1. MarkY's Avatar
    Regarding post #193; after 3.5-hours straight of Safari use, I'm not surprised the app crashed due to the phone getting hot. I'd be shocked if my Treo could do that much continuous browsing without experiencing some sort of issue.
    07-01-2007 08:52 PM
  2. llarson's Avatar
    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...se_source.html

    Hot new features to be added...so they say!
    07-01-2007 08:52 PM
  3. llarson's Avatar
    Those with iPhones, what do you think of this thread? What's your experience?

    Phone Will Not Work With Edge Data

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=322925

    I thought 3G was better for data and calls simultaneously anyway.
    You can't talk a voice call when on EDGE data and you can't start EDGE if you are already on a voice call.

    WIFI you can but not on EDGE. That is one thing they never mentioned.
    07-01-2007 08:54 PM
  4. MarkY's Avatar
    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...se_source.html

    Hot new features to be added...so they say!
    It should be interesting to see how the iPhone platform matures over the next 12-months. Will it become a true smartphone of remain a feature-phone leader?
    07-01-2007 09:02 PM
  5. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Safari crashes seem to be fairly common. Are our iPhone friends really not experiencing them?


    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1191656

    Must be all those third party web pages causing the problem.

    Surur

    The crashing of Safari is the one thing worth noting more than anything else about the unexpected glitches.
    07-01-2007 09:03 PM
  6. oalvarez's Avatar
    it's not worth anything but an extra post is: still yet to experience a browser crash.
    07-01-2007 09:09 PM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Surur - "3rd party web pages" - LOL

    Eric, some of us replace our battery daily. It you are using you phone and web a lot, they run out. And the biggest plus of replaceable battery - when the battery is drained, you don't have to sit tethered to a power outlet while it recharges...just slap a new on in and go (and let the drained on recharge in a dock.)

    I highly doubt you 7 year old battery lasts longer than a new one. I've had hundreds of li-ions and they all degrade after a certain number of charge cycles.

    llarsen, the treo can surk the web for days (yes, days - I've done it) and not heat up and stop working. Sounds like there is a heat problem in the iPhone.
    07-01-2007 09:20 PM
  8. Slingbox's Avatar
    Regarding post #193; after 3.5-hours straight of Safari use, I'm not surprised the app crashed due to the phone getting hot. I'd be shocked if my Treo could do that much continuous browsing without experiencing some sort of issue.
    Never had a browser crash after 3 to 4 hours straight..Same with slingmedia and tomtom.I have to soft reset my wx once every 2 months or so. I use memmaid to complete that task with clean up.
    07-01-2007 09:36 PM
  9. llarson's Avatar
    Surur - "3rd party web pages" - LOL

    Eric, some of us replace our battery daily. It you are using you phone and web a lot, they run out. And the biggest plus of replaceable battery - when the battery is drained, you don't have to sit tethered to a power outlet while it recharges...just slap a new on in and go (and let the drained on recharge in a dock.)

    I highly doubt you 7 year old battery lasts longer than a new one. I've had hundreds of li-ions and they all degrade after a certain number of charge cycles.

    llarsen, the treo can surk the web for days (yes, days - I've done it) and not heat up and stop working. Sounds like there is a heat problem in the iPhone.
    And from 1 post ONE post you make a call like there is a heat issue with the iPHONE.

    Come on man lets all take a breath and step back.

    I will wait for some third party party reports of the issues and I am sure there are some with the iPHONE.
    07-01-2007 09:49 PM
  10. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    The features supposedly added in the near future will make the iPhone more complete. I think I'll wait until they release the iPhone wth the new stuff already added on.
    07-01-2007 10:46 PM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    llarsen,

    My bad on attributing the heat comment to you. I misread the thread. Sorry.

    I still think there is a heat issue, but we will see.
    07-01-2007 10:49 PM
  12. taylorh's Avatar
    As Diva pointed out. The iPhone will improve. I think this is just the beginning for this product.
    07-02-2007 12:13 AM
  13. shopharim's Avatar
    you have to scroll your pics really really fast and blink a lot to create the illusion of video,
    I literally fell over laughing at this comment. If my whole family were not asleep I would let out the laugh this comment really deserves.
    07-02-2007 02:10 AM
  14. Bronxboy's Avatar
    You know, in comparison with the iPhone, the Razr 3x has 3G, A2DP, Obex, Java apps, so it can use opera mini 4 and gmail for Java, Google maps, Mobile Youtube, a native e-mail client, games, a flash for the camera, hard keys for blind sms'ing, it has MMS, you can add ring tones, video conferencing, etc etc etc. The 3i would sync with Itunes, and with your mac calender over bluetooth, which the iPhone wont do.

    Its a much better phone.

    Surur

    surur I have a razor and i agree you are spot on.
    The i-phone has some advantages such as wi-fi, storage capacity and a larger screen size but if you have a razor V3i euro or V3x with a 2GB memory card you can load videos, Mp3s, customize your ringtones with mp3's, create your own ring tones, surf the web with opera, record videos and it has support for plenty of 3rd party applications. So overall at the moment in many ways it’s better than the i-Phone. it even has I tunes software.



    But really how many phones today don't have email and MMS might be a hold over of tech that is and should be put out to pasture, IE the floppy drive or the ONE BUTTON MOUSE

    Never use SMS either. My business connections might be a little behind the curve but I tend not to have a lot to SMS or IM with Paris Hilton and her crowd that tend to use this a lot.
    The only business connection you have son is the one that connects your hand to your crotch. What happens next is strictly your business but I think you should ease up, because you’re starting to short change your brain.
    07-02-2007 03:09 AM
  15. blazinlow's Avatar
    I was playin with my friends Iphone tonight, its a cool device. i was trying to do some things I do commonly with my Treo 755p

    1. m.youtube.com doesnt work
    2. couldnt stream my music collection (Jinzora) to it
    3. No VNC type programs for remote desktop

    Making a phone call wasnt too tedious. Its just one button to get to the phone app, and you do have a keypad.

    They keyboard in portrait mode was hard to use, much easier in landscape mode.

    Besides the 'interface' the lack of 3rd party apps makes the phone kind of boring. The main menu is one screen with like 10 icons. You have web, pictures, music, google maps, settings, and a few accessory items. Im used to having tons of apps to play with.

    Did a few speed tests at dslreports.com/mspeed - averaged about 60kbps, one time I got 171kbps.
    07-02-2007 03:27 AM
  16. Bronxboy's Avatar
    I was playin with my friends Iphone tonight, its a cool device. i was trying to do some things I do commonly with my Treo 755p

    1. m.youtube.com doesnt work
    2. couldnt stream my music collection (Jinzora) to it
    3. No VNC type programs for remote desktop

    Making a phone call wasnt too tedious. Its just one button to get to the phone app, and you do have a keypad.

    They keyboard in portrait mode was hard to use, much easier in landscape mode.

    Besides the 'interface' the lack of 3rd party apps makes the phone kind of boring. The main menu is one screen with like 10 icons. You have web, pictures, music, google maps, settings, and a few accessory items. Im used to having tons of apps to play with.

    Did a few speed tests at dslreports.com/mspeed - averaged about 60kbps, one time I got 171kbps.
    I can see your point.
    The i- Phones home page layout is exactly like Palm's. It uses large icons that take you directly into your applications but they just look nice because they move about as if it’s a flash environment. Other than that the only things the i-Phones got going for it is it looks nice, music albums flip view & the photo zoom option. We Palm users also have album art & a zoom option for our photos. The question is now how long will it take for somebody to make a zoom that works with your finger or an album art flip view music player.
    07-02-2007 03:58 AM
  17. bruckwine's Avatar
    The features supposedly added in the near future will make the iPhone more complete. I think I'll wait until they release the iPhone wth the new stuff already added on.
    What I'm thinking too Phone Diva...I guess I kinda did the same with treos..didn't buy one until the 680 despite hearing how wonderfult he 600 & 650 were I wanted a bit more...I think Apple will be making firmware releases by later this month, August and then October... I think rather than do w/o spme of the functionality I'll just save up and wait until they 1. unlock the darned thing 2. make these firmware updates out of the box. I'm sure it won' be perfect then (3rd party by then??) but it'll be more functional.
    07-02-2007 06:22 AM
  18. llarson's Avatar
    surur I have a razor and i agree you are spot on.
    The i-phone has some advantages such as wi-fi, storage capacity and a larger screen size but if you have a razor V3i euro or V3x with a 2GB memory card you can load videos, Mp3s, customize your ringtones with mp3's, create your own ring tones, surf the web with opera, record videos and it has support for plenty of 3rd party applications. So overall at the moment in many ways it’s better than the i-Phone. it even has I tunes software.





    The only business connection you have son is the one that connects your hand to your crotch. What happens next is strictly your business but I think you should ease up, because you’re starting to short change your brain.
    More and more of the iPHONE haters are resorting to personal attacks. I am amazed at the HATE you guys have for a piece of electronics. Bronxboy, maybe you should step back from the keyboard and breath deeply. I'm sure the "Business connections" you have are deeply impressed by the many Ringtones you can create.

    Mine tend to want me to make them money.

    Best wishes with your RAZOR...
    07-02-2007 09:12 AM
  19. tirk's Avatar
    The BBC have done a quick review. Pretty much what has been said elsewhere; the interface is nice, the internet connection and keyboard are awful and
    Apple's claim that the iPhone is five years ahead of any other mobile is nonsense, in terms of actual tech specifications.
    07-02-2007 09:55 AM
  20. marcol's Avatar
    Rather a selective quote, tirk, but I suppose that is in the spirit of this thread. For anyone who can't be bothered to click the link this is the whole conclusion:

    Apple's claim that the iPhone is five years ahead of any other mobile is nonsense, in terms of actual tech specifications.

    In particular, the antiquated data system lets it down badly. However, as a user experience it is probably about 10 years ahead.

    Using the iPhone makes you feel quite angry towards other mobile manufacturers. What have they been doing? Fobbing us of with such truly awful interfaces?

    However, I am conscious that where we do benefit on other platforms is the wealth of third party applications. I wonder when we will see a DivX player - one of the most popular video standards - for iPhone. When Apple deigns to give us one, I guess.

    If Apple could sort out the camera, data speed and keyboard the iPhone would still not be perfect, but it wouldn't be far off.
    07-02-2007 10:18 AM
  21. cardfan's Avatar
    So what is it that you want? A 700p without a keyboard?

    I would think lots like having hardkeys to press. Am i angry at palm that they didn't totally gut the keyboard and make it all touch screen? Heck no.

    The iphone, if you think about it, has a nicer screen, visual voicemail (that's nice), and the ability to render webpages better while being able to go portrait or landscape by just turning it.

    Up til this point, the 700p (and 755p) had the best resolution screen.

    I'd love to see a palm version of the iphone. Will it happen? No idea. Not sure if palm is targeting that end of the market, but you'd think so with the silly colors they start releasing Treos in.

    I'll say it again though. Apple knows how to market and i hope palm and microsoft were taking notes. Reminds me of AOL back when the internet was very young. Easy interface, expensive, limited and proprietary apps but on a slow network. AOL users got made fun of a lot, but most that signed up are probably your target iphone users..technically not so competent. But if you remember, AOL made a ton of money.

    Down the line the aol users got more experienced and went a different route. The same will happen with most iphone users most just becoming aware of what smartphones can do for the first time. This bodes well for the future as Treos were still somewhat a secret from the masses. (at least we still have our slingboxes..the masses hasn't grasped what real smartphones can do yet). Everyone will have to compete a little harder now and we all win in the end.
    07-02-2007 10:36 AM
  22. zeze22's Avatar
    More and more of the iPHONE haters are resorting to personal attacks. I am amazed at the HATE you guys have for a piece of electronics. Bronxboy, maybe you should step back from the keyboard and breath deeply. I'm sure the "Business connections" you have are deeply impressed by the many Ringtones you can create.

    Mine tend to want me to make them money.

    Best wishes with your RAZOR...
    I'm with you. This thread was never intended to be a serious discussion. The guy who started it is from the UK and has never even seen an iphone, nor have all the critics. One or two say that have "tried" it for a few mins. That is ignorance defined.

    The RAZR comparisons are laughable, never serious, and intended simply to provoke.

    Given all of the above, it is no surprise that the thread has steadily deteriorated from nonsense to trash.
    07-02-2007 12:38 PM
  23. tirk's Avatar
    Rather a selective quote, tirk...
    Actually, I disagree. I said they liked the interface, which was the only strongly positive thing in the summary that you posted in toto. What I posted was representative of the article, which said to me "pretty device, lovely UI, not without faults, will be perfect for many people, but it's not a smartphone, and it's been horribly oversold by Apple".
    07-02-2007 01:32 PM
  24. HobbesIsReal's Avatar
    I basically look at phones in two categories:

    Phones to Meet Business Needs: If you place the iPhone in this category it is going to get stepped all over as I am sure it will underwhelm and under deliver for meeting the needs of a business person who uses their phone extensively while out of the office.

    I personally would never even consider the iPhone as an alternative to a Treo or WM device to meet my business needs. I am too dependent on 3rd party software and don't want to be held down to edge data speeds.

    Weekend / Average Consumer Phone Needs: This category I usually look at as a cell phone with added entertainment value, i.e. playing music, videos, streaming, internet webpage access, etc....

    I have my business phone and I have a weekend phone that I can take to the beach and not be worried about losing my life if an accident happens. I currently am using the Logic Fusic and does fine for that. I think the iPhone in this view is really cool. If it wasn't banned from CDMA and if it was around $200 I would be seriously tempted.

    Summary: It comes down to the same thing as with any cell phone......if the phone can meet the individual needs / wants of that specific customer. Simply list out what you plan on doing with your phone. Then make your list of Pros with all the needs that phone can meet and the Cons that phone cannot do that you would like to be able to do. If there are more Pros and you can live with the Cons, then you will be happy with the phone. If not, then you will be greatly disappointed no matter what phone it is.
    07-02-2007 01:50 PM
  25. Malatesta's Avatar
    I'm with you. This thread was never intended to be a serious discussion. The guy who started it is from the UK and has never even seen an iphone, nor have all the critics. One or two say that have "tried" it for a few mins. That is ignorance defined.
    C'mon. Surur posted real people's opinions and write ups (all cited), which was the majority of this thread for awhile but then got sidetracked.

    Those are facts.

    Why do I need to try one? I can summarize the iPhone in comparison to my 700wx in one sentence, ready?

    It does less for a lot more money.

    That's it and is all I have to know.

    All the anecdotes about Safari crashing, hard resets, low volume, limit functionality and how quickly the device gets boring are just fun to read for those of us who don't believe the hype.
    07-02-2007 02:00 PM
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