1. llarson's Avatar
    Couple of problems with this theory though, I do go to "real" websites on my blackberry, and some of them take along time to load. As far as I know, they are not "compressed by the server".

    I have miss calls on my iPhone when I'm not browsing.
    ...and on my Treo when my email was downloading at the specified time.
    07-10-2007 02:33 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    Just curious Surur, what phone do you use?

    My perfect device would be a device as thin as the iphone, and with the same screen and resolution. It would need to be as reliable as a phone and email device as my old blackberry, and support 3rd party apps like windows mobile.
    I am currently actively using two devices, the HTC Touch and the HTC Universal. The touch is smaller than the iPhone, and has a QVGA screen. The HTC Universal is much larger, but has a 3.6 inch VGA screen and UMTS, and one of the best mobile keyboards.

    Come October I am buying the HTC Omni, a large but thin device with a 4 inch 800x480 screen, HSDPA and a large roomy keyboard and GPS. As you can see, I dont mind giving up ease of use (or even size) for features. Apple obviously does not develop for me.

    Surur
    07-10-2007 03:01 PM
  3. oalvarez's Avatar
    This should make Surur and Malatesta happy.

    I'm noticing an alarming occurring problem with the iPhone. On average, I think I'm missing 5 calls a day because they go straight to voicemail. If the caller decides not to leave a message, I will have no idea that they even called.

    I understand that using the EDGE network that you cannot do voice and data at the same time, but shouldn't voice take precedence? I never missed a call on my blackberry.
    to be clear, if the caller leaves a voicemail then you will have a voicemail indication (both on the phone icon and in the phone/voicemail application, regardless whether browsing or not.
    07-10-2007 03:17 PM
  4. oalvarez's Avatar
    i am surprised you carry a device that doesn't offer 3G (HTC Touch). the Universal offers tons of features and it suggests such given its large size.

    i'm happy they work for you.
    07-10-2007 03:21 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    i am surprised you carry a device that doesn't offer 3G (HTC Touch). the Universal offers tons of features and it suggests such given its large size.

    i'm happy they work for you.
    I use my Universal for note taking and tethering, and SlingBox when I am going to be somewhere boring (e.g. this weekend when I was in ER for 3 hours). Otherwise it remains in my laptop bag. I carry my Touch all the time, as its so small, and use it for music, podcasts, e-mail and PIM. All my devices sync to my hosted exchange, so it doesn't matter which device I use, they are all up to date.

    Surur
    07-10-2007 03:34 PM
  6. mobileman's Avatar
    to be clear, if the caller leaves a voicemail then you will have a voicemail indication (both on the phone icon and in the phone/voicemail application, regardless whether browsing or not.
    True, but as I said, if the caller opts not to leave a message, I will never know they called. My blackberry logs all calls. I love the iPhone, but lets face it Steve Jobs said the killer app for the iPhone is "making calls". To me, that is the one are of the phone that needs alot of work.
    07-10-2007 03:40 PM
  7. llarson's Avatar
    True, but as I said, if the caller opts not to leave a message, I will never know they called. My blackberry logs all calls. I love the iPhone, but lets face it Steve Jobs said the killer app for the iPhone is "making calls". To me, that is the one are of the phone that needs alot of work.
    What phones will do this?

    Besides the BB!
    07-10-2007 04:15 PM
  8. mobileman's Avatar
    What phones will do this?

    Besides the BB!

    Besides the blackberry? Why is the blackberry not counted?
    07-10-2007 04:20 PM
  9. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    The more Apple adds to the iPhone, the more complex it will get. Eventually, where will be the ease-of-use advantage?

    Surur
    Adding apps doesnt have to make it more complex. And no one will be forcing you to add apps. You will most likely have some standard apps, others will probably be added when the user adds them. You keep the level of simplicity you want.


    How is that not nickle-and-diming? Isn't that the definition of the term?
    They aren't charging me for any add on ability. I'm not saying it will only work with their device, just that they will want to maximize their stereo BT headset sales by releasing it at the same time. But we'll have to wait and see...
    07-10-2007 04:26 PM
  10. surur's Avatar
    Adding apps doesnt have to make it more complex. And no one will be forcing you to add apps. You will most likely have some standard apps, others will probably be added when the user adds them. You keep the level of simplicity you want.
    I said the more apps APPLE adds. You wont have the choice to add it or not. Lets look at the rumoured update.

    iChat (instant messenging program)
    custom ringtones
    iPhone file browser
    widescreen keyboard
    select/copy/paste text functionality
    better Leopard integration (i.e. drag and drop files)
    full Spotlight searching
    Exchange support for other non-IMAP protocols
    iWork
    software camera stablization system
    WiFi based file sharing (share photos, etc with other iPhones nearby)
    I can see at least 4 that will need extra icons on the home screen.

    Surur
    07-10-2007 04:39 PM
  11. llarson's Avatar
    Besides the blackberry? Why is the blackberry not counted?
    nothing against BB.
    07-10-2007 04:50 PM
  12. llarson's Avatar
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AnteL0pe View Post
    Adding apps doesnt have to make it more complex. And no one will be forcing you to add apps. You will most likely have some standard apps, others will probably be added when the user adds them. You keep the level of simplicity you want.

    I said the more apps APPLE adds. You wont have the choice to add it or not. Lets look at the rumoured update.

    Quote:
    iChat (instant messenging program)
    custom ringtones
    iPhone file browser
    widescreen keyboard
    select/copy/paste text functionality
    better Leopard integration (i.e. drag and drop files)
    full Spotlight searching
    Exchange support for other non-IMAP protocols
    iWork
    software camera stablization system
    WiFi based file sharing (share photos, etc with other iPhones nearby)


    I can see at least 4 that will need extra icons on the home screen.

    Surur
    If Apple ads these and that is a BIG IF...in your opinion Surur will the iPHONE be a better phone as a business tool and better situated to take on Palm?
    07-10-2007 04:53 PM
  13. surur's Avatar
    If Apple ads these and that is a BIG IF...in your opinion Surur will the iPHONE be a better phone as a business tool and better situated to take on Palm?
    It will fix some problems, but Apple could get 90% there simply by releasing a SDK.

    Surur
    07-10-2007 05:00 PM
  14. llarson's Avatar
    It will fix some problems, but Apple could get 90% there simply by releasing a SDK.

    Surur
    I think as you said, was it you or some one else, Apple has watched and learned from Palm and others and I think one of the lessons they learned was 3rd party apps cause problems.

    I think the iPHONE will be closed to all but hand picked and monitored developers.
    07-10-2007 05:08 PM
  15. mikec#IM's Avatar
    An SDK would go a long way to making the iPhone better.

    I still want my 3G... ;-)

    Saw my second iPhone in the wild today, btw. I asked the guy how he liked it.

    "the best iPod ever".

    What about the phone?

    "It's all right".

    What about wifi?

    (thumbs up).

    what about edge?

    (sour face).

    But overall, a happy camper.

    (he did complain about the recessed jack, but said "it's Apple, what do you expect?" (I chuckled at that).
    07-10-2007 05:12 PM
  16. surur's Avatar
    I think as you said, was it you or some one else, Apple has watched and learned from Palm and others and I think one of the lessons they learned was 3rd party apps cause problems.

    I think the iPHONE will be closed to all but hand picked and monitored developers.
    Then, for me, it will never be good enough. As we know, there are more than enough people who dont mind the lock-in. On the other hand, it seems the iPhone has already been throughly hacked, so Apple's intentions may not have much to do with it in the near future.




    One wonders if, like the PSP, hacking the device will become a mainstream activity, since the things it allows, such as custom wallpaper and ring tones, are pretty mainstream also.

    Surur
    07-10-2007 05:16 PM
  17. bcaslis#IM's Avatar
    So are you saying that if the phone doesn't ring the blackberry logs the call? Or are you saying the blackberry always rings? I don't know how you could log a missed call if the phone doesn't ring.

    Don't know why you are getting missed calls. Have you tried powering it off and then back on to see if it fixes the problem?

    True, but as I said, if the caller opts not to leave a message, I will never know they called. My blackberry logs all calls. I love the iPhone, but lets face it Steve Jobs said the killer app for the iPhone is "making calls". To me, that is the one are of the phone that needs alot of work.
    07-10-2007 05:19 PM
  18. CountBuggula's Avatar
    Palm has acknowledged the many issues faced by 700P owners over and over again.

    I take it you never owned a 700P or read any of the Palm release notes or the TreoCentral forums on the 700P.

    Nice try though!
    So....you're calling me a liar. Thanks. If you actually read my post, you would see that I referred to my 700p not crashing every day, but a few times a week. You could also read my sig, which points to the fact that I use a 700p. And for the record, I have 2. My wife's rarely crashes (once every few weeks). So yes, Palm as acknowledged the issues the 700p has. That doesn't include crashing 5 times a day for every single unit, like you accused them of.
    07-10-2007 06:24 PM
  19. mikec#IM's Avatar
    And people wonder why I say investment banks have no itegrity...

    JP Morgan reverses it's comment about a Nano iPhone, saying Kevin "your career is over here" Chang did not have secondary verfification.

    Now they say a 3G iPhone in early 2008...

    Well that would be HSPDA...and I wonder which rev it will be.

    And if Apple and AT&T will charge more for it.
    07-10-2007 07:14 PM
  20. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Tsk tsk llarsen, getting FITA by the Count.

    Nice try, though.
    07-10-2007 07:16 PM
  21. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    What phones will do this?
    All WM Phones on Verizon interrupt data sessions to accept incoming calls either as a standard EVDO feature or through CPOP in 1xRTT areas.
    07-10-2007 09:04 PM
  22. Malatesta's Avatar
    All WM Phones on Verizon interrupt data sessions to accept incoming calls either as a standard EVDO feature or through CPOP in 1xRTT areas.
    And most Sprint WM devices as well...exceptions being Moto Q (though there is a hack) and the 6700 (for a few months, then fixed).

    In fact on the WM Treo, it's just a flat-out option under settings: Interrupt data session for call or don't. :thumbsup:

    EvDO Rev A is supposed to allow both voice & data at the same time, though it is unclear at this point if that will be optioned by Sprint/Verizon to do so (there are conflicting reports)
    07-10-2007 09:10 PM
  23. mobileman's Avatar
    Since its really bothering me, I popped a tmobile sim from work into a blackberry and did some side by side testing. In regards to missed calls going straight to voicemail, the exact same thing happens on my tmobile blackberry than whats going on on my iPhone. If data is being transmitted, the call goes right to vmail, with no indication of a missed call.

    I guess I never really noticed it because I only went to mobile and wap sites on my blackberry.

    I guess Edge really stinks.
    07-10-2007 09:17 PM
  24. Malatesta's Avatar
    I guess Edge really stinks.
    It was the same with CDMA 1x...don't feel bad, lol.
    07-10-2007 09:23 PM
  25. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    It was the same with CDMA 1x...don't feel bad, lol.
    Not with Verizon's Circuit Precedence over Packet Data (CPOP) - you'll never miss a call due to a data session. The technology is available for some 2.5G systems like 1xRTT. Apple wisely avoided Verizon's "inferior" network to use Edge instead.
    07-10-2007 09:30 PM
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