1. mikec#IM's Avatar
    All I can say is see:

    http://www.systemshootouts.org/shoot...09_dt3200.html

    http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/feat...rice/index.php

    http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33576

    The machines aren’t identical each has a few advantages but I think they’re fairly comparable in terms of the needs of a power user.

    Come on guys this is the oldest Mac vs. Windows argument ever. How it ties into the iPHONE I am not sure except a lot of the people here hate anything Apple.
    You get pwned, and don't have the decency to own up to it....rather you change the subject/dismiss it?

    And as I have said before, I likely own more Apple products than anyone here...
    07-16-2007 06:18 PM
  2. mikec#IM's Avatar
    And as another great American said,

    “Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.”

    Steve Jobs:thumbsup:


    "Limey?" What's with the bigotted remark, llarsen?

    Brits/Scots/Irish are great brother of this nation.

    Next you'll be using the the N-word.






    (Newton)
    ;-)
    07-16-2007 06:20 PM
  3. mikec#IM's Avatar
    The word toy has been used to describe the iPHONE and those who use it in a demeaning way.

    Many here have equated the purchase of the iPHONE to the purchase of a "Tickel Me Elmo" and those who bought the iPHONE as children who took it in the A** and are simple morons for making such an absurd purchase.

    From your post you seem to have the means to buy several rather expensive smartphones as well as the iPHONE.

    By many on this forum your purchase of the iPHONE marks you as a less then intelligent consumer and person.

    The opinions of those who say this doesn't really offend me but to see it time after time and gets in the way of the reason for this thread and is tiresome.
    Again, you read too much into my Elmo comment - amazing.
    07-16-2007 06:22 PM
  4. mikec#IM's Avatar
    My son heard it first flipping the channels on the TV cable box on one of those geek technology shows and told me about it.

    looking at Yahoo now, this is the 1st hit I got

    http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007...llion-iphones/

    "This news comes from a full-time staffer in ATT Mobilty’s Commerce Group who chose to remain anonymous.

    It's tough to get any "solid documented" info like from peeps willing to go on record since publishing such might not be in company's best interests....like WM versus palm OS Treo shipments....Palm refuses to answer. For example it's indicated on the same site that Apple's agreement with Euro carriers requires them to ship in Europe once they reach 1 million sales here. That may be a bit more than apple can handle and may wish to dance a few days before initiating that step.

    However, one can usually judge the validity of "unnamed sources" by the outcry of counter claims. To me the lack of anyone jumping up to say "No, it's not true leads me to believe that most believe it is. I wouldn't bet the ranch on it, especially with the anti apple fervor, but the lack of pundits willing to go on record as saying it's not true apparently has them convinced also.

    I note that Apple store still says 2-4 weeks and the 4 stores here all have no stock and huge waiting lists that are not really waitings list as "no reserving".

    um....so the answer is no, there is no supporting evidence.

    And what kind of logic is that statement "one can usually judge the validity of "unnamed sources" by the outcry of counter claims"?

    That is rediculous.

    I'm not saying they didn't sell a lot - I just expect something to back it up from a reputbale source.
    07-16-2007 06:24 PM
  5. mikec#IM's Avatar
    No to slam people who buy them.

    Lets talk about the iPHONE and its faults thats what I come here for.

    But many others like Mikec and CountChocula like to slam the people who own them and seem to have little to say on the phone itself.
    I have actually said quite a bit about the iPhone. Me think ye memory is selective.
    07-16-2007 06:25 PM
  6. zeze22's Avatar
    I have actually said quite a bit about the iPhone. Me think ye memory is selective.
    .... acttually, its "methinks." (st least it was 400 years ago)

    Seriously, despite the utter disintegration of this thread into sheer madness, I feel inclined to post the following link from Microsoft Watch, wherein the knight Quixote surveys the dry AndaLusian landscape and locates a steed to replace the fine mount, Rocinante, and declares the poweful steed "iPhone":

    http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conte..._my_phone.html
    07-16-2007 07:39 PM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    .... acttually, its "methinks." (st least it was 400 years ago)

    Seriously, despite the utter disintegration of this thread into sheer madness, I feel inclined to post the following link from Microsoft Watch, wherein the knight Quixote surveys the dry AndaLusian landscape and locates a steed to replace the fine mount, Rocinante, and declares the poweful steed "iPhone":

    http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conte..._my_phone.html
    Me "think different!"
    07-16-2007 07:56 PM
  8. Slingbox's Avatar
    What they need to do is a tPhone compared to iPhone survey and review.The tPhone has alot of good things happening that apple should of added lol lol
    It's funny but true.
    07-16-2007 08:02 PM
  9. surur's Avatar
    .... acttually, its "methinks." (st least it was 400 years ago)

    Seriously, despite the utter disintegration of this thread into sheer madness, I feel inclined to post the following link from Microsoft Watch, wherein the knight Quixote surveys the dry AndaLusian landscape and locates a steed to replace the fine mount, Rocinante, and declares the poweful steed "iPhone":

    http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conte..._my_phone.html
    You know Microsoft-watch is actually like enron-watch? You know, not exactly friendly?

    I have refrained in the main from posting blog articles, as I dont see them as real users, but rather people trying to grandstand. I have a few however that may tickle your fancy. Just ask.

    Surur
    07-17-2007 02:49 AM
  10. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    You know Microsoft-watch is actually like enron-watch? You know, not exactly friendly?
    But ironically, their website doesn't format correctly in Firefox, but it does format well in Internet Explorer. They're probably using Front Page to build that site!
    07-17-2007 06:25 AM
  11. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    Questions,
    2)How much does it cost for handset protection for the iphone?
    I have mine insured the same way my 650 was, through my insurance company for about a third what people pay to have their phone insured through their service providers.

    What laptop that's less than 5 years old hasn't shipped with internal WiFi? Just in case that's not clear enough, yes to the first question. Can be configured with 802.11a/g/n. The screen size is 17" 1900x1200. Software: Microsoft Works but can be customized with whatever flavor of Office you want. Plus a bunch of other bundles stuff like CD burning software, etc. Anyways, you can check it all out yourself right here. I'm pretty sure that's the laptop he was referring to.
    Apple products definitely cost more upfront, but TCO has been shown to be less. Less need for tech support, longer life and better resale value are all contributing factors. My 6 year old Mac still runs the newest version of Photoshop, OS X, and many other power apps. It's a dual 1GHz G4 and it's still running along just fine doing exactly what i need it to. It seems that OS upgrades don’t bring with them the increase in overhead that is seen on the Windows side. Find me a 6 year old windows box that initially cost about $3500 thats running Vista and that could still be resold for somewhere around $900 and we'll have a fair comparison. But that’s all way off topic at this point.

    as I dont see them as real users, but rather people trying to grandstand.
    07-17-2007 08:25 AM
  12. whmurray's Avatar
    Would be funny to see WM 6 on the iPHONE.

    And you thought Apple was crazy for locking the phone. All part of the plan, Lock phone tempt hackers, Hackers make new programs, Apple saves money in R&D, people get what they want from hackers, Apple makes $$$$.
    Too clever by half.
    07-17-2007 09:42 AM
  13. JackNaylorPE's Avatar
    That is rediculous.
    What does rediculous mean ?

    If you meant ridiculous, it is by no means so. Look at every initial announcement by Engadget and the like with regard to a product release and it's based upon a leak from an anonymous someone. Many are met with formal announcements to the contrary. When there's no fanfare against, they are right far more often than they are wrong. So, history does not support your position. And walk into an AT&T store, my son has been stopping in occasionally waiting for one to show up. He was told 1.25 million activations so far....not counting on line orders waiting to ship.
    07-17-2007 11:12 AM
  14. JackNaylorPE's Avatar
    Seriously, despite the utter disintegration of this thread into sheer madness, I feel inclined to post the following link from Microsoft Watch, wherein the knight Quixote surveys the dry AndaLusian landscape and locates a steed to replace the fine mount, Rocinante, and declares the poweful steed "iPhone":

    http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conte..._my_phone.html
    Did ya notice.....

    "That said, I've also changed my charging habits. I run the batter done to zero, as I would with an iPod, before recharging it in the hope of extending the battery life."

    That matches the instructions in my laptop manual only the laptop calls for the procedure to be done only monthly.
    07-17-2007 11:18 AM
  15. JackNaylorPE's Avatar
    Seriously, I want the freedom to do what I want with my device. This is my one issue with the iPhone. Give me Liberty or give me a Treo! This really does fit into the net neutrality issue and Apple and ATT controlling what you can do with your device beyond it's own technical limitations is not the direction I want to see mobile computing head.
    http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/11/apple...pps-for-iphone

    The statement that the iPhone can not have 3rd party apps is not true. It will be able to run 3rd party Web 2.0 based apps. Will that is still a restriction, I find that most of the programs I have on my Treo can now be replaced by even simple web pages.

    TipPro on the Treo replaced by http://www.onlineconversion.com/tip_calculator.htm

    Directory Assistant Replaced by:
    www.yellowpages.com / www.white pages.com

    While no one is saying the Web 2.0 programs will have the breadth and depth of what we have on the Treo, lets remember that the market for Treos is only 500,000 a year. Four outta five peeps using phones in my family won't take a Treo or anything like it for free simply because it's "way more than they need or want". There's just not that many programs that a regular joe / jane would want or need that can't be replaced by Web 2.0
    07-17-2007 11:36 AM
  16. mikec#IM's Avatar
    What does rediculous mean ?

    If you meant ridiculous, it is by no means so. Look at every initial announcement by Engadget and the like with regard to a product release and it's based upon a leak from an anonymous someone. Many are met with formal announcements to the contrary. When there's no fanfare against, they are right far more often than they are wrong. So, history does not support your position. And walk into an AT&T store, my son has been stopping in occasionally waiting for one to show up. He was told 1.25 million activations so far....not counting on line orders waiting to ship.
    Maybe I should have used the word "specious" rather than ridiculous.

    The absence of contrary claims does not make something true.

    If 1.25M iPhones have been activated, not including those ordered online - meaning that 1.25M were bought through stores - I'd say there is something afoot....being told by a wonk at AT&T Store is hardly ironclad.

    I'm not saying that thay have not sold that many, but that I find a.) the lack of iPhones in the wild, and b.) the lack of confirmed statements from Apple (who is not shy with their numbers) makes me want more evidence.
    07-17-2007 11:58 AM
  17. braj's Avatar
    http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/11/apple...pps-for-iphone

    The statement that the iPhone can not have 3rd party apps is not true. It will be able to run 3rd party Web 2.0 based apps. Will that is still a restriction, I find that most of the programs I have on my Treo can now be replaced by even simple web pages.

    TipPro on the Treo replaced by http://www.onlineconversion.com/tip_calculator.htm

    Directory Assistant Replaced by:
    www.yellowpages.com / www.white pages.com

    While no one is saying the Web 2.0 programs will have the breadth and depth of what we have on the Treo, lets remember that the market for Treos is only 500,000 a year. Four outta five peeps using phones in my family won't take a Treo or anything like it for free simply because it's "way more than they need or want". There's just not that many programs that a regular joe / jane would want or need that can't be replaced by Web 2.0
    That's just speculation. The Palm commercial software is a testament that there is a market for mobile applications. And seeing that the iPhone charts new ground with UI there are lots of compelling uses for 3rd party apps. Especially considering the iPhone didn't ship with an astoundingly large number of native apps.
    07-17-2007 12:07 PM
  18. mikec#IM's Avatar
    http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/11/apple...pps-for-iphone

    The statement that the iPhone can not have 3rd party apps is not true. It will be able to run 3rd party Web 2.0 based apps. Will that is still a restriction, I find that most of the programs I have on my Treo can now be replaced by even simple web pages.

    TipPro on the Treo replaced by http://www.onlineconversion.com/tip_calculator.htm

    Directory Assistant Replaced by:
    www.yellowpages.com / www.white pages.com

    While no one is saying the Web 2.0 programs will have the breadth and depth of what we have on the Treo, lets remember that the market for Treos is only 500,000 a year. Four outta five peeps using phones in my family won't take a Treo or anything like it for free simply because it's "way more than they need or want". There's just not that many programs that a regular joe / jane would want or need that can't be replaced by Web 2.0
    "Web 2.0 apps" Spin of the year.

    It's a web page with some plugins, extentions, javascript, ajax, etc.

    3rd party apps have long been understood to be client apps, utilizing a published SDK (or API).

    I'm not saying web apps aren't importants, and will not grow.

    But, there are certain apps on mobile devices that should be local, as it addresses the connectionless nature of the web.

    - Email (unless you used web based mail exclusively)
    - Chat (Sorry, Meebo and the others won't cut it)
    - PIMs (Agendus and the like)
    - Document viewers/editors

    It's the combination of the client app and the web that makes things powerful on the device.

    Unless you can have guaranteed connections and high speeds, the "web as platform" paradign only goes so far.
    07-17-2007 12:08 PM
  19. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    That's just speculation. The Palm commercial software is a testament that there is a market for mobile applications. And seeing that the iPhone charts new ground with UI there are lots of compelling uses for 3rd party apps. Especially considering the iPhone didn't ship with an astoundingly large number of native apps.
    The need for mobile, internet enabled apps on Palm OS is driven by the fact that Blazer sucks. My most used apps on my 650 were single purpose apps like DA, flightstatus, etc. I don't need apps like that because i have a real browser now. Not only that, but Safari on my iPhone loads full webpages faster than blazer could load the mobile version of the same page.
    07-17-2007 12:12 PM
  20. CountBuggula's Avatar
    Are you guys seriously trying to argue the whole "any application I run on my Treo can be run off of the web" thing? We've been through this already, and I'm too tired to explain it again. Just read the thread. There's plenty that we can do on a treo that could never be reproduced in a web app.
    07-17-2007 12:34 PM
  21. zeze22's Avatar
    You know Microsoft-watch is actually like enron-watch? You know, not exactly friendly?

    I have refrained in the main from posting blog articles, as I dont see them as real users, but rather people trying to grandstand. I have a few however that may tickle your fancy. Just ask.

    Surur
    Aaah. No. Disregard the horse thing, then. Still, people seem to like the (thus incomplete, admittedly) iPhone.
    07-17-2007 12:38 PM
  22. zeze22's Avatar
    Did ya notice.....

    "That said, I've also changed my charging habits. I run the batter done to zero, as I would with an iPod, before recharging it in the hope of extending the battery life."

    That matches the instructions in my laptop manual only the laptop calls for the procedure to be done only monthly.
    Right. Doing that actually shortens the life span of the battery, I understand.
    07-17-2007 12:40 PM
  23. zeze22's Avatar
    "Web 2.0 apps" Spin of the year.

    It's a web page with some plugins, extentions, javascript, ajax, etc.

    3rd party apps have long been understood to be client apps, utilizing a published SDK (or API).

    I'm not saying web apps aren't importants, and will not grow.

    But, there are certain apps on mobile devices that should be local, as it addresses the connectionless nature of the web.

    - Email (unless you used web based mail exclusively)
    - Chat (Sorry, Meebo and the others won't cut it)
    - PIMs (Agendus and the like)
    - Document viewers/editors

    It's the combination of the client app and the web that makes things powerful on the device.

    Unless you can have guaranteed connections and high speeds, the "web as platform" paradign only goes so far.
    I can't disagree at all with this criticism. I love the device, but it needs some serious enhancements, though not many improvements, despite the "61 bugs" thing. Minor bugs, by the way, and solid stability.
    07-17-2007 12:41 PM
  24. zeze22's Avatar
    What does rediculous mean ?

    If you meant ridiculous, it is by no means so. Look at every initial announcement by Engadget and the like with regard to a product release and it's based upon a leak from an anonymous someone. Many are met with formal announcements to the contrary. When there's no fanfare against, they are right far more often than they are wrong. So, history does not support your position. And walk into an AT&T store, my son has been stopping in occasionally waiting for one to show up. He was told 1.25 million activations so far....not counting on line orders waiting to ship.
    It's Valley-Girl for ridiculous, as in, "Oh My God, I am rully rully sorry."
    07-17-2007 12:42 PM
  25. mikec#IM's Avatar
    It's Valley-Girl for ridiculous, as in, "Oh My God, I am rully rully sorry."
    Sorry for the typo....
    07-17-2007 12:46 PM
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