1. surur's Avatar
    Oalvarez, your off-topic posts are funny. Its almost as if you care about what goes on in my thread.

    Surur
    07-21-2007 09:13 AM
  2. bruckwine's Avatar
    Why, I am a iPhone owner, who is this thread for then?
    iPhone owners who think certain features on the iPhone or lack of them (up to 10) suck...i.e. discontented iPhone owners - hence surur not actually making statements on his experience, but posting discontented posts from iPhone owners around the web.
    07-21-2007 09:47 AM
  3. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    Oalvarez, your off-topic posts are funny. Its almost as if you care about what goes on in my thread.
    He's trying, but his posts are just paltry and sad.

    More good news - for those iPhone owners that didn't read their Contract, this Wired article is pretty eye-opening:
    The iPhone contract is unusual in bundling many separate agreements into a single contract. It comes in six parts, including agreements regarding AT&T's phone service, the iPhone software, the iTunes software, the use of Google Maps and of YouTube in addition to a user's consent that an e-mail from Apple "will satisfy any legal communication requirements."
    Russian hackers found a built-in function which sends all data from an iPhone to a specified web-server. Contacts from a phonebook, SMS, recent calls, history of Safari browser - all your personal information can be stolen.
    At present there is no additional information about this issue. Researches assume that this function either a debug feature or a built-in backdoor module for some governmental structures. Anyways this function can be used by a trojan-developers or activated by the AT&T.
    I'm sure this is just an extension of the NSA program described at this link. When you sign on with AT&T, you sell your soul to the devil. :evil:
    07-21-2007 09:49 AM
  4. oalvarez's Avatar
    Oalvarez, your off-topic posts are funny. Its almost as if you care about what goes on in my thread.

    Surur
    aren't they great? yes, i know hard you and your pals are trying to keep this most serious of threads "on topic." heaven forbid what might happen if it strayed just a "little bit."

    the iPhone might suck but its suckage almost pales in comparison to the clippings i provided you. poor guy can't even turn on his device!
    07-21-2007 10:42 AM
  5. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Ollie,

    Crapping the thread....tsk tsk.

    Why so angry?

    There are many potential reasons from childhood that may account for it.

    You can get help.
    07-21-2007 10:48 AM
  6. oalvarez's Avatar
    Jack, Mobile, lets prove a point. Lets stop participating in this thread to see what happens. I did for a few days and perhaps attributed to randomness, the thread turned quiet. You know, like children crying for attention, you leave them alone long enough and they'll cry themselves to sleep.
    07-21-2007 10:58 AM
  7. surur's Avatar
    aren't they great? yes, i know hard you and your pals are trying to keep this most serious of threads "on topic." heaven forbid what might happen if it strayed just a "little bit."

    the iPhone might suck but its suckage almost pales in comparison to the clippings i provided you. poor guy can't even turn on his device!
    Thought my iPhone died (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=327035)

    damado 07-08-2007 12:43 PM

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    Thought my iPhone died

    Just picked it up and pushed the bottom button and nothing happened.

    I tried hitting every button and nothing, hooked it up to the wall charged, the computer, nothing.

    Finally I just held the bottom button and the top button and finally a little silver apple showed up on the screen after about 5+ seconds of holding both buttons down. Then my custom backgound showed up with the slider and everything appears normal.....wierd though.

    Battery was at half charge.

    Has this happened to anyone?

    iMichael72 07-08-2007 12:51 PM

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    Hasn't happened to me. Glad your iPhone is not dead, though.

    MattyMac 07-08-2007 12:52 PM

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    Quote:

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    Originally Posted by damado (Post 3890839)
    Just picked it up and pushed the bottom button and nothing happened.

    I tried hitting every button and nothing, hooked it up to the wall charged, the computer, nothing.

    Finally I just held the bottom button and the top button and finally a little silver apple showed up on the screen after about 5+ seconds of holding both buttons down. Then my custom backgound showed up with the slider and everything appears normal.....wierd though.

    Battery was at half charge.

    Has this happened to anyone?
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    Same thing happened to me...I had to look on the apple website to try and figure out how to restart it. Lets hope it doesn't happen EVER again. I was quite nervous.

    badtzmaru 07-08-2007 12:54 PM

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    its possible you turned it off, or it got turned off accidentally. But who knows for sure! if it happens again, i would say you have a battery problem.

    permie 07-08-2007 12:54 PM

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    slider problem?

    I was having problems unlocking my phone but just tried rebooting after reading this same forum. Held both top and bottom buttons for a few seconds and it seemed to work. Hopefully I won't encounter any further problems.

    hexonxonx 07-08-2007 04:31 PM

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    This happened the first day I got it. Just a simple reset and all has been well since.

    siurpeeman 07-08-2007 04:33 PM

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    it happened to me a few days ago. i thought the iphone ran out of battery, as it was close to being drained. but going home, plugging it in did nothing. panic set in, but i looked up how to do a hard reset, and it turned on. the iphone's been working fine since (fewer crashes even).

    slvasf 07-13-2007 01:28 AM

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    just happened to me too

    thanks to this forum, I figured out how to get it going again, but it had been charging for quite a while (like hours) and it's only about 2/3 charged...any thoughts? Does it take up a lot of batt power to do the double-button routine?

    attadj 07-13-2007 06:44 PM

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    Happened to me the other day while listening to the ipod. Just quit and appeared dead. Very concerning that this is happening. It wasn't warm to the touch when it happened either and the battery was charged.

    saganich 07-18-2007 09:44 AM

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    Hello,
    Mine died as well this morning while listning to music. The song ended and the next song didn't start. The battery was fully charged and upon restart remained so. Thanks to damado all is well again

    thepopasduck 07-18-2007 02:47 PM

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    Iphone comes back

    I just had my Iphone appear to drop dead also but I followed the advice above and it came back to life. Has anyone else loss the large screen that displays the battery charging?
    T

    djhart 07-20-2007 04:26 PM

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    yes, mine died while the battery was charging. suddenly got black screen of death. but followed the advice on this thread to press top and bottom buttons together, which brought up the silver apple icon and then straight to home (no unlocking). what's interesting is that it was charging the whole time while black, because the battery was dead before I plugged it in, and then it went black, and since I could not get it on I just left it plugged in, and after I read this thread and got it back on less than an hour later, it was almost fully charged.
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=327035

    Surur
    07-21-2007 11:01 AM
  8. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Surur:

    See, I can do it too (just like Riley in National Treasure)::stick:

    If you have Blue Tooth headset problems, please read this...
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    let's help Palm with their next ROM update: List of all issues on the 680
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    You know Customer Service is clueless when...
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    VolumeCare Discussions
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    Web disappeared!
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=148193

    Weird Synch Issues..
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147954

    Need help asap. 650 wont hotsync
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147855:hmm:

    Need help ASAP - 650 won't *stop* HotSyncing
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147940

    One month meltdowns???
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=145758

    Tethering 755p to MacBook Pro = I can't!
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=148170

    *RAPID* (loss of >50% in minutes) battery discharge in Treo 755
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147913

    Data forcing all calls to voicemail
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=148111

    Contacts take 3 seconds to load
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147587

    Ready to Scream - Disappearing Mini-SD
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147023

    We get it...you don't like the iPhone hype and deaf ear some folks turn to the problems that crop up...no different than the Treo fanboys that scream "My TreoXXX never resets"..."My TreoXXX has great earpiece volume"

    Why does this have to be a crusade for you and so many others here? If an iPhone does what some folks want...fine. I find my satisfaction in a Blackjack...so what? You find satisfaction in over-sized HTC devices (or more accurately, ultra-ultra-mini notepads)..again...so what? Give it a rest man. Be thankful, Mick still ain't found no satisfaction after all these years...
    07-21-2007 11:39 AM
  9. CountBuggula's Avatar
    Surur:

    See, I can do it too (just like Riley in National Treasure)::stick:

    If you have Blue Tooth headset problems, please read this...
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    let's help Palm with their next ROM update: List of all issues on the 680
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    You know Customer Service is clueless when...
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    VolumeCare Discussions
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ttery+problems

    Web disappeared!
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=148193

    Weird Synch Issues..
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147954

    Need help asap. 650 wont hotsync
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147855:hmm:

    Need help ASAP - 650 won't *stop* HotSyncing
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147940

    One month meltdowns???
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=145758

    Tethering 755p to MacBook Pro = I can't!
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=148170

    *RAPID* (loss of >50% in minutes) battery discharge in Treo 755
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147913

    Data forcing all calls to voicemail
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=148111

    Contacts take 3 seconds to load
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147587

    Ready to Scream - Disappearing Mini-SD
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=147023

    We get it...you don't like the iPhone hype and deaf ear some folks turn to the problems that crop up...no different than the Treo fanboys that scream "My TreoXXX never resets"..."My TreoXXX has great earpiece volume"

    Why does this have to be a crusade for you and so many others here? If an iPhone does what some folks want...fine. I find my satisfaction in a Blackjack...so what? You find satisfaction in over-sized HTC devices (or more accurately, ultra-ultra-mini notepads)..again...so what? Give it a rest man. Be thankful, Mick still ain't found no satisfaction after all these years...
    That's great and all, except that:
    1) we already know it. People have been complaining about those issues for quite some time.
    2) The Treo was never touted as the "5 years ahead of every other smartphone on the market be-all, end-all phone."
    3) Your post is off-topic for this thread and trolling.
    07-21-2007 12:22 PM
  10. Malatesta's Avatar
    lol, I love the disparaging posts about this thread and the Ollie and dstrauss basically do the same thing.

    You know what they Surur...

    "Imitation is the highest form of flattery"

    Jack, Mobile, lets prove a point. Lets stop participating in this thread to see what happens. I did for a few days and perhaps attributed to randomness, the thread turned quiet. You know, like children crying for attention, you leave them alone long enough and they'll cry themselves to sleep.
    Best idea ever!

    It's a win-win. You leave, maybe the thread will die (maybe not) either way, it's a win for us, so please, shoo...

    Back on topic, I'm interested in the NSA thing. Will be interesting to see if more information comes out, right now it does sound a little paranoid, but interesting nonetheless.
    07-21-2007 01:57 PM
  11. braj's Avatar
    This isn't about the Treo or how necessary it be updated yesterday, but about the iPhone.

    Frankly, I think lots of iPhone posters (well at least one ) don't want to admit it has issues because it would make them look like tools for being so adamant that it is near-perfect. That it isn't 5 years ahead, doesn't have bugs or isn't the perfect phone doesn't mean it isn't a cool device and a great option for some people. It's just some people here want to put it into perspective because the hype machine has made many think that everything else is obsolete and the iPhone trumps all other phones, which it simply doesn't.
    07-21-2007 02:00 PM
  12. cmaier's Avatar
    Just for my own education, is this "5 years ahead" thing something someone actually said? (other than archie).
    07-21-2007 03:25 PM
  13. Slingbox's Avatar
    The iphone fanboy should start a thread called,
    (How the iphone makes productivity flourish)

    Im sure there would be tons of postive
    07-21-2007 03:51 PM
  14. Malatesta's Avatar
    Just for my own education, is this "5 years ahead" thing something someone actually said? (other than archie).
    "Software that's 5-years ahead of what's on any other phone."
    Steve Jobs
    9:49am, MacWorld 2007
    "We want to reinvent the phone."
    10:04 am, ibid

    and comparing to other smartphones, which some say Jobs never did:

    "Today Apple is reinventing the phone. How does this stack up? Let's look at the competition..." Treo, BB, E62, Q... comparing mail, contacts, calendars, web... "Let's see the web, we tried to make it look as good as we could. And this is what you get." Comparing music..."
    10:44am
    "It let us create desktop class applications and networking, not the cripled stuff you find on most phones, these are real desktop applications."
    9:51am
    07-21-2007 04:21 PM
  15. cmaier's Avatar
    wow. you guys spend a lot of time analyzing that stuff?
    07-21-2007 04:32 PM
  16. Malatesta's Avatar
    wow. you guys spend a lot of time analyzing that stuff?
    Not really. I looked at the transcript here at Engadget.

    Then did a "quick find" (in Firefox. e.g. Ctrl-F) under "years" and got your fact for you. If you know how to google and use the internet, it's really easy to find info. You could have done the same but I did your work for you.

    Honestly it took 25 seconds.

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/l...-jobs-keynote/
    07-21-2007 04:34 PM
  17. cmaier's Avatar
    Well, Malatesta, yes, if I knew to start with the transcript. I had no idea where the quote came from. I assumed it was someone on the board.

    Next time please don't bother doing any work for me.
    07-21-2007 04:41 PM
  18. bruckwine's Avatar
    wow. you guys spend a lot of time analyzing that stuff?
    You don't have to analyze anything really - that was Jobsy's take home message and it's a fact that no one argues over - he said the iPhone was 5 yrs ahead of anything presently on the market, which it isn't. even if you consider the UI advanced in the average scheme of things it's not 5 yrs (not sure where he did his time measurements ). There have been larger advances in technology that that in less time.
    07-21-2007 04:41 PM
  19. cmaier's Avatar
    No, it's certainly not 5 years ahead.

    I'd say the average of its advances are about a year ahead, and it's certainly behind in lots of areas.

    I guess we'll see where things are a year from now. One thing I know for sure is it will be awhile before Palm catches up if palm thinks foleo is a great innovation :-)
    07-21-2007 04:47 PM
  20. Malatesta's Avatar
    Well, Malatesta, yes, if I knew to start with the transcript. I had no idea where the quote came from. I assumed it was someone on the board.

    Next time please don't bother doing any work for me.
    You asked a fair question and I gave you a response and citation.

    You then responded with
    "wow. you guys spend a lot of time analyzing that stuff?"
    Which certainly implied that
    (a) I have no life
    (b) I spent a lot of time researching that question

    In other words, I took offense at the remark, though you might not have meant any harm.

    I then responded with how I found your answer and that it didn't take long. I didn't mean to imply that you were lazy or should have known better, though I could have seen how it could be read that way, so sorry if you took it as such.

    Just trying to help. :thumbsup:

    Back to the quote: their UI in terms of simplicity and elegance is certainly a year, maybe two ahead of anything else, though that certainly seems arbitrary. In terms of functions and capability, it's X years behind any current smartphone and even low-end devices like the RAZR.
    07-21-2007 04:50 PM
  21. cmaier's Avatar
    I apologize Malatesta. I meant no offense by the "analyzing" and felt your response was condescending.

    As for your analysis, I pretty much concur. After two weeks with iphone I'd say it is far ahead of any phone i've used in terms of useability, but is lacking in features. However, I do think, functionality-wise, its web browser is ahead of anything i've seen in most areas. As an engineer, I also think it's an amazing job of hardware engineering. The screen, proximity sensors, multitouch, thin profile, etc., are things that either don't exist in other products or which do not exist all in one package. Yet.

    I also do think that having iphone in the market will result in more creativity from palm, htc, and the rest. I hope.
    07-21-2007 05:00 PM
  22. bruckwine's Avatar
    No, it's certainly not 5 years ahead.

    I'd say the average of its advances are about a year ahead, and it's certainly behind in lots of areas.

    I guess we'll see where things are a year from now. One thing I know for sure is it will be awhile before Palm catches up if palm thinks foleo is a great innovation :-)
    And if Jobs had stated that I'd probably have little issue with the phone tbh..but he blew it out of proportion and given what it lacks that just rubs me wrong. The engineers however had the right idea and I too look for other competitors to benefit/innovate - the marketing sucks though imo (much like the Mac guy ads).
    07-21-2007 05:14 PM
  23. surur's Avatar
    Some iPhone users are getting desperate.

    Seriously considering returning my iPhone, need your opinion

    johnbro23 07-21-2007 01:55 PM

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    Seriously considering returning my iPhone, need your opinion

    This is my second thread to this effect. A few weeks ago, I complained of constant crashing of many key programs, mostly the Safari, iPod and Maps applications. Forum members suggested restoring iPhone software. I did so, and the problem was fixed temporarily. However, it seems that the crashing has become more and more frequent as time goes by. About once a week, I restart my phone, hoping it will help. It doesn't really have any effect anymore. Over the past week, the problems I've been having have been persistent and are listed below:

    1. Safari quitting after a few clicks around the web. Some sites that are notable for crashes include weather.com, posting on facebook.com, and even some of the complex pages on apple.com, such as .../iphone.

    2. iPod and Safari running at the same time seems to double the chance of a crash of either application

    3. Google Maps crashes after an average of two minutes of use, and forgets where I was. (i.e. if I open up Google maps and I'm at NYC for example, navigate to L.A., it crashes, then opens back up in NYC). It's very annoying when I'm getting directions.

    4. Surprisingly enough, iPod actually has crashed simply playing music, although this happening is rare. However, coverflow is a different story. It seems to only be able to handle about two minutes of coverflow use.

    5. YouTube tends to crash after an average of 10 minutes of use.

    My iPhone only has about 100MB of free space, so maybe the fact that it's so packed with data causes some of the crashes? I have 140 contacts (which is think is a little below average. All contacts have photos), about 1000 songs (mostly encoded in 196kbps, all with around 600x600 pixel cover art), 7 videos (320x240 .h264), 540 photos, and no stored email.

    So my questions is: should I return my iPhone for a new one? There's no Apple Store around me, so would an AT&T store be able/willing to just swap me phones?

    Overall, I am happy with my phone. The things that it can do just amaze me. But I feel that I should be getting a more..well..stable experience after spending $600 on the device.

    iBookG4user 07-21-2007 01:59 PM

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    When I'm listening to music while I browse the web, I also get a lot of crashes. Although none of your other issues seemed present on my iPhone. I suggest that you go take it back to the AT&T store and have them look at it to see if you can get a new iPhone.

    yescurvyswab 07-21-2007 02:32 PM

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    I've had mine since Monday, and I had this issue yesterday. I thought it was Meebo's fault at first, but then everything else started crashing, and the slide to unlock stopped working. Then I tried to turn it off, and it took about 4 tries for that slider to work. After turning it back on, it's fine. I'm sure this will get fixed in an update, so I'm not too worried. I knew there would be problems at launch time, I just couldn't wait :apple:

    ukneeq 07-21-2007 02:36 PM

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    I would go ahead and try returning it if you are overall happy with the iPhone. Then give it til at least the 1st software update. If it is still crappy after that, then just return it and wait for the next revision.

    boss1 07-21-2007 02:45 PM

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    patience IMO. The fact that the apps crash, and there are a lack of rich apps should be of no surprise to anyone.

    I would give Apple at least until the 1st firmware update before going through the process of returning it and getting a dif. phone.

    Would suck if they fixed it all and added some new features a few days after your purchase return.

    But if you can't deal with it as is today what can we say. Your going back to the dark side! <beginsoundeffect>dun dun dun<endsoundeffect>

    johnbro23 07-21-2007 03:05 PM

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    Quote:

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    Originally Posted by boss1 (Post 3945845)
    patience IMO. The fact that the apps crash, and there are a lack of rich apps should be of no surprise to anyone.

    I would give Apple at least until the 1st firmware update before going through the process of returning it and getting a dif. phone.

    Would suck if they fixed it all and added some new features a few days after your purchase return.

    But if you can't deal with it as is today what can we say. Your going back to the dark side! <beginsoundeffect>dun dun dun<endsoundeffect>
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    Yeah, my plan would never be to return it and go back to my old phone. If you all hadn't convinced me to wait it out, I would've tried to return it for another iPhone, hoping that it was hardware issue and a new phone might fix the problems.

    You have a good point about waiting for the first firmware update. It just can't come soon enough...

    KD7IWP 07-21-2007 03:40 PM

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    If it crashes all the time I would recommend exchanging for another and if keeps doing it, hold off until later. Almost fortunately for me, I can't get an iPhone at least until version 2 because I live in Canada and we all know it will be another century or so until we see it. Probably will debut in Europe before it does here and I'm only 7 miles from Washington State.
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=332391

    Surur
    07-21-2007 05:31 PM
  24. Malatesta's Avatar
    I apologize Malatesta. I meant no offense by the "analyzing" and felt your response was condescending.

    As for your analysis, I pretty much concur. After two weeks with iphone I'd say it is far ahead of any phone i've used in terms of useability, but is lacking in features. However, I do think, functionality-wise, its web browser is ahead of anything i've seen in most areas. As an engineer, I also think it's an amazing job of hardware engineering. The screen, proximity sensors, multitouch, thin profile, etc., are things that either don't exist in other products or which do not exist all in one package. Yet.

    I also do think that having iphone in the market will result in more creativity from palm, htc, and the rest. I hope.
    No appology needed, but thanks. Writing tends to not convey the necessary pragmatics of speech, sadly, so these things happen.

    I agree with the rest of what you wrote and I hope it jump starts the rest of these companies as well. I also hope the carriers loosen up a bit in terms of OEM freedom, but for that I'm less optimistic.

    I'm excited to see MS's "photon" and POSII. Both, well in development for 2 years now, are supposed to heavily refine the UI in terms of speed and simplicity. Could be interesting.
    07-21-2007 05:33 PM
  25. surur's Avatar
    After two weeks with iphone I'd say it is far ahead of any phone i've used in terms of useability,... .
    Only if you dont try and use it for anything the designers did not anticipate. This is also a fact which needs to be acknowledged. Examples are all over this thread.

    Surur
    07-21-2007 05:35 PM
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