1. braj's Avatar
    Well, that wasn't a practical option, i'm sure. The outcry if they released first in europe would have been nuts. And if they released unlocked they wouldn't have had visual voice mail, they would probably have had issues where carriers refused to activate them, they would have had issues with the data network support in all likelihood, etc.
    I dunno, I'm sure there could have been a way.
    07-23-2007 09:44 PM
  2. cmaier's Avatar
    yeah, i just don't think a practical one at this point. again, i have high hopes for the 700MHz spectrum....
    07-23-2007 09:46 PM
  3. oalvarez's Avatar
    I'm convinced at least some iPhone users are retards Just because you are happy with it doesn't make you one though.
    don't you think labeling some iphone users (that you most probably don't know) as retards is pretty extreme?

    you're joking, right?
    07-23-2007 09:56 PM
  4. braj's Avatar
    you're joking, right?
    If you have to ask, you jusy might be....
    07-23-2007 10:05 PM
  5. braj's Avatar
    BTW people need to remember what 'retarded' means:
    retard 1 (rĭ-trd') Pronunciation Key
    v. retarded, retarding, retards

    v. tr.
    To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede.

    v. intr.
    To be delayed.

    n.

    1. A slowing down or hindering of progress; a delay.
    You can be socially retarded, developmentally retarded, mentally retarded, physically retarded, etc.

    Or in the case of the iPhone, unnecessarily, artificially retarded.
    07-23-2007 10:11 PM
  6. llarson's Avatar
    If I were an iPhone user, I would appreciate surur's posts as they can only help you understand issues other's are having with their devices. You may not like the messenger (or even his motives) but the message is useful information.
    Only reason I keep coming back here is to see what Surur and others can pull up.

    Only thing is some people take the post of a few people and make the deduction the iPHONE is useless.
    07-23-2007 10:12 PM
  7. braj's Avatar
    Only reason I keep coming back here is to see what Surur and others can pull up.

    Only thing is some people take the post of a few people and make the deduction the iPHONE is useless.
    Who said it was useless?
    07-23-2007 10:14 PM
  8. oalvarez's Avatar
    BTW people need to remember what 'retarded' means:


    You can be socially retarded, developmentally retarded, mentally retarded, physically retarded, etc.

    Or in the case of the iPhone, unnecessarily, artificially retarded.
    right. thanks for the lesson.
    07-23-2007 10:14 PM
  9. llarson's Avatar
    I'm convinced at least some iPhone users are retards Just because you are happy with it doesn't make you one though.
    Your point?
    07-23-2007 10:14 PM
  10. braj's Avatar
    Your point?
    You have no sense of humor, do you?
    07-23-2007 10:17 PM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    mobileman,

    Steve Job's couldn't think of another exposed keyboard device other than the Treo...he could think of 3...(BB, Q, and Nokia).

    Can't believe you said that...but then again, the rolodex was lost on you.

    Flick and spins work great...until you have thousands of contacts (which is not that rare in today's world.
    07-23-2007 10:23 PM
  12. braj's Avatar
    mobileman,

    Steve Job's couldn't think of another exposed keyboard device other than the Treo...he could think of 3...(BB, Q, and Nokia).

    Can't believe you said that...but then again, the rolodex was lost on you.

    Flick and spins work great...until you have thousands of contacts (which is not that rare in today's world.
    In his defense, I assumed he was referring to WM devices (though he didn't explicitly say that).
    07-23-2007 10:26 PM
  13. cmaier's Avatar
    Mike - see my post re: flick and spin not being necessary.
    07-23-2007 10:32 PM
  14. Malatesta's Avatar
    Only thing is some people take the post of a few people and make the deduction the iPHONE is useless.
    Who?
    07-23-2007 10:44 PM
  15. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Flick and spin, or touch the letter...it's all the same...it can take a long time with lots of contacts (much slower than typing first few letters.
    07-23-2007 11:03 PM
  16. Slingbox's Avatar
    I'm no surur but a great thread on ipod phone BT is very entertaining.
    ================================================== =
    macrumors

    greenland,
    Apple misleading us again? This time w/ the BT headset ...
    Why is false advertising become common practice for Apple?

    They've stated clearly that the you could MAKE calls via the iphone headset, yet that seems to be completely untrue.

    Am I missing something?

    more info here: http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/97204
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    radiantm3:
    Where did they say this? From the apple site:

    Quote:
    Answer iPhone calls wirelessly with this compact and lightweight Bluetooth headset. The iPhone Bluetooth Headset features a single button that lets you receive phone calls simply and intuitively.

    The iPhone doesn't have voice dialing, so I don't know how anyone could believe you could make calls from it in the first place.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    joeconvert:
    So your anonymous post in the comments over at iphonefaq wasn't enough?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    badzmaru:
    are you the same person who posted the comment on that blog? just curious.
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    greenlander:
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by radiantm3
    Where did they say this? From the apple site:

    The iPhone doesn't have voice dialing, so I don't know how anyone could believe you could make calls from it in the first place.

    Also from the Apple site (the store page for the headset):

    "Enjoy wireless convenience and crystal-clear audio when talking on your iPhone. The iPhone Bluetooth Headset features a single button that lets you make and receive phone calls simply and intuitively. And the innovative design is sure to turn a few heads."

    make and receive
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    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=333163
    07-23-2007 11:13 PM
  17. cmaier's Avatar
    Would be an interesting experiment. "touch the letter" takes the same amount of time, in theory, as typing the first letter.

    After that, the drag/flick would take somewhere around the effort of typing another letter or two.

    I'd prefer a typing interface, but not sure the letter-bar is that much worse for most people. (once you get around 100 contacts per a letter, the iphone method gets ugly.)
    07-23-2007 11:15 PM
  18. Malatesta's Avatar
    What's sad is a quote from that link (provided by Slingbox):

    Originally Posted by plumbingandtech View Post
    I want it to do synth voice caller ID where if my iphone is in my pocket and the appletooth is in my ear it will say:

    "John Smith is calling." or "800-555-1212 is calling" so I don't have to pull out the iphone to see who it is before answering.
    Not a bad idea right? It's not like MS voicecommand or even adding Jetware couldn't handle or that's been happening on WM for years now...

    But here's the response...
    dude that's an amazing feature! I hate having to reach for my iPhone everytime someone calls. If I could do that, that'd be great!

    Dude, patent that quick!
    Dude! Patent that original idea! lol
    07-23-2007 11:27 PM
  19. braj's Avatar
    Who?
    What?
    07-23-2007 11:31 PM
  20. Malatesta's Avatar
    What?
    Tag, you're it!
    07-23-2007 11:35 PM
  21. Slingbox's Avatar
    What's sad is a quote from that link (provided by Slingbox):


    Not a bad idea right? It's not like MS voicecommand or even adding Jetware couldn't handle or that's been happening on WM for years now...

    But here's the response...

    Dude! Patent that original idea! lol
    mal whats even more funny is that TA has caller ID Reminder giving the user the Phone # that calls lol
    hehe those darn 3rd party apps lol
    It's like there ppc/smartphone green not even knowing whats been there 4 the taking for years...Pretty sad really.
    macrumers is like smart phone kidegarten
    07-23-2007 11:36 PM
  22. braj's Avatar
    That switch to turn the ringer on/off is BRILLIANT! Why no one thought of this before is beyond me!
    07-23-2007 11:41 PM
  23. braj's Avatar
    Tag, you're it!
    Huh?
    07-23-2007 11:42 PM
  24. braj's Avatar
    Would be an interesting experiment. "touch the letter" takes the same amount of time, in theory, as typing the first letter.

    After that, the drag/flick would take somewhere around the effort of typing another letter or two.

    I'd prefer a typing interface, but not sure the letter-bar is that much worse for most people. (once you get around 100 contacts per a letter, the iphone method gets ugly.)
    I think with the iPhone it would be about the same because the keyboard would need to be invoked. So you would have to turn on the phone, unlock it, launch the phone app, launch the keyboard, then strat typing. That sounds pretty slow to me.

    I know people like the sleek one button-ness of the iPhone but to me that's just wasted space along the bottom where there could be four more buttons, or even a 'ghastly' 5-way. Also, my old SE phone has a nifty hard unlock slide-switch which is much more elegant than the 'press power, swipe screen' way of doing it. Really, Apple did lots of things for the sake of style that really were 180 degrees from the most efficient way to do them. Coolness is only cool if it is a real improvement in efficiency IMO. But it is a rev 1 and they will surely learn.
    07-23-2007 11:50 PM
  25. cmaier's Avatar
    i'm guessing there will be a new start screen which lets choose what happens when you swipe-to-unlock. That would solve a lot of problems.
    07-24-2007 12:04 AM
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