1. CountBuggula's Avatar
    introduced in 2002-2003....it's now 2007.

    5yrs of evolution

    shall we play your version of copying and pasting threads related to its revolutionary bugs that still continue to appear in newer releases?

    would be pretty silly, wouldn't it...

    <snicker>
    No need, as there's already another forum just for that topic, and it would be considered off topic here. You want to go bash the WM users in their forum though, go right ahead.
    07-19-2007 07:51 PM
  2. oalvarez's Avatar
    "no need"

    didn't think so.
    07-19-2007 07:53 PM
  3. JackNaylorPE's Avatar
    Jack, your assumption that the people who bought the iPhone do not care about the missing features are unwarranted. The people who queued up for the iPhone are the same people posting on the forums, and they want their custom ring tones. They are also sure Apple will provide.
    Don't put words in my mouth. A person not caring enough about ringtones when he bought an iPhone that he still went ahead and bought it.....or didn't bring it back when he found out....is certainly not going to be upset that Apple will provide updates. Most vendors want to keep their customers happy and will do what is economically justifiable to keep them happy.

    What I was saying is that just because the absence of ringtones is important to you and would affect your purchase decision, many people are not so interested in "fluff". We don't allow ringtones on business phones. We consider it disruptive and unprofessional. I welcome the policy, ... I have the same rule at home....my kids want long, loud, annoying things they can go find another roof to live under and annoy the begeezes outta those people.

    Heck, I'd welcome alotta things on my 650....but I'm not running out to replace it cause those features are not not there. The POINT is I am still using it despite those things because their absence is not signiifcant enough to change my decision on what tool i want to use.

    The question is not whether they care enough at all, it is whether they care enough not to buy ? Going back to the "deli wars"...

    Surur: "Hey my deli now offers cole slaw free with ya sandwich, bet ya think ya deli sux now"

    Jack: "Well I do like cole slaw but I ain't givin up better coldcuts, better bread and getting my sandwich in half the time to get it."

    Surur: "Oh yeah, well some of your deli's customers are complainin and your deli owner said he gonna start offering cole slaw next week so even ya deli owner must think he sux"

    Jack: "Well that's all fine and good, I'll take the free cole salw if and when it arrives but it is certainly not gonna matter one way or the other which deli I choose...... better coldcuts, better bread and waiting half the time is still the key to my purchase decision."
    07-19-2007 08:08 PM
  4. JackNaylorPE's Avatar
    Here's a good one - the iPhone only stores a certain number of text messages, .......
    What was that you were saying about long posts ?
    07-19-2007 08:12 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    What was that you were saying about long posts ?
    In fact, my post is only 2 lines long. That other guy's post is rather interesting however.

    Re ringtones - you are still missing the point - its not that they do not care enough about ringtones, they "know" the device will get it soon. It had no influence in their buying decision because They Just Know...

    Surur
    07-19-2007 08:19 PM
  6. Malatesta's Avatar
    "no need"

    didn't think so.
    We already had that thread, b/c of people like yourself didn't like this one: here.

    Obviously it didn't attract much attention and died, oh well.

    Surur actually answered your post even though we all knew it was a setup on your part, so you could just go <snicker>.

    I'm still not sure what any of this has to do with this thread though...
    07-19-2007 08:48 PM
  7. oalvarez's Avatar
    why a setup? (this question could be a setup too, so watch out!)

    most all of the posts have nothing to do with this thread. where have you been?

    nice try, Mal.
    07-19-2007 09:17 PM
  8. Malatesta's Avatar
    why a setup? (this question could be a setup too, so watch out!)

    most all of the posts have nothing to do with this thread. where have you been?

    nice try, Mal.
    Because it was a dishonest question and you know that.

    You were not really interested in what Surur had to say, you just wanted

    (a) him not to respond so you can call him un-even and cannot critique WM at all, ergo his iPhone critiques must be wrong too

    (b) him to respond so that you can go "har har, WM sucks too and they've been at it longer"

    It was not meant to engage in a serious debate or for you to go "ahhh...you make a good point, dear sir".

    Your other argument, the "everyone else is doing it, why can't I?!" really reflects your mentality.

    Fact is, llarson, yourself and Jack keep throwing this thread off. You know it, but you do it anyways.

    You consistently lack the ambition, need or capability to actually make coherent arguments.
    07-19-2007 09:59 PM
  9. braj's Avatar
    You consistently lack the ambition, need or capability to actually make coherent arguments.
    Hear, hear! Although I think surur is maladjusted when it comes to Apple he at least makes coherent arguments, oalvarez is just trolling.
    07-19-2007 10:06 PM
  10. oalvarez's Avatar
    Because it was a dishonest question and you know that.

    You were not really interested in what Surur had to say, you just wanted

    (a) him not to respond so you can call him un-even and cannot critique WM at all, ergo his iPhone critiques must be wrong too

    (b) him to respond so that you can go "har har, WM sucks too and they've been at it longer"

    It was not meant to engage in a serious debate or for you to go "ahhh...you make a good point, dear sir".

    Your other argument, the "everyone else is doing it, why can't I?!" really reflects your mentality.

    Fact is, llarson, yourself and Jack keep throwing this thread off. You know it, but you do it anyways.

    You consistently lack the ambition, need or capability to actually make coherent arguments.
    nice try, Mal.

    i understand how it might be difficult for you to be labeled as wrong from time to time.

    argument about "everyone else is doing it?" there you go again, switching it up while putting words in other's mouths.

    "throwing this thread off?" oh yes, the original post/poster's comments were so full of insight and direction, so very thought provoking and the like. what a frickin joke.

    i don't have an ambition to argue with you, i just like to laugh at your statements. you are a legend in your own mind, you talk a big game.

    "throwing this thread off"

    HILARIOUS!!! i'm actually laughing!
    07-19-2007 10:21 PM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Jack,
    Chat is not blocked at a lot of businesses. Just because you company blocks it, it doesn't matter?

    Maybe you company should block TC forum access, as you waste a lot of company time and resources here.

    And the deli comparison, that was just plain retarded.

    oalveraz still trolling? After he said he was leaving...oh, that's right, dishonest is his style, so I should not be surprised.

    At least Archie knew when to move on.
    07-19-2007 10:40 PM
  12. oalvarez's Avatar
    MikeC....do you troll? i see just about everyone's name in this thread littered throughout TreoCentral. c'mon now.

    as far as retarded goes, you should really read some of your own stuff, it's superb. and now you label me dishonest. hey, i wouldn't expect anything more from you, how could anyone, it would be hard to.

    nice try, Mikec
    07-19-2007 10:47 PM
  13. braj's Avatar
    MikeC....do you troll? i see just about everyone's name in this thread littered throughout TreoCentral. c'mon now.
    Posting and trolling are not the same thing.
    07-19-2007 11:09 PM
  14. oalvarez's Avatar
    hey, whatever you say. afterall, that's all that matters to you.
    07-19-2007 11:41 PM
  15. jlczl's Avatar
    I currently carry 2 phones (both WM). One is for work and the other for personal use. I'm considering getting an iPhone since I'll still keep at least one WM phone that will have the functionallity I need. I know it's overpriced but I really like the iPhone's sleek look and browser. Jeez, if only the iPhone had WM guts it would be a no-brainer. What do you guys think?
    07-19-2007 11:53 PM
  16. Slingbox's Avatar
    hey, whatever you say. after-all, that's all that matters to you.
    no no no...oalvarez it shouldn't be that way.You are the king of TC and very well looked up to.You have started some outstanding threads I must say.
    You care about about what everyone else thinks. You've been taking members down for a long time and it should never stop
    Your the best troll around :bow: :bow: :bow:

    Phil C
    07-20-2007 12:01 AM
  17. Malatesta's Avatar
    argument about "everyone else is doing it?" there you go again, switching it up while putting words in other's mouths.
    Oh I'm sorry, did you not say:
    most all of the posts have nothing to do with this thread. where have you been?
    What pray tell does this mean if not "everyone else is doing it"? Yes, I did what is called a paraphrase. If you have another gloss of your statement or would like to mention the reason you wrote in the first place, I'm all ears.
    "throwing this thread off?" oh yes, the original post/poster's comments were so full of insight and direction, so very thought provoking and the like. what a frickin joke.
    Right, so your argument is this:

    (1) Everyone else is off topic, therefore...
    a. I can post elsewhere
    b. thread crap

    You consistently choose (1b) every time.

    (2) This thread's topic is: Stupid/silly/not deep enough for me, therefore
    a. I can post elsewhere
    b. thread crap

    You choose (2b) every time. Great arguments. Also nice how you stopped defending your dishonest question to Surur, which was nothing more than an attempt to flame.

    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: You're so above it all, aren't you?

    This from the guy who professes his disdain for Palm and everything Treo, who supposedly owns an iPhone, who insistently posts here at Trecentral.com despite no one agreeing with him and who feigns shock that people here disagree with his "posts" which are as vacuous as his arguments...

    Yes, the honorable oalvarez.

    Now I cede the floor to Surur, to continue posting those great quotes from irritated iPhone users, so we may continue to gloat (and aggravate oalvarez).
    07-20-2007 12:37 AM
  18. bruckwine's Avatar
    Don't put words in my mouth. A person not caring enough about ringtones when he bought an iPhone that he still went ahead and bought it.....or didn't bring it back when he found out....is certainly not going to be upset that Apple will provide updates. Most vendors want to keep their customers happy and will do what is economically justifiable to keep them happy.

    What I was saying is that just because the absence of ringtones is important to you and would affect your purchase decision, many people are not so interested in "fluff". We don't allow ringtones on business phones. We consider it disruptive and unprofessional. I welcome the policy, ... I have the same rule at home....my kids want long, loud, annoying things they can go find another roof to live under and annoy the begeezes outta those people.

    Heck, I'd welcome alotta things on my 650....but I'm not running out to replace it cause those features are not not there. The POINT is I am still using it despite those things because their absence is not signiifcant enough to change my decision on what tool i want to use.

    The question is not whether they care enough at all, it is whether they care enough not to buy ? Going back to the "deli wars"...

    Surur: "Hey my deli now offers cole slaw free with ya sandwich, bet ya think ya deli sux now"

    Jack: "Well I do like cole slaw but I ain't givin up better coldcuts, better bread and getting my sandwich in half the time to get it."

    Surur: "Oh yeah, well some of your deli's customers are complainin and your deli owner said he gonna start offering cole slaw next week so even ya deli owner must think he sux"

    Jack: "Well that's all fine and good, I'll take the free cole salw if and when it arrives but it is certainly not gonna matter one way or the other which deli I choose...... better coldcuts, better bread and waiting half the time is still the key to my purchase decision."
    Aargh! Stop with the deli analogies already! If what you're saying makes sense there's no need to waste additional screen space with a meat lover's fantasy!
    07-20-2007 06:28 AM
  19. bruckwine's Avatar
    I currently carry 2 phones (both WM). One is for work and the other for personal use. I'm considering getting an iPhone since I'll still keep at least one WM phone that will have the functionallity I need. I know it's overpriced but I really like the iPhone's sleek look and browser. Jeez, if only the iPhone had WM guts it would be a no-brainer. What do you guys think?
    Don't know about WM as my 680 uses POS..but what I'd like every smartphone to get is the quick transition between apps that the iPhone seems to have (and this is of course due to processor speed and RAM - we need upgrades from the current chips).

    The Mobile OSX says it multitaks but that's really unnecessary imo on a phone - as long as the ransitions between apps are quick. And actually judging from some recent mac forum comments it really just stores the data in each app (i.e. suspends it) until you return to it (ppl have seen downloads and email fetching pause as they switch apps on the iPhone). POS does this already but depending on how complex the program is it can take 4 secs of white screen. SO improving the OS to get almost instantaneous transitions via better memory processing etc will do fine for me. Of course new snazzy graphics like Beryl/Compiz onb a treo won't hurt at all either, but I think the app-switching is more attracctive on the iPhone than the apps.

    Anyway it still sucks in it's current locked & limited incarnation (just going back on topic you understand? )
    07-20-2007 06:48 AM
  20. surur's Avatar
    The main reason to get the iPhone.


    yeah i do ;]

    but how would i go to get iphone working? cause ialready have a phone i just wanna add data plan so i can have internet

    i saw activation video but i never saw how to pay just $20

    also will iphone support all flash sites within the next month or 2?!@!@

    there won't be any activation fee for you, and if you are like me and had AT&T internet and Home phone, then adding a cell phone is easy, and will actually get you a discount!

    also on being woth it, you may consider this...right now the IPhone is at an all time high for WOW factor. EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE wants to see it when I have mine on. Total strangers stop me and ask about it. I haven't gotten this much attention over a phone since my old I95 limited...now there was an attention getting phone! Modded up with matching lightup battery and custome mp3 ringtones, man it was a lady catcher! BUT the IPhone has surpased even that!! So if you like being the new guy with the latest gadgets, and love the attention, then that is just another reason to get the IPhone.
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1205403



    Surur
    07-20-2007 07:56 AM
  21. oalvarez's Avatar
    despite no one agreeing with him
    quite the contrary; most disappointed, ex-Treo users around here who have moved on to other devices think very much the same.

    what is most interesting is how everyone else only sees it one way.....their way.
    07-20-2007 08:16 AM
  22. Dim-Ize's Avatar
    ...what is most interesting is how everyone else only sees it one way.....their way.
    Please don't speak for me.

    I happen to have been at the fork in the road with many phone / OS decisions - and found the information of others in this forum invaluable.
    07-20-2007 09:31 AM
  23. whmurray's Avatar
    Apple stock just hit another new high. It is up 17% since the iPhone became available in spite of this thread.
    07-20-2007 09:52 AM
  24. surur's Avatar
    Apple stock just hit another new high. It is up 17% since the iPhone became available in spite of this thread.
    OMG We need to make this thread longer straight away!!!! At least 17%!!!111!!!



    Surur
    07-20-2007 09:58 AM
  25. mikec#IM's Avatar
    MikeC....do you troll? i see just about everyone's name in this thread littered throughout TreoCentral. c'mon now.

    as far as retarded goes, you should really read some of your own stuff, it's superb. and now you label me dishonest. hey, i wouldn't expect anything more from you, how could anyone, it would be hard to.

    nice try, Mikec
    Ollie,

    I think the majority of active people in this thead have made up thier minds on your posts....and again, you said you were leaving. Now you come back, to troll-e-o-e-o. Dishonest in your intentions.
    07-20-2007 10:15 AM
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