1. mobileman's Avatar
    So you are saying the iPhone is just like every other smartphone and needs to be reset regularly?

    Typical iPhoniac behaviors...when the veneer wears off, just discount the issue.

    The real question is not the freezes and resets, but how quickly Apple fixes issues.
    Wait, I said the iPhone needs to be reset regularly? Please show me where I said that. I havn't done one reset yet in the almost month I have had the device. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant though Mike.
    07-26-2007 07:57 PM
  2. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Just two posts below the one you posted was a very positive review of the headset. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=333971 . Why didn't you mention this one? What is your criteria for posting links? Skip the positive ones and post the negative ones?

    I really don't care, I hate all Bluetooth headsets.
    Actually, I hate BT headsets too. I guess we do have something in common.
    07-26-2007 07:58 PM
  3. oalvarez's Avatar
    You really aren't good at communication, are you? You misconstrue what I said, I explain myself (when it should have been clear the first time had you read what I said) and then use a cheap tactic to debate by simply saying I'm 'redirecting'? Whatever dude. You have no clue.
    I didn't misconstrue anything, i simply said to "spare us the life lesson." you and your cohorts are very good at labeling many other posters around here. everyone but yourself and your pally-wally's

    doesn't have a clue
    is retarded
    is an apologist
    is a fanboy (i still laugh at this one)
    are not good communicators (a new favorite)
    are trolls,
    thread crappers,
    surfers,
    flamers,
    baiters,
    maniacal
    neurotic, and
    insecure..............
    and most importantly.....ALWAYS WRONG! funny how that works!!!!!!

    and who started this thread and why?
    07-26-2007 07:58 PM
  4. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Wow, you have an amazing ability to be able to figure out why people post opinions, and why they like or dislike something.

    Who cares if its good or not. We really want to know how its selling. Lets send in MikeC to do his regular field research at apple stores.
    SAND
    07-26-2007 07:59 PM
  5. cmaier's Avatar
    Well, as always, YMMV, but I just placed two calls without any comment from the other end about me sounding funny. That was with the phone on the desk about 2 feet to my right, and the earphone in my left ear. It sounded perfectly fine at my end.

    I'm not prepared to give a glowing review until I try under many other conditions (in car, outside in wind, etc.) but it definitely has better range and sounds better than my jabra.

    Now, clearly this thing is not designed to allow one to roam around the house, far away from the phone. I didn't think most bluetooth earpieces were. If that's what you are expecting, forget it. The phone definitely has to be in the room with you, preferably nearby. I don't know what that logitech thing is, but i suspect it's huge? No other earpiece i've personally used allows you to move very far away.

    Surur - remember what we learned about extrapolating a few complaints into "this thing sucks" :-) (and I'll remember it works the other way, too).
    07-26-2007 07:59 PM
  6. mobileman's Avatar
    Insecure, surfer? Trying to make buddies?
    Maybe Samkin can be my version of braj. He seems to have your back.
    07-26-2007 07:59 PM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Hmm, thats odd. Your comments came after AT&T announced activitions after the first 30 hours. How is this my construct?
    Your construct as the be-all-end-all metric (ex. you later mention 30 hours in reference to 1M sold).

    Coco-Puffs.
    07-26-2007 08:01 PM
  8. treobk214's Avatar
    I didn't misconstrue anything, i simply said to "spare us the life lesson." you and your cohorts are very good at labeling many other posters around here. everyone but yourself and your pally-wally's

    doesn't have a clue
    is retarded
    is an apologist
    is a fanboy (i still laugh at this one)
    are not good communicators (a new favorite)
    are trolls,
    thread crappers,
    surfers,
    flamers,
    baiters,
    maniacal
    neurotic, and
    insecure..............

    and who started this thread and why?

    Exactly. :thumbsup:
    07-26-2007 08:04 PM
  9. mikec#IM's Avatar
    You might think you have your facts straight, but they are of course wrong. I have no problems with you except your lack of knowledge on the subject you keep posting about. Hang 10 man.
    I have admitted when I was wrong (see posts to marcol). Something you are incapable of due to poor self-esteem.

    But I was not wrong about the disappointment on the day ATT numbers came out. That day has passed, but it was so then.

    It's a shame you are so insecure than you need to jump on me and delluded yourself.
    07-26-2007 08:05 PM
  10. oalvarez's Avatar
    Well, as always, YMMV, but I just placed two calls without any comment from the other end about me sounding funny. That was with the phone on the desk about 2 feet to my right, and the earphone in my left ear. It sounded perfectly fine at my end.

    I'm not prepared to give a glowing review until I try under many other conditions (in car, outside in wind, etc.) but it definitely has better range and sounds better than my jabra.

    Now, clearly this thing is not designed to allow one to roam around the house, far away from the phone. I didn't think most bluetooth earpieces were. If that's what you are expecting, forget it. The phone definitely has to be in the room with you, preferably nearby. I don't know what that logitech thing is, but i suspect it's huge? No other earpiece i've personally used allows you to move very far away.

    Surur - remember what we learned about extrapolating a few complaints into "this thing sucks" :-) (and I'll remember it works the other way, too).
    is the speaker on the headset "louder" than the ear speaker on the phone?

    thanks
    07-26-2007 08:07 PM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Wait, I said the iPhone needs to be reset regularly? Please show me where I said that. I havn't done one reset yet in the almost month I have had the device. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant though Mike.
    No, you didn't say that. I asked a question.
    07-26-2007 08:08 PM
  12. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I didn't misconstrue anything, i simply said to "spare us the life lesson." you and your cohorts are very good at labeling many other posters around here. everyone but yourself and your pally-wally's

    doesn't have a clue
    is retarded
    is an apologist
    is a fanboy (i still laugh at this one)
    are not good communicators (a new favorite)
    are trolls,
    thread crappers,
    surfers,
    flamers,
    baiters,
    maniacal
    neurotic, and
    insecure..............
    and most importantly.....ALWAYS WRONG! funny how that works!!!!!!

    and who started this thread and why?
    <snip>
    07-26-2007 08:09 PM
  13. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Maybe Samkin can be my version of braj. He seems to have your back.
    Thank you for admitting you need to have someone have your back.
    Weak and pathetic, but at least it was admitted.

    I doubt braj has my back or anyone elses. We don't need it. Most secure people don't.
    07-26-2007 08:11 PM
  14. braj's Avatar
    Thank you for admitting you need to have someone have your back.
    Weak and pathetic, but at least it was admitted.

    I doubt braj has my back or anyone elses. We don't need it. Most secure people don't.
    mikec is an *** and everyone knows it
    07-26-2007 08:13 PM
  15. cmaier's Avatar
    is the speaker on the headset "louder" than the ear speaker on the phone?

    thanks
    IMHO, at maximum volume, it is very very loud. This may simply be because it is inside my ear. But it is definitely loud.
    07-26-2007 08:14 PM
  16. braj's Avatar
    You forgot surfer :-)
    Nope, surfer is in there.
    07-26-2007 08:14 PM
  17. treobk214's Avatar
    Surfer, I have my facts straight. Whatever your problem, I think it's not with me.
    Ya think, Hodad?
    07-26-2007 08:17 PM
  18. mobileman's Avatar
    Your construct as the be-all-end-all metric (ex. you later mention 30 hours in reference to 1M sold).

    Coco-Puffs.
    Um, I hate to say this, but if you look at your post that I quoted you were the one that mentioned right after AT&T posted their activations, it was far less than the 500,000 to 1 million estimated. Obviously you were therefore implying that people estimated Apple would sell upwards of 1 million units in the first 30 hours (the length of time the iPhone was for sale in AT&Ts quarter). I have never seen these estimations on the first 30 hours, but clearly you must have. Please post your source for us all to share. Still so very hard to admit that you were wrong. Keep firing away Gordon Gekko, you market analysis is fascinating.
    07-26-2007 08:19 PM
  19. oalvarez's Avatar
    IMHO, at maximum volume, it is very very loud. This may simply be because it is inside my ear. But it is definitely loud.
    sounds good (no pun intended ).....will have to try one out, have never used a wireless earpiece but could definitely benefit from one in the car or loud places.

    thanks again
    07-26-2007 08:44 PM
  20. mobileman's Avatar
    sounds good (no pun intended ).....will have to try one out, have never used a wireless earpiece but could definitely benefit from one in the car or loud places.

    thanks again
    Never tried one that actually went in your ear before. Every one I used wraps around the ear, and always falls off me.
    07-26-2007 08:50 PM
  21. samkim's Avatar
    I think you need to provide a little evidence if you want to state something as fact, rather than your opinion.

    Here are the past eight years:

    http://www.cxoadvisory.com/gurus/Cohen/

    You offered her as an analyst who is right most of the time. Obviously, this is not true, although she may be "more right" (but still wrong) than her peers.
    Obviously you fail at reasoning.

    1. Since the early 90s. Try reading that a few times. How many years have there been since the early 90s?

    2. When you said, "um, apparently not," you were wrong. When you said, "Obviously, this is not true," you were wrong. None of your links contradict my statement that she was right more than she was wrong since the early 90s.

    3. I wouldn't mind educating you if your self-confidence weren't so out of line with your actual knowledge.

    You're a tiresome person.
    07-26-2007 08:50 PM
  22. oalvarez's Avatar
    but somehow you will still be wrong, like i was. we're all wrong (the analysts included), they're not.

    funny how it works.
    07-26-2007 09:07 PM
  23. mobileman's Avatar
    You're a tiresome person.
    How true.
    07-26-2007 09:25 PM
  24. surur's Avatar
    Mmmm - even the snazzy UI can not make up for poor voice quality.

    - My first iPhone lockup today and reception issue

    racer8297 07-27-2007 01:08

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    My first iPhone lockup today and reception issue

    I've had my iPhone for 11 days today. Today was the first day that I went on a business trip with it. It was a 2 1/2 hour drive each way so I downloaded an audio book. I set off on my trip and started listening to the book. After about 2 hours I started to get phone calls. So, the book fades out and I take the phone call. No problem. I finish the call and the book comes back on. Great! About 10 minutes later I get another call. While I am on that call another call came. I switched back and forth, no problem. I hung up from the last call and quit the audio book by holding the home button until it closed. I went to make call, no problem. After that call I went to make another call but guess what! The phone was totally locked up. I pushed the home button for more than 10 seconds, no response. I tried the sleep button, no response. So, I had to push the sleep and home button at the same time to reboot the phone. After it restarted, it worked normally.

    The other issue was the reception. I was in NYC. I notice that on some side street, even though the signal meter show 4 or 5 bars, the person that I am talking to becomes totally garbled. They can hear me fine but I cannot understand a work that they are saying.

    Just thought I'd share my observations of the day

    BIGMERF 07-27-2007 01:18

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    guess ya cant multitask to much..lol.. reception in nyc is funny. sometimes im ok and sometimes im not..may be its the buidings, polution, etc..lol

    racer8297 07-27-2007 01:53

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    I guess my point is that this is a really slick phone but it certainly has some anomalies that need fixing. I can have better conversations on $49.00 phones than this $500-$600 phone. Something is just wrong with that scenario.

    I sure hope that they can fix these things with software/firware updates. Or I'm going to be pissed! Right now my inclination is to return this phone (which is my second, BTW) before the 14 days and wait and see if they fix these bugs.

    jameskk 07-27-2007 01:53

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by racer8297
    I've had my iPhone for 11 days today. Today was the first day that I went on a business trip with it. It was a 2 1/2 hour drive each way so I downloaded an audio book. I set off on my trip and started listening to the book. After about 2 hours I started to get phone calls. So, the book fades out and I take the phone call. No problem. I finish the call and the book comes back on. Great! About 10 minutes later I get another call. While I am on that call another call came. I switched back and forth, no problem. I hung up from the last call and quit the audio book by holding the home button until it closed. I went to make call, no problem. After that call I went to make another call but guess what! The phone was totally locked up. I pushed the home button for more than 10 seconds, no response. I tried the sleep button, no response. So, I had to push the sleep and home button at the same time to reboot the phone. After it restarted, it worked normally.

    The other issue was the reception. I was in NYC. I notice that on some side street, even though the signal meter show 4 or 5 bars, the person that I am talking to becomes totally garbled. They can hear me fine but I cannot understand a work that they are saying.

    Just thought I'd share my observations of the day



    I would not close applications by holding the home button unless the app is locked up. you said you used this method to close an app for no reason. this forces the app to shutdown and can cause memory leaks (at least it does on OS X when you force quit an app).

    ragweed 07-27-2007 02:09

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jameskk
    I would not close applications by holding the home button unless the app is locked up. you said you used this method to close an app for no reason. this forces the app to shutdown and can cause memory leaks (at least it does on OS X when you force quit an app).



    How else would you close an application other than pushing the home button? Or are you differentiating between pushing vs holding?

    ferniesp 07-27-2007 02:30

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    garble

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by racer8297
    I guess my point is that this is a really slick phone but it certainly has some anomalies that need fixing. I can have better conversations on $49.00 phones than this $500-$600 phone. Something is just wrong with that scenario.

    I sure hope that they can fix these things with software/firware updates. Or I'm going to be pissed! Right now my inclination is to return this phone (which is my second, BTW) before the 14 days and wait and see if they fix these bugs.




    I get the exact same thing and I have had 4 of these phones. I live in Southern Cal where my signal is solid!!!! On the freeway today, total garble with the AT&T tech on the phone. I duplicated this with an Apple tech. They having nothing to say about as they are perplexed. There is no doubt in my mind that the Iphone is subpar as a phone when moving around. If I am in my office or somewhere stationary, the garble is not as bad. I have searched many an online review and the garble talk and volume are very common complaints. In no way will I keep this phone if there is not a fix. I have to have a phone that is consistantly solid while driiving.

    If this comes to pass, I will sell my 8 gig to anyone in here for $600.00 shipped. Lets hope it doesn't come to this.

    ferniesp 07-27-2007 05:54

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    Am I missing something here? There are tons of online reviews that talk about the low volume, garble and ambient noise. Are people in this forum so convinced that this Iphone does not have these problems? Don't get me wrong, I love the darn thing when it's working well. The problem I have is that I don't know if I can depend on it for consistant calls. Even in this forum, people start to talk about these problems only to be shot down with the idea that we are deaf and that the Iphone is pefectly fine when it comes to call quality.
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1210304

    Surur
    07-27-2007 04:50 AM
  25. whmurray's Avatar
    BT in general is sucky protocol in general. It's been around forever, and never done well (as well as the theory).

    Maybe BT 3.0 will solve all our problems....
    I do not think that it is a protocol problem. More likely an implementation problem. If it were a protocol problem, it would be necessary to account for the many very good implementations.

    My Plantronics stereo phones work very well. They work well with my Treo and my iPod. (When the little thingy finally ships, I expect them to work well with my iPhone. ) They work well for stereo music, switch to the phone when it rings, and automatically go back to music when the call ends. I can walk away from the Treo while wearing it.

    Over the last w/e I rode one hundred miles in what one can only describe as a BT BMW. Great implementation.

    I think that the problems that we have with BT headsets for phones is a design problem that centers around power management. Designing for light weight, RF power, long life, and quick recharge is difficult. I have a Motorola that uses a AAA battery. If one can stand the weight (I cannot), it has good performance and very long life. I think that one reason the performance of my Plantronics stereo headset it so good that has a big battery at both ends of the BT.
    07-27-2007 09:00 AM
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