1. CountBuggula's Avatar
    That there are some crashes, and crash means the application Safari quits sending you back to the Home screen not freezing the phone, so the iPHONE is a failure. Not following you on this one Surur but then again only a few people do.

    So far all I have taken away from this thread and the people who have posted ad nauseam cuts and paste, again showing they don't own a iPHONE because we can't , of threads from iPHONE boards is...
    Wow...that was the worst run on sentence ever. I can almost understand what you were trying to get at though, so let's move on.

    1. Most of you feel strongly that most people who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    2. Apple and Steve Jobs have lied to the world about the iPHONE and you're mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore.

    3. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    4. The iPHONE doesn't have (fill in the blank here for what you think is the end all be all program) so it sucks.

    5. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    6. To be a truly useful phone you must be able to install 3rd party apps even if that means your phone crashes, and by this i mean freezes and requires you to do a reset and restart your phone, several times a day but at least you can say you have 3rd party apps!

    7. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    Well if you are right Apple will be broke come this time next year and you will be vindicated.

    Time will tell if the iPHONE is the what many think it is a giant evolutionary leap forward in cell phone UI and ease of use.

    I think by this time next year the iPHONE will have a good portion of the cell phone market and most of you will be using iPHONE clones as cell phones.

    Thank you and good night all. Catch you later.
    You finally got it!

    Lucky for Apple and their stock, the world is full of stupid people.
    07-07-2007 09:53 PM
  2. Malatesta's Avatar
    But as I have said you guys seem to be lacking something and these threads seem to make you feel better about yourselves and your gadget so do what you have to.
    Done pseudo-psychoanalayzing?

    Point is:
    Why do you care so much what is posted in this thread? Why do you feel you need to reply to these posts? What does that say about yourself?
    07-07-2007 09:54 PM
  3. coolbreeze78's Avatar
    Malatesta,

    I have respect for you...read many useful posts from you during my Palm/WM days. I've used just about every device and platform out there, so I'm very familiar with the point you are making. In fact, I tried those programs on my Mogul recently (which I've since returned). The iPhone will be opened up to 3rd party apps, so are you saying we should expect resets, etc, like WM and Palm have? I know that's a convenient reason for unstability on Palm/WM, but you have to admit as a "mature" OS', they remain natively unstable as virgin devices.

    I am really just tossing chum in the water with this thread, as everyone else. My postings are just for fun.

    WM is great
    iPhone is great
    Palm is great
    RIM is great

    They all have tremendously helped me both personally and professionally. In fact, I don't think I would have been able to be so productive without these devices. I just happen to find the iPhone to be a refreshing tool that does what I want it to do, efficiently and effectively. Many, many others disagree. That's the beauty of choice.
    07-07-2007 10:03 PM
  4. KStewart's Avatar

    I think by this time next year the iPHONE will have a good portion of the cell phone market and most of you will be using iPHONE clones as cell phones.

    Thank you and good night all. Catch you later.
    Nothing personal but at least I am not so pitiful to try and find away to immulate the UI on my device...that is hilarious let alone purchasing a clone. If you are enjoying your ibone that much and the comments here upset you refrain from this thread(e.g. turn the channel).
    07-07-2007 10:03 PM
  5. mobileman's Avatar

    Way to make it circular! You're not very good at arguing are you?
    Why do you think I have any interest in arguing an opinion. Afterall, its just a cell phone. If a Windows or Palm device is more likening, then good for you. I for one, prefer the iPhone (for now). You can try to talk me out of it all you want, but in my opinion, I have had it with an OS that hasn't seen an upgrade in 5 years (POS), and another one with a terrible UI (Win mobile).

    You may have the exact opposite opinion, and I say good for you.
    07-07-2007 10:09 PM
  6. KStewart's Avatar
    Why do you think I have any interest in arguing an opinion. Afterall, its just a cell phone. If a Windows or Palm device is more likening, then good for you. I for one, prefer the iPhone (for now). You can try to talk me out of it all you want, but in my opinion, I have had it with an OS that hasn't seen an upgrade in 5 years (POS), and another one with a terrible UI (Win mobile).

    You may have the exact opposite opinion, and I say good for you.
    I concur with Win and the terrible UI.:thumbsup:
    07-07-2007 10:12 PM
  7. HolyHannah's Avatar
    The big hesitation for me is still 9, the contract more than anything.

    So Safari crashes? Interesting. 4, 6 and 7 are also concerns I already mentioned in other threads.

    I looked at a tester. The phone feels solid and does respond to the touchscreen. Seems to work on wifi pretty well. The high resolution colorful screen is as advertised. It's just the restrictions leaving me saying "should I or shouldn't I move one of my numbers to an iPhone?".
    Ah, the joys of Treo ownership... My trusty old Blackberry looks better and better!
    07-07-2007 10:23 PM
  8. bruckwine's Avatar
    Couple of points here Eric:

    1)
    Yes people ported over iPhone functionality (way before the iPhone was released). The PPC community is very strong and creative like that and in fact, those programs are both free and simple to use--plus emulating devices is just fun. People have made WM look like XP, OSX, PalmOS, Linux and every other thing imaginable. So these iPhone ports are not unusual or special.

    2) On a device with a front keyboard and even more so with a WM Treo, both programs you cite are actually terrible UIs. Why? (see below)

    3)
    MS and Palm are both known to be working on more one-handed, large icon, touch-based interfaces with cleaner (and in MS's case, highly flexible) UIs.

    This is not a "copy" of Apple though as information on their future OSs was shown nearly a year-ago to some insiders (see Brighthand and Engadget who have both reported on these). Rather, this is just the current and logical trend in the Mobile industry.

    - WM does not need to 'flip and scroll' to find contacts, we just type the contact name and it brings it up, right on the Today Screen. This is much faster and and more accurate than a "flip and scan" approach.

    - The slide-to-lock is also awful since the WM Treo has the Keyguard program, which is one-handed and simpler to use.

    So both of those programs are only good for non-keyboard devices or ones with slide-out keyboards. They are antithetical to Treo usage.


    You leave out a critical distinction:

    The iPhone is closed to 3rd party applications so any instability is due solely to the OS and programming. More importantly, the inability to use 3rd party programs was done on purpose to reduce instability, that was the "brilliant insight" of Jobs.

    This was suppose to the major advantage with the iPhone over POS and WM, yet it still has some issues.

    By comparison, at least on a WM device, I would challenge anyone to find any site that "crashes" PIE--in fact I have never seen it. It seems to only happen when people get funky and start moving cache to storage cards, installing "plug ins" for PIE, etc. That is, unsupported hacks or modifications to the OS/PIE.

    So your comparison is not accurate since the environments are rarely the same.
    Good post :thumbsup: btw I tried iPhoney b4 June 29th...it was ok but limited (as you can only use 8 icons when i use about 15 apps)....also did anyone know that using Butler 4.x on treos the slide to unlock feature was avaliable already (or did they put that in after seeing the iPhone in Jan 2007?? COuld be!) - personally I find pressing a button to unlock easier (one-handed)...
    07-07-2007 10:28 PM
  9. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    personally I find pressing a button to unlock easier (one-handed)...
    Slide to unlock on the iPhone is one handed as well. Holding it in my right hand i unlock it with my right thumb.
    07-07-2007 10:37 PM
  10. Merovingian's Avatar
    That there are some crashes, and crash means the application Safari quits sending you back to the Home screen not freezing the phone, so the iPHONE is a failure. Not following you on this one Surur but then again only a few people do.

    So far all I have taken away from this thread and the people who have posted ad nauseam cuts and paste, again showing they don't own a iPHONE because we can't , of threads from iPHONE boards is...

    1. Most of you feel strongly that most people who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    2. Apple and Steve Jobs have lied to the world about the iPHONE and you're mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore.

    3. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    4. The iPHONE doesn't have (fill in the blank here for what you think is the end all be all program) so it sucks.

    5. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    6. To be a truly useful phone you must be able to install 3rd party apps even if that means your phone crashes, and by this i mean freezes and requires you to do a reset and restart your phone, several times a day but at least you can say you have 3rd party apps!

    7. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).

    Well if you are right Apple will be broke come this time next year and you will be vindicated.

    Time will tell if the iPHONE is the what many think it is a giant evolutionary leap forward in cell phone UI and ease of use.

    I think by this time next year the iPHONE will have a good portion of the cell phone market and most of you will be using iPHONE clones as cell phones.

    Thank you and good night all. Catch you later.
    Look, you have a point, but what most people find offensive is that they're charging folks an un-subsidized price for a device that further requires a lenghty contract, has very tightly-controlled and therefore somewhat limiting features, lacking some very basic options and on and on..so forth.

    I know lots of folks who like their iPhone and tried to convince me to get one, but the downsides far outweigh the upsides for me personally. I can't go without a qwerty keyboard (Sprint 700Wx), period, bluetooth stereo, extended batteries (no matter how much juice a device has, it's always good to get a spare or at least have the option to get one, having to send it your phone plus pay $29 to rent one is retarded), no 3G (Sprint and Verizon are making a killing with their EVDO offerings, no GSM carrier in the States even comes close, especially to Sprint at $15/month)...i could go on, but what's the point.

    Sorry, a $500-$600 locked-down GSM phone will not "have a good portion of the cell phone market" like you say. At that price point it doesn't work for everyone or the majority.

    Let us all let it be. Some like it and it works for them, others don't and it's not for them, like me.
    07-07-2007 10:48 PM
  11. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Malatesta, you and your friends seem to be doing all the crying.

    The iPHONE isn't the best blah, blah, blah , blah...

    Suck it up and except the fact the iPHONE is here and will more then likely drive the other phone developers to copy its GUI.

    Come next year you will more then likely be using a iPHONE rip-off phone.

    But as I have said you guys seem to be lacking something and these threads seem to make you feel better about yourselves and your gadget so do what you have to.

    I don't think it's likely that WM will allow that much change to it's GUI. Or RIM. Or Symbian. They will do touchscreen(WM and Symbian UIQ of course already do) and maybe bigger icons, but that's about it. Dumping the physical keyboard/keypad entirely is very unlikely IMO.
    07-07-2007 11:53 PM
  12. JohnH59's Avatar
    People are saying this is Apple's first attempt and Palm has been around for a long time so you would expect the iPhone to have some problems being it's first generation. To me, I would think that Apple would have learned something from Palm, if they are so bad, and made sure they didn't make the same mistakes by releasing a "smartphone" that was not quite ready.

    I still say they are both good devices. It just depends on your needs.
    07-08-2007 12:08 AM
  13. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Safari has crashed several times on me during my first week of ownership. Yep, it crashes. *gasp* Yep, the iPhone was released 1 week ago. Yep. It's highly unstable and likely to crash at any second. We get it.
    Do you know what caused the crash? Is it certain sites?
    07-08-2007 12:15 AM
  14. Slingbox's Avatar
    My take,

    iphone cons
    Slow Slow edge service
    No backup battery allowed.
    No push e-mail
    No games
    No SD card
    No Slingmedia allowed.
    No tomtom
    Cant be tweaked
    BASICALLY NO 3RD PARTY APP ALLOWED..PUT ON THE HAND CUFFS


    I use the Treo 700WX with no crashing and maybe a softreset needed every couple months.
    SELL ME ON WHY I SHOULD BUY THE IPHONE PLEASE..
    leave out the pretty user interface..That selling point has been worn out and how sure the OS is.There are threads that say different for some users.

    Phil C
    07-08-2007 12:29 AM
  15. Malatesta's Avatar
    I for one, prefer the iPhone (for now). You can try to talk me out of it all you want, but in my opinion..
    Actually, contrary to your assertion, I have no desire to talk you out of the iPhone or anyone here at TC for that matter.

    If it works for you and it's what you want that is perfectly fine.

    The only contention with the iPhone, as I've repeated numerous times as my opinion, is what it boasts to do via functionality vs. what we already have, disappointment in some features that would make it dramatically better than some current offerings, cost vs. benefit, choice of carriers and some hyperbole that has been said in the name of the iPhone.

    e.g. I think of things like: What if it has 3g, open access to programming, etc?

    I've also stated that had it come with 3g and on Sprint, I'd give it a test run as I'm not above using Apple products, though in general I'm ambivalent about them as a company.
    The iPhone will be opened up to 3rd party apps, so are you saying we should expect resets, etc, like WM and Palm have? I know that's a convenient reason for unstability on Palm/WM, but you have to admit as a "mature" OS', they remain natively unstable as virgin devices.

    I am really just tossing chum in the water with this thread, as everyone else. My postings are just for fun.
    Thanks for the kind words. I know you're just goofing too and are not an evangelical of any device or OS.

    As far as stability and the future of the iPhone, I have no idea. Clearly Apple has a leg up in comparison to other OEMs since they get direct access and control to each iPhone without carrier interference or approval, which should allow much easier and more direct updates to fix issues. I can bet that every other OEM is extremely envious of such a system as the carriers would never allow them the same freedom (I have consistently argued that the biggest problem with "lack of innovation" and buggy OSs has more to do with interference from the Carriers, rather than the OEMs).

    OTOH, if those rumors about the iPhone update are true, I hope it does not complicate the matter further. Afterall, the OS is bare and native now with a few issues (I won't assume how widespread or incidental)--throwing in Root access, more functionality, iChat, etc could only complicate the picture. Then again, with all of those "error reports" collected, maybe they can de-bug and fix whatever issues are current. Just have to wait and see although I could only imagine the situation will be more complex as more "stuff" is thrown on the OS, no different than every other OS on this planet. :o

    Also, I find the stability of WM from AKU 1.x (nearly unusable) to WM6 to be quite revealing. I think a native/virgin WM AKU 3.x+ device would be extremely stable, especially in comparison to a PalmOS device. In fact I'd be hard pressed to find any examples of system errors not related to either registry modification, unsupported hacks or invasive 3rd party programs e.g. phonealarm, Wisbar, Fexmail etc vs. non-invasive like Google Maps or simple single-run programs. I'm sure there may be some (there always are) but they have dramatically gone down as more mature devices have been released. One could argue it took too long to get there, but see above about carriers blocking OEM updating.
    07-08-2007 12:35 AM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    My take,

    iphone cons
    Slow Slow edge service
    No backup battery allowed.
    No push e-mail
    No games
    No SD card
    No Slingmedia allowed.
    No tomtom
    Cant be tweaked
    BASICALLY NO 3RD PARTY APP ALLOWED..PUT ON THE HAND CUFFS


    I use the Treo 700WX with no crashing and maybe a softreset needed every couple months.
    SELL ME ON WHY I SHOULD BUY THE IPHONE PLEASE..
    leave out the pretty user interface..That selling point has been worn out and how sure the OS is.There are threads that say different for some users.

    Phil C
    Honestly, that is the real selling point IMO. People are so caught up with the interface and design, that they forget this can't replace their smartphone yet. Unless they are using it as a 2nd phone. Which in that case, it works fine.

    You forgot LOCKED at $600, which is almost unheard of for a GSM phone!
    Plus one carrier restriction is absoulutely unheard of!! Most GSM phones can at least be unlocked to use on other carriers!
    07-08-2007 12:45 AM
  17. Certs's Avatar
    People are so caught up with the interface and design, that they forget this can't replace their smartphone yet.
    I can't agree with you here. Anyone who uses the device knows BETTER THAN ANYONE that it is less "capable" than a smart phone, and I have never heard any iphone owner say otherwise. This thread is more about people who own smart phones (surur) reminding everbody about it. The rest is basically residual banter, IMO.
    07-08-2007 01:09 AM
  18. CountBuggula's Avatar
    I can't agree with you here. Anyone who uses the device knows BETTER THAN ANYONE that it is less "capable" than a smart phone, and I have never heard any iphone owner say otherwise. This thread is more about people who own smart phones (surur) reminding everbody about it. The rest is basically residual banter, IMO.
    Oh, please don't tell me you just said what I think you said. Now Surur's gonna have to drag up 15 posts where iPhone users have said it's better than a smartphone. This is your fault, you know
    07-08-2007 01:12 AM
  19. Certs's Avatar
    better does not = more functional

    Surur knows me better than that
    07-08-2007 01:18 AM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    The only contention with the iPhone, as I've repeated numerous times as my opinion, is what it boasts to do via functionality vs. what we already have
    some consumers needs and wants might be met by what the iPhone offers. having said that, they might also prefer the simplicity of the functionality over other devices. simple.

    just tell the iPhone to shut-up next time it opens its mouth.
    07-08-2007 01:39 AM
  21. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I can't agree with you here. Anyone who uses the device knows BETTER THAN ANYONE that it is less "capable" than a smart phone, and I have never heard any iphone owner say otherwise. This thread is more about people who own smart phones (surur) reminding everbody about it. The rest is basically residual banter, IMO.
    But when you saw the keynote, it was compared to the Treo, BB Pearl, and some other smartphones. Implies that this is supposed to be better than them. Or replace them.
    07-08-2007 01:57 AM
  22. Malatesta's Avatar
    some consumers needs and wants might be met by what the iPhone offers. having said that, they might also prefer the simplicity of the functionality over other devices. simple.

    just tell the iPhone to shut-up next time it opens its mouth.
    I stated my opinion, you just stated yours. For $600 I would want more functions. Simple.

    How does this add to or fundamentally change the discussion from before?
    07-08-2007 02:11 AM
  23. taylorh's Avatar
    question, are there individuals claiming that it's a more capable device or are they claiming that they like the device better than some other?
    Yes. I believe things like "The iPhone is 5 years ahead of anything out there" and "The iPhone is the best phone ever made."
    07-08-2007 02:54 AM
  24. taylorh's Avatar
    But when you saw the keynote, it was compared to the Treo, BB Pearl, and some other smartphones. Implies that this is supposed to be better than them. Or replace them.
    Absolutely. That is in fact what he implied in that keynote.


    Unrelated to that. I happened to see a post made by someone "in the know" regarding a list of new features coming to the iPhone in a software update.
    It's pretty extensive, and if it's true, it really will answer most of the complaints we all have about it's shortcomings.
    Including select/copy/paste. Including a file browser, as well as better touch screen navigation (taps, gestures, etc.) And that's only the beginning.
    So perhaps the iPhone is on it's way to greatness and it was just released before all of the features got in.

    Heck, they do all of that I may even get one when they make an HSDPA version.
    07-08-2007 03:01 AM
  25. surur's Avatar
    Absolutely. That is in fact what he implied in that keynote.


    Unrelated to that. I happened to see a post made by someone "in the know" regarding a list of new features coming to the iPhone in a software update.
    It's pretty extensive, and if it's true, it really will answer most of the complaints we all have about it's shortcomings.
    Including select/copy/paste. Including a file browser, as well as better touch screen navigation (taps, gestures, etc.) And that's only the beginning.
    So perhaps the iPhone is on it's way to greatness and it was just released before all of the features got in.

    Heck, they do all of that I may even get one when they make an HSDPA version.
    If all those features come true it will be a great device, possibly the best on the market. (except for lack of 3G of course).

    Surur
    07-08-2007 05:19 AM
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