1. zeze22's Avatar
    You know Microsoft-watch is actually like enron-watch? You know, not exactly friendly?

    I have refrained in the main from posting blog articles, as I dont see them as real users, but rather people trying to grandstand. I have a few however that may tickle your fancy. Just ask.

    Surur
    I have actually warmed up to many of the criticisms of the device, and do believe that many users refuse to admit to them.

    I am keeping it and love the aspects of the iphone work well. I hope I am not foolish in waiting for a very serious and comprehensive upgrade. It will be to ebay at a loss (and on to a Blackberry or Nokia) if the next upgrade doesnt include a file system, streaming internet, customizable email and a more versatile calendar app (as in, detailed week view at very least). Automatic OTA syncing of calendars/contacts/email/bookmarks to .mac will be a very well-loved bonus.
    07-17-2007 12:47 PM
  2. zeze22's Avatar
    Sorry for the typo....
    You are rully, rully forgiven.
    07-17-2007 12:48 PM
  3. whmurray's Avatar
    That's just speculation. The Palm commercial software is a testament that there is a market for mobile applications. And seeing that the iPhone charts new ground with UI there are lots of compelling uses for 3rd party apps. Especially considering the iPhone didn't ship with an astoundingly large number of native apps.
    God knows I have paid for my share of third party apps. I was surprised at how many of them I could replace from the web, once freed from Blazer.

    I do not intend to retire my Treo 650 just because I have an iPhone but the only application that I can do on my Treo that I cannot do on my iPhone is ebooks. Since I no longer buy paper books and read only on my Treo, that is a very important application.
    07-17-2007 01:01 PM
  4. whmurray's Avatar
    The need for mobile, internet enabled apps on Palm OS is driven by the fact that Blazer sucks. My most used apps on my 650 were single purpose apps like DA, flightstatus, etc. I don't need apps like that because i have a real browser now. Not only that, but Safari on my iPhone loads full webpages faster than blazer could load the mobile version of the same page.
    I concur and confirm. Which reminds me, I need to find and bookmark the web page to subsitute for the Metro NYC subway navigator.
    07-17-2007 01:10 PM
  5. braj's Avatar
    God knows I have paid for my share of third party apps. I was surprised at how many of them I could replace from the web, once freed from Blazer.

    I do not intend to retire my Treo 650 just because I have an iPhone but the only application that I can do on my Treo that I cannot do on my iPhone is ebooks. Since I no longer buy paper books and read only on my Treo, that is a very important application.
    I'd need at least an upgrade to the calendar app, and the very fact you would keep that tiny Treo screen to read ebooks is absurd when you have that big, beautiful iPhone screen that should be able to display ebooks wonderfully but doesn't. If the apps that were included were comprehensive and complete (and far more numerous) I'd have less concerns, but I'd still want the ability to shop around for applications that work the way I want them to, with the features I want. And there is no good reason why this can't be done on an iPhone.

    Besides that, how will you use your web apps on a plane? I guess you won't.
    07-17-2007 01:24 PM
  6. surur's Avatar
    While no one is saying the Web 2.0 programs will have the breadth and depth of what we have on the Treo, lets remember that the market for Treos is only 500,000 a year. Four outta five peeps using phones in my family won't take a Treo or anything like it for free simply because it's "way more than they need or want". There's just not that many programs that a regular joe / jane would want or need that can't be replaced by Web 2.0
    Its funny that you are so obsessed with the significance of iPhone sales, when you dont even know how Treo's are selling.

    FYI in the last 12 months around 2.5 million Treo's were sold to consumers. A bit more than 500 000. I guess 5 times more people than you thought thinks the Treo comes close to what they want, and some of those probably want it to do even more.

    Surur
    07-17-2007 01:51 PM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Its funny that you are so obsessed with the significance of iPhone sales, when you dont even know how Treo's are selling.

    FYI in the last 12 months around 2.5 million Treo's were sold to consumers. A bit more than 500 000. I guess 5 times more people than you thought thinks the Treo comes close to what they want, and some of those probably want it to do even more.

    Surur
    Jack, you've been pwned.
    07-17-2007 04:17 PM
  8. braj's Avatar
    Do people just make up numbers? It surely is impressive that the iPhone did 1/5 of Palm's whole business in one weekend, why the need to exaggerate past that? It will be interesting to see how long it takes Apple to sell 2.5 million iPhones.
    07-17-2007 04:22 PM
  9. CountBuggula's Avatar
    Jack, you've been pwned.
    Are you keeping a running tally of pwnage in this thread? Where's the scoreboard?
    07-17-2007 04:23 PM
  10. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Are you keeping a running tally of pwnage in this thread? Where's the scoreboard?
    Not keeping score, but always interesting to see when people spout one thing, then get ka-powed with the facts.
    07-17-2007 04:26 PM
  11. taylorh's Avatar
    I don't think it's fair to compare 12 months of Treo sales with 5 days of iPhone sales.
    Apple's forecast is $7 Billion in revenue from iPhone sales in 2007. And $15 Billion in 2008.
    07-17-2007 04:42 PM
  12. braj's Avatar
    I don't think it's fair to compare 12 months of Treo sales with 5 days of iPhone sales.
    Apple's forecast is $7 Billion in revenue from iPhone sales in 2007. And $15 Billion in 2008.
    Who is comparing them in a way that is unfair? I don't get what you thing was wrong. No one was directly comparing iPhone sales and Treo sales in total based on two different time frames. I was just saying that Apple had such a huge launch and it will be interesting to see how that pans out for a yearly total. Some movies for instance have great launches and great runs, while others have great launches and then die. Which will it be? I'm sure it won't die but will it reach Apple's projections with such a hefty price and lots of limitations? Launches are exciting, 6 months after launch is less so. iPhone 2.0 launch won't be as huge as 1.0
    07-17-2007 05:11 PM
  13. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I don't think it's fair to compare 12 months of Treo sales with 5 days of iPhone sales.
    Apple's forecast is $7 Billion in revenue from iPhone sales in 2007. And $15 Billion in 2008.
    Where are you pulling these number from?

    $7B in iPhones sales in 2007?...that's about 11M iPhones.


    I can pretty much guaran-effing-tee you that is not going to happen this year.

    And about 25M iPhones sold in 2008? Hmm...

    Now if they are including the cut of service fees from AT&T, Vodafone/T-Mobile, etc., maybe that juices it a bit...but those number seem awful high.

    Even the speculators are saying less:

    http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/40856
    07-17-2007 05:16 PM
  14. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Who is comparing them in a way that is unfair? I don't get what you thing was wrong. No one was directly comparing iPhone sales and Treo sales in total based on two different time frames. I was just saying that Apple had such a huge launch and it will be interesting to see how that pans out for a yearly total. Some movies for instance have great launches and great runs, while others have great launches and then die. Which will it be? I'm sure it won't die but will it reach Apple's projections with such a hefty price and lots of limitations? Launches are exciting, 6 months after launch is less so. iPhone 2.0 launch won't be as huge as 1.0
    Duuuuudee! You need faith in jPhone 2.0! It will be the gPhone, as god is even greater than Jesus.
    07-17-2007 05:17 PM
  15. surur's Avatar
    I don't think it's fair to compare 12 months of Treo sales with 5 days of iPhone sales.
    Apple's forecast is $7 Billion in revenue from iPhone sales in 2007. And $15 Billion in 2008.
    Its a comparison Jack made, who claimed the iPhone sold more in a weekend than any other device on the planet in a year.

    The iPhone has outsold any other device on the planet in a weekend.
    Thats the effect of the RDF in action.

    Surur
    07-17-2007 05:20 PM
  16. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Its a comparison Jack made, who claimed the iPhone sold more in a weekend than any other device on the planet in a year.



    Thats the effect of the RDF in action.

    Surur
    If you say it, they will believe....

    These aren't the droids you're looking for...
    07-17-2007 05:26 PM
  17. braj's Avatar
    Duuuuudee! You need faith in jPhone 2.0! It will be the gPhone, as god is even greater than Jesus.
    I though Jesus and God were one and the same? I dunno, I'm Hindu.
    07-17-2007 05:32 PM
  18. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I though Jesus and God were one and the same? I dunno, I'm Hindu.
    Father, son, holy spirit. Three in One

    Sorta like:

    http://www.amazon.com/Polder-937-90-...mUvbUpU1310980

    I suppose it could be the gPhone, as in Ganesha.
    07-17-2007 05:41 PM
  19. Felipe#WP's Avatar
    07-17-2007 07:53 PM
  20. bruckwine's Avatar
    Maddox again
    07-17-2007 08:10 PM
  21. braj's Avatar
    God that was funny Even if you like the iPhone you have to appreciate that.
    07-17-2007 11:03 PM
  22. CountBuggula's Avatar
    Wow that kept me entertained for several hours. I don't care who you are that's funny.
    07-17-2007 11:31 PM
  23. surur's Avatar
    It makes me laugh to think that screen probably has a higher dpi than the much vaunted 160 dpi iPhone screen.

    I sure miss Archie...

    Surur
    07-18-2007 02:25 AM
  24. CountBuggula's Avatar
    It makes me laugh to think that screen probably has a higher dpi than the much vaunted 160 dpi iPhone screen.

    I sure miss Archie...

    Surur
    He uh...hasn't been around since someone accused him of having Downs or something. Which means:

    A) He's been offended and never wants to post here again

    B) Someone hit too close to the mark and now he's too embarrassed to post here

    C) He's hiding out in the PhoneDifferent forums

    D) All of the above
    07-18-2007 11:08 AM
  25. surur's Avatar
    He uh...hasn't been around since someone accused him of having Downs or something. Which means:

    A) He's been offended and never wants to post here again

    B) Someone hit too close to the mark and now he's too embarrassed to post here

    C) He's hiding out in the PhoneDifferent forums

    D) All of the above


    Surur
    07-18-2007 11:13 AM
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