1. Certs's Avatar
    I too wish it has a2dp, but considering the lack or removable battery I think I'm better off. I also had to buy that stupid adapter.

    You do not have to reset the phone every day. In fact, I would even call that statement absurd. AT&T says that about ALL their phones, as is stated in the quote, for network purposes. Far from necessary.

    It should also be known that you can close apps on the iPhone. Its very easy too, and one-handed!

    I'm done for now. Please, carry on...
    07-09-2007 10:53 PM
  2. CountBuggula's Avatar
    As a Windows user, I do not know how OS X apps fail. I know that Windows apps fail to the "blue screen of death," and require a re-boot (on my sytem that takes minutes, not seconds or tens of seconds). I know that Treo (POS) apps fail, a half dozen times a day, to a reset or a hard stop that requires a reset, tens of seconds.

    The only iPhone app that I have had "fail" is Safari. It does not require a reset or a reboot, only a restart of Safari, a second or two. The choice seems clear to me. What am I missing?
    That might've been true for Windows98 and Me, but application crashing rarely if ever causes a BSOD in XP or Vista (not that I really like either of those either, but at least get your facts straight). The only things that reliably cause a BSOD in XP are driver or hardware related (graphics drivers are known to do this). If an application crashes or freezes in XP, you can almost always just close it with the task manager and return to the desktop.
    07-09-2007 10:54 PM
  3. CountBuggula's Avatar
    I'm with you on this one, but i'm sure we'll see third party apps in the thing at some point.
    Pure speculation at this point. I'm also sure Palm will release a non-incremental new Treo at some point. I'm not holding my breath though.


    True, but i'll bet that Apple didn't add support for stereo bluetooth because their own Apple branded bluetooth headphones arent ready yet. When they are a simple software update can enable the rest of the bluetooth features that should have been there already.
    And that supposedly makes it ok? It just proves how money-grubbing they are and how much they want to nickel and dime you all to death.

    Another issue for me, but a $10 headphone jack extender fixes the problem...
    Nickels and dimes, my friend. They'll get you in the end.
    07-09-2007 10:58 PM
  4. oalvarez's Avatar
    And that supposedly makes it ok? It just proves how money-grubbing they are and how much they want to nickel and dime you all to death.


    Nickels and dimes, my friend. They'll get you in the end.

    you know, if you listened to yourself you would have bought their stock a long time ago.

    let me guess, you did.
    07-09-2007 11:10 PM
  5. CountBuggula's Avatar
    you know, if you listened to yourself you would have bought their stock a long time ago.

    let me guess, you did.
    There are companies that I would never buy stock from even if it's a guaranteed increase, because I cannot morally support them as a company. It's not all about personal gain, sometimes it's what you stand for.
    07-10-2007 12:54 AM
  6. whmurray's Avatar
    Have you ever owned a treo 680? This crash several times a day seems to be associated with the 650 (and the 30? MB ROM)..my treo 680 crashes maybe twice a week...if at all!Just curious...
    I do own a 680. I agree it does not crash; the battery does not last long enough. It does not even make a good paper weight.
    07-10-2007 07:46 AM
  7. whmurray's Avatar
    There are companies that I would never buy stock from even if it's a guaranteed increase, because I cannot morally support them as a company. It's not all about personal gain, sometimes it's what you stand for.
    I agree with Cramer; investing is about the money. That said, I do not own Altria; for me the line is somewhere between Altria and Anheuser-Busch. Apple is clearly on the "morally" right side of that line. They make money for their investors by selling a quality product at a price that the consumer stands in line to pay. Hell, I even own Microsoft.
    07-10-2007 07:51 AM
  8. bruckwine's Avatar
    I do own a 680. I agree it does not crash; the battery does not last long enough. It does not even make a good paper weight.
    Ah must be because it's so light! For me it's the most useful paperweight ever...5 yrs ahead of the rest at least!
    07-10-2007 08:00 AM
  9. surur's Avatar
    Those iPhone crashes must be annoying. I hope it does not damage Apple's reputation.

    hekidnappedher 07-10-2007 06:47

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    iPhone crashes to home screen...ALOT

    I notice that the iPhone crashes to the home screen many times if I am on a particular site that takes a while to load and after about 15-20 seconds...BOOM...crashes to home screen. This happens whether the iPod is playing music or not.

    Rebooting the phone does seem to solve the problem temporarily in most cases...but then there are times where rebooting doesn't help at all.

    This is sure as hell not a hardware issue because there are threads with tons of people claiming the same thing happens to them.

    Hopefully apple will release a update to fix this well known glitch. Until then, keep on rebooting until apple decides to find and fix this!

    sunnybwoy 07-10-2007 07:57

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    I have the same problem and is getting worse.to the point that I think I might return it tomorrow but if apple doesn't hurry up they might lose another one.

    alex310 07-10-2007 12:59

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    Do the reset guys, you wont lose no data, hold down the power & the button under the screen till a screen pops up saying slide to turn off, slide it, then turn it back on, fixed the problem on my phone and one other person I heard of. Good luck guys!

    drmrw 07-10-2007 13:07

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    The iPhone doesn't crash......it suddenly has a change of heart about the program its running....
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1198441

    Surur
    07-10-2007 08:27 AM
  10. meyerweb#CB's Avatar
    As a Windows user, I do not know how OS X apps fail. I know that Windows apps fail to the "blue screen of death," and require a re-boot (on my sytem that takes minutes, not seconds or tens of seconds). I know that Treo (POS) apps fail, a half dozen times a day, to a reset or a hard stop that requires a reset, tens of seconds.

    The only iPhone app that I have had "fail" is Safari. It does not require a reset or a reboot, only a restart of Safari, a second or two. The choice seems clear to me. What am I missing?
    What are you missing? The fact that on my 700P Blazer hasn't "failed" in weeks. It crashes perhaps once a month or so. And my 700P hasn't reset in a couple of weeks, and typically resets (or needs me to do a reset) less than once a month. I'll take that over Safari crashes multiple times a day.

    And I honestly can't remember when I last saw a BSOD. I'm sure it was back on Windows 2000--I don't think I've ever gotten one under XP.

    Even if my Treo did reset once a day, I'd put up with it for the dramaticly better feature set Palm includes compared to the iPhone. It's really kind of sad that Palm devices did more, in many ways, 10 years ago than the iPHone does today. Other than a flashy interface, the iPhone is significantly less capable than my 700. I mean, really: no tasks at all (and don't tell me a web site is a reasonable alternative), no searching in contacts, weak calendaring capabilities, especially compared to 3rd party apps like Datebook. And there will never be a datebook for the iPhone, will there?. That may be the biggest issue of all for the iPhone. You'll never see the kind of capabilities 3rd party apps provide for Palm and Windoze devices, thanks to Steve Job's penchant for closed platforms.
    07-10-2007 08:45 AM
  11. JohnH59's Avatar
    As a Windows user, I do not know how OS X apps fail. I know that Windows apps fail to the "blue screen of death," and require a re-boot (on my sytem that takes minutes, not seconds or tens of seconds). I know that Treo (POS) apps fail, a half dozen times a day, to a reset or a hard stop that requires a reset, tens of seconds.

    The only iPhone app that I have had "fail" is Safari. It does not require a reset or a reboot, only a restart of Safari, a second or two. The choice seems clear to me. What am I missing?
    Windows XP rarely gets the BSOD. If you do, my experience is that you generally have hardware issues. When an app crashes, it is the only thing that crashes. You don't get the BSOD. You get a message asking if you want to send the info to Microsoft. Answer No and the app simply closes. As far as browsers go, I've had this happen with IE, Firefox, Safari, and Netscape. It rarely happens though.
    07-10-2007 10:53 AM
  12. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Well, I don't know about nickels and dimes, although I am sure Apple goes for it where they can.

    I think there are such things as design flaw (recessed plug) or misjudging market (desire for BT stereo profile).

    I'm curious what the update cycle will be with the iPhone (once a month, quarter, or year).
    07-10-2007 11:34 AM
  13. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    Pure speculation at this point.
    It is, but i'd even give odds on that bet. I'll put a gaurentee that Apple releases more of their own apps. I'm sure we see 3rd party apps as well.

    And that supposedly makes it ok? It just proves how money-grubbing they are and how much they want to nickel and dime you all to death.
    I never said it was OK, but they aren't nickel and diming anyone. They dont want to release this capability because then iPhone owners will just go out and buy any old stereo BT headset. Apple waits and opens up this ability and releases their own headset at the same time and many people will buy the Apple branded one. Is this the best thing for consumers? Probably not. Is it a smart business move? Absolutely. Is there a huge outcry for this capability? No.
    07-10-2007 12:27 PM
  14. surur's Avatar
    The more Apple adds to the iPhone, the more complex it will get. Eventually, where will be the ease-of-use advantage?

    Surur
    07-10-2007 12:50 PM
  15. tirk's Avatar
    The more Apple adds to the iPhone, the more complex it will get. Eventually, where will be the ease-of-use advantage?
    Unfortunately, I have a feeling familiarity may replace it. A bit like Microsoft products really.
    07-10-2007 12:54 PM
  16. llarson's Avatar
    Those iPhone crashes must be annoying. I hope it does not damage Apple's reputation.


    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1198441

    Surur
    and you don't miss a thing. Surur still posting threads from other boards and stating since one or fifty people say it it must be a wide spread problem.

    I have a feeling in 5 months this tread will still be going strong with post from Surur copying and pasting some lonely persons gripe that the iPHONE doesn't have MMS and they really really wish it did.

    As far as I know ALL OS systems crash programs and anyone who would expect differently is a little out there.

    Now living with a Palm Treo 700P and its 5 crashes and resets or freezes a day is bad!
    07-10-2007 01:20 PM
  17. surur's Avatar
    and you don't miss a thing. Surur still posting threads from other boards and stating since one or fifty people say it it must be a wide spread problem.

    I have a feeling in 5 months this tread will still be going strong with post from Surur copying and pasting some lonely persons gripe that the iPHONE doesn't have MMS and they really really wish it did.

    As far as I know ALL OS systems crash programs and anyone who would expect differently is a little out there.

    Now living with a Palm Treo 700P and its 5 crashes and resets or freezes a day is bad!
    Still claiming crashing is an isolated problem I see.

    Surur
    07-10-2007 01:28 PM
  18. CountBuggula's Avatar
    and you don't miss a thing. Surur still posting threads from other boards and stating since one or fifty people say it it must be a wide spread problem.

    I have a feeling in 5 months this tread will still be going strong with post from Surur copying and pasting some lonely persons gripe that the iPHONE doesn't have MMS and they really really wish it did.

    As far as I know ALL OS systems crash programs and anyone who would expect differently is a little out there.

    Now living with a Palm Treo 700P and its 5 crashes and resets or freezes a day is bad!
    And doing exactly the same thing he's criticizing Surur for. The 5 crashes and resets a day surely must happen to every 700p user then by your argument. Why does mine only reset 1-2 times a week then? (I'm not saying that even that is acceptable, but you're still grossly exaggerating in the same breath you fault someone else for exaggeration).
    07-10-2007 01:44 PM
  19. CountBuggula's Avatar
    I never said it was OK, but they aren't nickel and diming anyone. They dont want to release this capability because then iPhone owners will just go out and buy any old stereo BT headset. Apple waits and opens up this ability and releases their own headset at the same time and many people will buy the Apple branded one. Is this the best thing for consumers? Probably not. Is it a smart business move? Absolutely. Is there a huge outcry for this capability? No.
    How is that not nickle-and-diming? Isn't that the definition of the term?
    07-10-2007 01:46 PM
  20. llarson's Avatar
    And doing exactly the same thing he's criticizing Surur for. The 5 crashes and resets a day surely must happen to every 700p user then by your argument. Why does mine only reset 1-2 times a week then? (I'm not saying that even that is acceptable, but you're still grossly exaggerating in the same breath you fault someone else's exaggeration).
    Palm has acknowledged the many issues faced by 700P owners over and over again.

    I take it you never owned a 700P or read any of the Palm release notes or the TreoCentral forums on the 700P.

    Nice try though!
    07-10-2007 01:48 PM
  21. mobileman's Avatar
    This should make Surur and Malatesta happy.

    I'm noticing an alarming occurring problem with the iPhone. On average, I think I'm missing 5 calls a day because they go straight to voicemail. If the caller decides not to leave a message, I will have no idea that they even called.

    I understand that using the EDGE network that you cannot do voice and data at the same time, but shouldn't voice take precedence? I never missed a call on my blackberry.
    07-10-2007 01:53 PM
  22. surur's Avatar
    This should make Surur and Malatesta happy.

    I'm noticing an alarming occurring problem with the iPhone. On average, I think I'm missing 5 calls a day because they go straight to voicemail. If the caller decides not to leave a message, I will have no idea that they even called.

    I understand that using the EDGE network that you cannot do voice and data at the same time, but shouldn't voice take precedence? I never missed a call on my blackberry.
    There are of course long threads about this on the various iPhone sites. I did not post them because it seemed so boring, but to some people it seems to be a deal breaker.

    Surur
    07-10-2007 02:00 PM
  23. mobileman's Avatar
    There are of course long threads about this on the various iPhone sites. I did not post them because it seemed so boring, but to some people it seems to be a deal breaker.

    Surur
    Just curious Surur, what phone do you use?

    My perfect device would be a device as thin as the iphone, and with the same screen and resolution. It would need to be as reliable as a phone and email device as my old blackberry, and support 3rd party apps like windows mobile.
    07-10-2007 02:06 PM
  24. bcaslis#IM's Avatar
    This is a GSM issue more than an iPhone one. If you are "actively" receiving or sending data, a call will go to voicemail no matter what. This is the same for any GSM device. If you have looking a website but not actively send or receiving data then a call will come through.

    One thing probably different than your blackberry is that it receives less data since it's compressed by the server and you can't really get full websites to load on it's browser. If you are using Safari, you are downloading more data and taking more time to do it, thereby increasing the chance of missing a call. The only real solution for this is UMTS/HSDPA (or EVDO-A) which allow simultaneous voice and data.

    This should make Surur and Malatesta happy.

    I'm noticing an alarming occurring problem with the iPhone. On average, I think I'm missing 5 calls a day because they go straight to voicemail. If the caller decides not to leave a message, I will have no idea that they even called.

    I understand that using the EDGE network that you cannot do voice and data at the same time, but shouldn't voice take precedence? I never missed a call on my blackberry.
    07-10-2007 02:17 PM
  25. mobileman's Avatar
    This is a GSM issue more than an iPhone one. If you are "actively" receiving or sending data, a call will go to voicemail no matter what. This is the same for any GSM device. If you have looking a website but not actively send or receiving data then a call will come through.

    One thing probably different than your blackberry is that it receives less data since it's compressed by the server and you can't really get full websites to load on it's browser. If you are using Safari, you are downloading more data and taking more time to do it, thereby increasing the chance of missing a call. The only real solution for this is UMTS/HSDPA (or EVDO-A) which allow simultaneous voice and data.
    Couple of problems with this theory though, I do go to "real" websites on my blackberry, and some of them take along time to load. As far as I know, they are not "compressed by the server".

    Also, I sometimes miss calls on my iPhone when I'm not browsing.
    07-10-2007 02:26 PM
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