode (just like with the first Mac).

They may have decided that opening up now was not worth it. Launch on time and make the $$$$.

Can't say I they made the wrong choice from a bottom line perpective.

However, I do think they misunderestimated the need/desire for 3rd party rich client apps.

 

[mikec#IM]

blah

Just re-read my post.. ug. Sorry for the butchered sentences and typos.

 

[surur]

Just re-read my post.. ug. Sorry for the butchered sentences and typos.

Makes perfect sense to me. Those chaps must be part of the 10% dissatisfied group. The rest seem so easily satisfied...

Surur

 

[bruckwine]

maybe the average iPhone user knows how to calculate % using division? just a thought, but definitely not an excuse for a % button being omitted. as for number crunching goes, i do all of that at work on the PC.

Well I hope they can do THAT by themselves ! Personally (of course )I find the Palm calculator useful esp when I go on trips and need to convert currencies quickly before buying something abroad - I've seen THAT catch ppl all the time (buy a burger for 7 US and then realise that converts to $42 TT when they usually buy burgers for $10 TT or $1.50 US )