1. braj's Avatar
    How is that Nokia browser? I had heard it was very comparable to Safari. Apple got praises for a 'first' but was it really?
    07-23-2007 06:31 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    I'm willing to bet there will be third party apps, but, sadly, that they will follow the ipod model and only allow a small handful of developers to produce the software and only allow it to be available on itunes.

    If they add flash, allow adding icons to the "home screen" that link to urls, and add something like google gears, I'll be happy enough. If they add more links to internal databases from web applications, even better.

    I've been coding iphone webapps for a couple of weeks, and a lot is possible, but if they would just make a few changes some really nice stuff could be done. If an application can be run without network connectivity and could store its data locally and interact with other iphone apps (and if we could hide the damned toolbar) the end user wouldn't know the difference between a native os-x app and a web app. I do think they will make some of these changes as well.

    I'd still prefer a real sdk ala palm or wm.
    From scanning the forums there appears a way to encode a whole web page/app in a single URL, which can be stored in a single bookmark. Clunky, with workable.

    Surur
    07-23-2007 06:33 PM
  3. Slingbox's Avatar
    Bad memories surur Bad memories lol
    07-23-2007 06:39 PM
  4. cmaier's Avatar
    From scanning the forums there appears a way to encode a whole web page/app in a single URL, which can be stored in a single bookmark. Clunky, with workable.

    Surur
    Still not clear how one could store data client-side that way unless one could add bookmarks from javascript. It does, however, allow storing an entire javascript application, including embedded images, in a single bookmark, which is a step in the right direction.
    07-23-2007 06:43 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    Bad memories surur Bad memories lol
    Ive got one actually. Pretty reliable device,, bad battery with GPS, but good without, good one-handed support, widcomm bluetooth stack, large 3 inch screen, flip-cover (so rare these days).

    Bit chunky, but I like it So far no device has all the same features on the market yet.

    Surur
    07-23-2007 06:43 PM
  6. Postal's Avatar
    That's great and all, except that:
    ...3) Your post is off-topic for this thread and trolling.
    Trolling? Offtopic? Listen, CountBuggula, this entire thread is stupid. In another year Palm will have gone the way of the eight-track. Find something new to biotch about and get a life.
    07-23-2007 06:54 PM
  7. braj's Avatar
    Trolling? Offtopic? Listen, CountBuggula, this entire thread is stupid. In another year Palm will have gone the way of the eight-track. Find something new to biotch about and get a life.
    See Countchocula! Take that!
    07-23-2007 07:05 PM
  8. oalvarez's Avatar
    what i find amusing; the last couple of pages are full of discussion centered around the working aspects of safari's successes, flick gestures working well enough, and the iPhone's autocomplete capability.

    pleasantly surprised that we're not seeing pages and pages of copied material combatting some of either Mobileman's or CMaier's somewhat positive commentary. apparently these are now considered "on topic" and allowable as opposed to the converse.

    good to see
    07-23-2007 07:16 PM
  9. Malatesta's Avatar
    what i find amusing; the last couple of pages are full of discussion centered around the working aspects of safari's successes, flick gestures working well enough, and the iPhone's autocomplete capability.

    pleasantly surprised that we're not seeing pages and pages of copied material combatting some of either Mobileman's or CMaier's somewhat positive commentary. apparently these are now considered "on topic" and allowable as opposed to the converse.

    good to see
    You apparently missed our praise of their level-headiness and the fact they actually bring something to the table to discuss/debate as opposed to your trolling or Postal's obvious non-addition to this thread.
    07-23-2007 07:29 PM
  10. Slingbox's Avatar
    Trolling? Offtopic? Listen, CountBuggula, this entire thread is stupid. In another year Palm will have gone the way of the eight-track. Find something new to biotch about and get a life.
    I think you need to flush your post in your avatar and get on topic.If you have dislike for this thread don't post.
    Anyway....good luck
    07-23-2007 07:37 PM
  11. oalvarez's Avatar
    it's good to see that off topic areas can be discussed as it is seemingly now allowed. Nothing wrong with that. It's good to see agreement on things iPhone.
    07-23-2007 07:50 PM
  12. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    His name is Postal, and he has a toilet for an avatar. Doesn't that tell you something?
    07-23-2007 07:55 PM
  13. surur's Avatar
    it's good to see that off topic areas can be discussed as it is seemingly now allowed. Nothing wrong with that. It's good to see agreeing on things iPhone.
    As the quote poster, I can say the quotes are getting repetitive. The complaints have not decreased in volume, but its mostly the same thing over again - mainly apps crashing.

    What has been more interesting recently are people running into the built-in limitations of the device. People have certain expectations of a $600 device, and its amusing when the iPhone does not meet them. Also I find the security issues fascinating. Its amazing how many flaws show up when the spotlight of the worlds attention is one one device. As one hacker said: Everytime safari crashes on a web page, thats a potential exploit.

    Those are many many potential exploits.

    Surur
    07-23-2007 07:58 PM
  14. braj's Avatar
    His name is Postal, and he has a toilet for an avatar. Doesn't that tell you something?
    07-23-2007 08:00 PM
  15. braj's Avatar
    You apparently missed our praise of their level-headiness and the fact they actually bring something to the table to discuss/debate as opposed to your trolling or Postal's obvious non-addition to this thread.
    Well said.
    07-23-2007 08:00 PM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I see the Mod did some editing of Postal's post, but considering the somewhat insulting name he really used, well... enough said about his intentions.
    07-23-2007 08:09 PM
  17. braj's Avatar
    If I were an iPhone user, I would appreciate surur's posts as they can only help you understand issues other's are having with their devices. You may not like the messenger (or even his motives) but the message is useful information.
    07-23-2007 08:11 PM
  18. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    As the quote poster, I can say the quotes are getting repetitive. The complaints have not decreased in volume, but its mostly the same thing over again - mainly apps crashing.

    What has been more interesting recently are people running into the built-in limitations of the device. People have certain expectations of a $600 device, and its amusing when the iPhone does not meet them. Also I find the security issues fascinating. Its amazing how many flaws show up when the spotlight of the worlds attention is one one device. As one hacker said: Everytime safari crashes on a web page, thats a potential exploit.

    Those are many many potential exploits.

    Surur
    They claimed on the news that the one report of the iPhone being easily taken over by a phishing site is being taken seriously by Apple. If so, firmware update may be in the works. And they can sneak in updates for some of these other issues. We'll see.
    07-23-2007 08:13 PM
  19. braj's Avatar
    I *at least* have faith Apple will fix these issues faster than Palm, and likely faster than WM would be able to because of the huge number of configurations in the wild.
    07-23-2007 08:18 PM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    As the quote poster, I can say the quotes are getting repetitive. The complaints have not decreased in volume, but its mostly the same thing over again - mainly apps crashing.

    What has been more interesting recently are people running into the built-in limitations of the device. People have certain expectations of a $600 device, and its amusing when the iPhone does not meet them. Also I find the security issues fascinating. Its amazing how many flaws show up when the spotlight of the worlds attention is one one device. As one hacker said: Everytime safari crashes on a web page, thats a potential exploit.

    Those are many many potential exploits.

    Surur
    i don't disagree about built-in limitations of the device, or those people's expectations of a $600 device and it not meeting them. i take your word for the security issues being fascinating. yes, there are flaws. now, having said that:

    -why do some people out there truly enjoy their device regardless of the limitations? why is it that you only want to discredit the device? why is it that some around here actually go as far as discrediting the actual owners who are actually happy (in other words, why do they have to be labeled as retards, or the like)? if some don't like their iphone and are complaining about it, so what? this place is the rescue mission for Treos and you know that to be true. don't make me point you to those threads!

    -if people had certain expectations and the iphone didn't meet them so what? return the darn phone...yes, they knew that they would have to pay a restocking fee so that should not be an issue. if they didn't know then it's their own tough luck for not knowing such. i only expected it to do four things: phone, internet, email, and music. it does those things to my liking. would i like to see certain improvements? absolutely! yes, i think you should be able to type a few letters to look up a contact and i think one should be able to attach a photo from the email feature as opposed to the photo application. better yet, why can't one attach multiple images? maybe they can but i haven't bothered to look further into it because it just hasn't bothered me enough to do so. but at the end of the day, if the iPhone didn't deliver what i wanted i would have put it back to the company, plain and simple.

    in all honest to goodness truth, i'm still waiting for my device to crash (or reset). like i said, if it did i didn't notice it, but i definitely have not experienced what i used to with all of my past Treos.

    cheers
    07-23-2007 08:21 PM
  21. Felipe#WP's Avatar
    This may change with the iPhone, but generally on most smartphones, (and phones) firmware/software patches are rare (compared to desktop software)
    doesnt apple have the ability to change the firmware/software without having to go through ATT's testing process?
    07-23-2007 08:26 PM
  22. braj's Avatar
    I'm convinced at least some iPhone users are retards Just because you are happy with it doesn't make you one though.
    07-23-2007 08:28 PM
  23. cmaier's Avatar
    doesnt apple have the ability to change the firmware/software without having to go through ATT's testing process?
    They have the infrastructure to do so, but who knows what AT&T made them agree to. I'm guessing (based on visual voice mail, the way the activation process works through itunes, etc.) that Apple got some exemptions from the normal strong-arm tactics that the carriers apply to the device makers, but who knows.
    07-23-2007 09:30 PM
  24. braj's Avatar
    I wish Apple would have taken this opportunity to release an unlocked phone that consumers could demand any GSM carrier to allow on their networks. There is no reason (especially sans any subsidy) this couldn't have been done really. Then it truly would have been revolutionary. They possibly could have released in Europe first if the US carriers didn't play ball. People could just buy unlocked phones from that market in the meantime.
    07-23-2007 09:39 PM
  25. cmaier's Avatar
    Well, that wasn't a practical option, i'm sure. The outcry if they released first in europe would have been nuts. And if they released unlocked they wouldn't have had visual voice mail, they would probably have had issues where carriers refused to activate them, they would have had issues with the data network support in all likelihood, etc.
    07-23-2007 09:42 PM
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