1. Malatesta's Avatar
    schadenfreude?

    I agree that the iPhone has received an immense amount of publicity and interest. I wonder if that has more to do with the loyal apple fan base than anything else. Say what you want but the beautiful multi touch screen has never really been done before. For some, thats not enough to buy one. The iPhone has clearly become this years cool product. I think that bothers alot of people.
    Actually, I have no firm hatred of the iPhone, just regrets, which I've mentioned before:

    -no 3g
    -not open to 3rd party apps
    -not on Sprint

    If it did all of those I would have bought one and tried it out, I'm certainly not "above" using one. But simply put, for what I like to do on my devices and my network, I can't use the iPhone. So, for me those are things that bug me. But I have no issue with the 75% of people who were already on AT&T picking up a new phone.
    07-20-2007 03:30 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    Games? More frustrated iPhone users.

    Why no iphone games?

    princealfie 07-18-2007 02:03 PM

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    Why no iphone games?

    Just wondering why the ipod games won't work with the iphone? I thought that the iphone has a better graphics chip?

    nbs2 07-18-2007 02:17 PM

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    Because there is no click wheel.

    Me1000 07-18-2007 02:22 PM

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    Graphics processing has nothing to do with it,
    it would be like trying to run a game for Windows on a Mac Pro,
    2 entirely different platforms

    ChandlerXJ 07-18-2007 02:43 PM

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    don't worry, games are coming.

    ricgnzlzcr 07-18-2007 03:01 PM

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    I really need the games to start coming in. I was in the hospital for a long time last night with no signal whatsoever. I really needed some quick entertainment.

    ghall 07-18-2007 03:19 PM

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    I actually see no reason why the iPhone can't have a simulated clickwheel for iPod games. It could work, if implemented correctly.

    Me1000 07-18-2007 03:57 PM

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    I actually see no reason why the iPhone can't have a simulated clickwheel for iPod games. It could work, if implemented correctly.
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    sure it could, but it would be like trying to run an xbox game on windows,
    2 entirely different platforms,

    so either updates are required for the game, or the iPhone needs an emulator...

    zap2 07-18-2007 04:02 PM

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    Originally Posted by Me1000 (Post 3934501)
    Graphics processing has nothing to do with it,
    it would be like trying to run a game for Windows on a Mac Pro,
    2 entirely different platforms
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    bad example...a Mac Pro can run Windows games easy....although iPhone could run iPod games if apple put out some support(like with boot camp)..so maybe it was a good example

    Sobe 07-18-2007 04:20 PM

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    bad example...a Mac Pro can run Windows games easy....although iPhone could run iPod games if apple put out some support(like with boot camp)..so maybe it was a good example
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    yeah they sold you a phone that can hold several gigs of movies, music, and audio books.

    I'm sure soduku and tetris are at the top of their list...

    kdarling 07-18-2007 05:14 PM

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    I actually see no reason why the iPhone can't have a simulated clickwheel for iPod games. It could work, if implemented correctly.
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    Sure, as long as there's enough space on the touchscreen leftover for the display section... which for iPod games should be true.

    Edit: Hmm, now the oddball 320x480 kind of makes sense. Cut it in half vertically and you get a 320x240 video ipod, plus a second like area for "controls".

    D1G1T4L 07-18-2007 06:49 PM

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    Originally Posted by Sobe (Post 3934970)
    yeah they sold you a phone that can hold several gigs of movies, music, and audio books.

    I'm sure soduku and tetris are at the top of their list...
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    You can almost bet it is close. Something else they can sell us in iTunes just like they have done with our iPods. It is on that list don't worry

    Plus this touch screen is just screaming for a port of Bejeweled.

    As far as simulated touch wheel? NOOOOO Lets keep moving forward and not back. Let them make touch screen versions of the games.

    [G5]Hydra 07-18-2007 06:56 PM

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    Originally Posted by D1G1T4L (Post 3935448)
    Plus this touch screen is just screaming for a port of Bejeweled.
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    diamenty/

    You can stop screaming now

    D1G1T4L 07-18-2007 06:58 PM

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    diamenty/

    You can stop screaming now
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    I'm not screaming

    Talk to the screen.

    Having games that are not depended on Edge/Wifi is more what I was referring too.

    kdarling 07-18-2007 07:09 PM

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    Originally Posted by D1G1T4L (Post 3935448)
    As far as simulated touch wheel? NOOOOO Lets keep moving forward and not back. Let them make touch screen versions of the games.
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    Depends, of course. Some games like TicTacToe, Chess and the like would be fine as touch. Basically anywhere you'd normally use your hand, or pencil etc to move or mark.

    Others like Tetris would be awful, because you don't want your fingers covering the action. That's also when buttons will be missed the most, since people are used to resting their fingers lightly on game controls between pushes.

    D1G1T4L 07-18-2007 07:52 PM

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    Originally Posted by kdarling (Post 3935499)
    Depends, of course. Some games like TicTacToe, Chess and the like would be fine as touch. Basically anywhere you'd normally use your hand, or pencil etc to move or mark.

    Others like Tetris would be awful, because you don't want your fingers covering the action. That's also when buttons will be missed the most, since people are used to resting their fingers lightly on game controls between pushes.
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    Same could be said with the virtual keyboard.

    Tetris with buttons on the screen would work fine IMO.

    Of course there are those who like the keyboard and those who don't so guess we will have to wait and see what Apple does.

    OrleansMac 07-18-2007 11:25 PM

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    As I said with ringtones, I expect games to come very soon to the iPhone.

    I don't want complicated/long games but just simple & fun ones such as solitare

    AJsAWiz 07-19-2007 05:54 PM

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    Originally Posted by D1G1T4L (Post 3935473)
    I'm not screaming

    Talk to the screen.

    Having games that are not depended on Edge/Wifi is more what I was referring too.
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    It's my understanding that all iPhone apps (games included) are web based.:apple:

    pr5owner 07-19-2007 05:56 PM

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    Originally Posted by OrleansMac (Post 3936189)
    As I said with ringtones, I expect games to come very soon to the iPhone.

    I don't want complicated/long games but just simple & fun ones such as solitare
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    dopewars?

    zap2 07-19-2007 07:25 PM

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    give me some Snood, and I'd be happy!

    OrleansMac 07-19-2007 10:37 PM

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    give me some Snood, and I'd be happy!
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    Oh Snood. Good one.

    Dopewars? If its fun, bring it on!
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=331309

    Surur
    07-20-2007 03:34 PM
  3. mobileman's Avatar
    Games? More frustrated iPhone users.

    Surur

    My favorite part from the post you quoted is....

    "I really need the games to start coming in. I was in the hospital for a long time last night with no signal whatsoever. I really needed some quick entertainment. "

    I guess 8 gigs worth of music, movies, and podcasts doesn't count.
    07-20-2007 03:37 PM
  4. surur's Avatar
    My favorite part from the post you quoted is....

    "I really need the games to start coming in. I was in the hospital for a long time last night with no signal whatsoever. I really needed some quick entertainment. "

    I guess 8 gigs worth of music, movies, and podcasts doesn't count.
    I guess not.

    Surur
    07-20-2007 03:47 PM
  5. braj's Avatar
    My favorite part from the post you quoted is....

    "I really need the games to start coming in. I was in the hospital for a long time last night with no signal whatsoever. I really needed some quick entertainment. "

    I guess 8 gigs worth of music, movies, and podcasts doesn't count.
    Not when what you want is to play a game.
    07-20-2007 03:48 PM
  6. surur's Avatar
    There are grades of fanboys?

    tomad 07-19-2007 07:59 PM

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    apple censorship?

    I posted on Apple's forum my experience with my i-phone becoming inoperable after 15 days. The Apple store has sent it back for repairs. I posted how I felt it was poor customer relations to make me pay the $30 loaner fee for a $600 phone that is only two weeks old. I can understand that there is always going to be some defective units coming off a production line - I happened to be unlucky this time and got one. I had also faxed a letter to apple customer service and got one call stating they would send me a case for the phone and a second follow up call asking if that was satisfactory. $30 is nothing to me. It is the principal. I am a long time apple user (since the early 80"s) and currently we have in our household 3 mac computers, 3 i-pods, and the i-phone. When I was in the apple store the manager on duty pulled up my records and stated that he saw I was a good customer but couldn't override the policy charging the $30.

    Had lots of quick responses to my post (all but 1 positive) but Apple removed it. Now I believe what I've heard and read - you can't voice anything negative about them or their products on their website.

    Yes I will continue to be an Apple fan and buy their products, (I still think they're the best) but the blind loyalty I've had all these years is gone.

    dfnj123 07-19-2007 08:03 PM

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    people on apple's forums = extreme fanboys

    pr5owner 07-19-2007 08:33 PM

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    WTF under 30 days and they didnt pay the loaner fee?

    with my company if any product is defective within 30 days that is DOA to us,

    we pay for shipping (BOTH WAYS) give them a new product and ship 1 day fedex, they get a new product before he/she even ships the defective one back on OUR fedex account.

    that is bad customer service IMO. if it was over 30 or 45 days i could see that they would want to charge you, but under 2 weeks!!!!

    FreeState 07-19-2007 09:17 PM

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    I don't think there is anything wrong asking for $30 on a loaner.

    On a side note, do not take this personally, just an observation - but why is it there are always post here from first time poster that claim to be long time Apple users and supporters but they always seem to spell the name of the product they purchased wrong? Hint: its not spelled I-phone, I-pod or I-mac. Just a pet peeve of mine I guess.
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=331836

    Surur
    07-20-2007 03:49 PM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    So now your telling me what I can and should post about? Why dont we change the name of these forums to "Surur Forums". Here, you can set the rules on what we are aloud to post about, and what opinions we must have.
    Chill and pill.
    07-20-2007 06:03 PM
  8. meyerweb#CB's Avatar
    "I don't think there's anything wrong asking $30 for loaner...."

    There's no limit to excuses some people will make for Apple, is there? If my Treo died in less than 2 weeks, I expect to walk out with a new phone, not a loaner. And I'd sure as heck not be willing to pay because Palm / Sprint / whoever sold me a defective device.

    Apple's arrogance knows no bounds.
    07-20-2007 06:03 PM
  9. taylorh's Avatar
    Apple's arrogance knows no bounds.
    Ain't that the truth.
    07-20-2007 06:06 PM
  10. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Most companies have employee brochures, procedure manuals etc. Most companies don't write them, they use boilerplate's or the "borrow" one from a company they used to work for. I consult to many large engineering firms and have to deal with them on a daily basis. Means of communication and other protocols are established and means of communication defined. Our work is also reviewed by regulatory agencies. Again communication here is defined by rules.

    1. Contact with regulatory agencies is limited to phone, written and e-mail communication. Phone contact is limited to M-W-F mornings and T-T afternoons. All communications if significance must be in writing or e-mail.

    2. Contact with partnering engineering firms is limited to written, e-mail and phone communication.

    Part of this is for legal and liability reasons, part of it is to maintain written records but the biggest part of it, strange as it may seem, is that people have to actually get work done between 9 to 5 and if repeated "doodlle-doots" are going to keep interrupting them that can't happen. That's why many offices and the regulatory agencies limit phone call contact to certain hours....so people can get work done.

    Think about it, I have soemone sitting here designing a bridge girder for a bridge near your house. It requires a fair amount of concentration. As he is working my way through the calculations, he hears "doddle doot"...."Honey can ya bring home milk and bread ?' .... after answering, peep backs up a few steps to restablish his train of thought ....."doodle doot" ..... "yo dude, we still going out to McGagles after work....it''s dollar shots night" Answers no ..... gets back to work......"doodle doot" ..... "Hey where's the spec for the County Road 35 job ?" .... "In the library" ....."now where the hell was I again....crap, I better start over ?"

    Heck many offices still have a "no personal phone calls policy". We are a bit informal and allow personal calls but since they are obvious and abuses can be monitored. IM not so. About half the firms I do business with limit phone calls to certain hours.... before 10 am or after 3 pm unless there is a particularly urgent matter. My doctor has the same policy, I do business with over a dozen law firms, they have the same policy. Our accountants have the same policy.

    Our profession requires continuing education (36 hours per year). I teach courses on Network Safety (Protecting your network from outside attack, intrusion and employee theft / mishaps) and Intraoffice and Interoffice Communications (Limiting your Liabilities). In teaching the course, I have encountered no firms which list IM as an acceptable form of communication in the Office Manuals. More than half specifically prohibit.

    Now there are industries such as sales where it might be useful but if I'm responsible for the bottom line , it would be strictly in house only. Anyone routinely using AOL IM to get milk and bread messages, sports scores, "water cooler" type discussions on the latest TV episode" would be canned.



    I am on vacation.



    In other words you couldn't come up with anything to counter the logic with, so adopted SPR (standard playground response). This easier for you ?

    Mike: "Your phone sux, it doesn't have ringtones"

    Jack: "I don't use ringtones, I find them obnoxious and annoying"

    Mike: "Well your phone is still suckie cause now they have a 23 step hack that lets you add ringtones"

    Jack: "I still don't like ringtones, and will not be doing the 23 step hack cause I still find them obnoxious and annoying. I think people who use ringtones should have to pay a tax for annoying the general public."

    Mike: "Aha....see even your vendor knows the phone sux.....they are coming out with a patch which adds ringtones"

    Jack: " I still find them obnoxious and annoying, I will never apply the patch unless it is packaged with something I do need and will never even consider give up my screen, my UI and my web experience for something as meaningless as ringtones.

    Mike: "yeah....well....ya phone still sux....and ....oh yeah....you're retaded"
    Jack,

    Thanks for the laborious post about engineering firms.

    It's called time management. If you can't do it, dont blame the technology.


    If this is your vacation, I have one word: lame.

    As for you playground response you desire, I'll pass; I'm sure you are all too familiar with playgrounds from your own lonely past. Don't involve me in your imaginary conversations.
    07-20-2007 06:12 PM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    ^and yet another voice of logic and reason. but Surur, Mal, MikeC, Count, Braj will try and make all others around here believe otherwise.

    this is all about "what Jobs said" and "how he compared the iPhone to other smartphones" on a media board. only their posts are acceptable, all others are labled as trolling and the like. they can do, you cannot.

    you'll understand if you already don't. i get the feeling that you do.
    I think Surur, braj, Count, Mal, myself, are all in favor of freedom of speech - we just don't think tha means you also have freedom not be offended when someone disagrees. (Guys, sorry if I am speaking out of turn for you.)
    07-20-2007 06:17 PM
  12. braj's Avatar
    If this is your vacation, I have one word: lame.
    No frickin' doubt.
    07-20-2007 06:17 PM
  13. mikec#IM's Avatar
    From wikiedia

    "Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, ....."
    Well, I for one firmly believe your own posts discredit you much more effectively than any "troll".
    07-20-2007 06:19 PM
  14. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Its a friendly suggestion.

    Surur
    Appeasement is not necessary; he will find a fight regardless of the adjective.
    07-20-2007 06:21 PM
  15. mikec#IM's Avatar
    this whole thread is crap. it should be expected to find some "thread crapping" on the dung that was originally laid when you created this post.

    it's to be expected.
    "it's to be expected"...your favorite turdly trolling line.

    Feel free to add value whenever you figure out why you are so angry at the world.
    07-20-2007 06:24 PM
  16. mikec#IM's Avatar
    here's what other people are saying about the HTC Mogul:
    I think lots of WM users would agree it should have higher resolution.
    07-20-2007 06:25 PM
  17. mikec#IM's Avatar
    here's another in case there are some who are debating a future HTC Mogul purchase:
    It's well known that if you have used Palm OS, WM is slower in responsiveness. It's a choice between speed and stability.

    Palm OS is 10 years old; WM5/6 is what, a couple years?

    The difference is, that no matter how fast the processor, Palm OS will not be more stable. A faster processor for WM5/6 will address resposiveness concerns.

    I still think there is a lot of room for improvement in WM, no doubt. Just like with everything else.
    07-20-2007 06:29 PM
  18. mikec#IM's Avatar
    We have that thread already Oal...

    Things you hate about Windows Mobile.

    c'mon troll, you can do it! stay focused...

    You really are kind of "special", aren't you?

    This whole iPhone-hating thread really gets you, it's hilarious.
    Ollie is just sad that's it has been two weeks since anyone posted in that thread.
    07-20-2007 06:32 PM
  19. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Thanks for your concern, but
    (a) I'm at work/on break
    (b) It's Long Island, it's as ugly as the people
    (c) I don't use the Moto Q anymore, just the 700wx
    (d) I'm on the phone with Sprint, waiting...lol
    (b) It's Long Island, it's as ugly as the people

    LOL!
    07-20-2007 06:34 PM
  20. cmaier's Avatar
    "I don't think there's anything wrong asking $30 for loaner...."

    There's no limit to excuses some people will make for Apple, is there? If my Treo died in less than 2 weeks, I expect to walk out with a new phone, not a loaner. And I'd sure as heck not be willing to pay because Palm / Sprint / whoever sold me a defective device.

    Apple's arrogance knows no bounds.
    How is "I don't think there's anything wrong..." an excuse? Sounds to me like in that poster's opinion no excuse is necessary (he'd be wrong). And excuse would be "$30 is a fair price so that Steve Jobs can pay the electric bill on his segway."

    Also, to be fair, the forums (probably even this one, but certainly macrumors and howardforums) are full of posts from people who brought in iphones before and even after the 14 day period and got them replaced on-the-spot with no questions (or very limited questions) asked. I know I've read of people getting them swapped for the battery indicator problem, and even one guy who actually dropped his and cracked the screen got it replaced for free. It's quite possible this whole thing is an isolated incident.

    If you want to talk arrogance, try and convince HP that they should help you with the fact that you've had your computer for a day and it won't hibernate. They were willing to help until they learned i installed office on the thing.

    Frankly, the only electronics company i've had nothing but good experiences with is Sling. So the fact that most people (based on unscientific polling of the boards) are having generally positive experiences with Apple seems promising.
    07-20-2007 06:37 PM
  21. mikec#IM's Avatar
    My favorite part from the post you quoted is....

    "I really need the games to start coming in. I was in the hospital for a long time last night with no signal whatsoever. I really needed some quick entertainment. "

    I guess 8 gigs worth of music, movies, and podcasts doesn't count.
    How is that even revelant?

    They guy wanted a game.

    Geez
    07-20-2007 06:38 PM
  22. oalvarez's Avatar
    Ollie is just sad that's it has been two weeks since anyone posted in that thread.
    uh, that would be your pal Malatesta providing that link. we know that you have difficulty spelling but apparently you also have difficulty reading. it's also quite obvious that you have trouble with making any kind of sense.
    07-20-2007 07:18 PM
  23. oalvarez's Avatar
    :hmm:
    Well, I for one firmly believe your own posts discredit you much more effectively than any "troll".
    hey, would you believe this? guess who i found "trolling" around the "Phone Different" site:

    Blackjack has a 1200 mAh battery, but same EDGE talktime as iPhone?

    Maybe the battery isn't as much as we think.

    I bet most people would want 3G...they could just replace the battery....oh wait, can't do that on the iPhone.

    Opps.
    and yet another

    I couldn't try it. It was not a criticism just a fact. It's an iPod, I'm sure it works great. I made a call on the iPhone as well, nice and clear, no problem.

    I didn't call it a review BTW. Just relaying my experience. Relax.
    07-20-2007 07:27 PM
  24. mikec#IM's Avatar
    :hmm:

    hey, would you believe this? guess who i found "trolling" around the "Phone Different" site:



    and yet another
    Not trolling; making relevant posts.

    Again, what makes you so mad at the world?
    07-20-2007 07:47 PM
  25. braj's Avatar
    :hmm:

    hey, would you believe this? guess who i found "trolling" around the "Phone Different" site:



    and yet another
    How was my post in any way a troll? Are you insane?
    07-20-2007 08:03 PM
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