1. surur's Avatar
    Iphone users getting bored with the device already?

    is the iPhone release simple by design??
    Posted: Jul 6, 2007 5:59 AM Reply Email


    Is iPhone Intentionally simple to start with?
    I was thinking about this a lot lately. There are so many things, simple things, obvious things, missing from iPhone on its release that I cant help thinking its more of a strategy then lack of foresight or users needs.

    Apple and AT&T both knew that this release was going to be huge, possibly adding 1/2 million new (or changing) users to AT&T's infrastructure and immediately putting a strain on its system, support technicians, help desk, etc. Apple knew it would be handling calls from confused users, those needing help, etc etc.

    So perhaps they simplified things by putting out the most basic elements possible on the iPhone. If you think about it, if they had put MMS on the iPhone, there would be a huge increase in data transmission over the Edge network of everyone sending pictures from their new iPhones. That could be a huge strain on the network. Also the more the iPhone does, the more people will be calling with questions, problems, or complaints, flooding Apple and AT&T's call centers with tons more seemingly unneessicary calls. Leaving a lot of things out on the release probably prevented tons of calls to the helpdesks so the teams can focus on the release and any problems related to it. Maybe the idea was make it simple, and then once the storm calms down, add more things out little by little until the iPhone reaches its full capabilities.

    I sincerely hope this is the case! While I love my iPhone and most likely wont return it (that thought is still on the table though) it is obviously severely lacking in many of the more basic and wanted things.
    I just hope we dont have to wait months for an update. A week into owning the iPhone and I have found that I am getting bored with it's current abilities. Definitely better then my blackberry was, but the Nokia 7125 I had for a while, while it didnt have the cool gui the iPhone does, was quite a bit more useful, not to mention fun, in terms of its abilities.
    http://discussions.apple.com/thread....0608&tstart=45

    Style over substance perhaps showing its dark side?

    Surur
    07-06-2007 09:49 PM
  2. llarson's Avatar
    Iphone users getting bored with the device already?



    http://discussions.apple.com/thread....0608&tstart=45

    Style over substance perhaps showing its dark side?

    Surur
    If some one somewhere post anything anti-iPHONE Surur will find it.

    Surur, out of the 250,000 to 750,000 iPHONE owners what percentage do you think the negative postings you dig up represent the over all ownership?
    07-06-2007 10:09 PM
  3. Slingbox's Avatar
    Charging led is a must.We went as far as adding solid orange to the charging mix in Treo alert.
    We have,

    Red led below 50%
    Orange led above 50%
    Green led at 100%

    The updated charge led are vary valuable giving you an idea of were your charge is at when in desktop charger,TomTom enabled and so on at a glance without having to power on device or close out app from today screen to check charge.

    Also,
    The iPhone does not give you the option for back up battery.Not to have led charge is bad news for the power user.
    07-06-2007 10:37 PM
  4. mobileman's Avatar
    Iphone users getting bored with the device already?



    http://discussions.apple.com/thread....0608&tstart=45

    Style over substance perhaps showing its dark side?

    Surur

    This is just plain silly. Surur, you are using a post from one user on the apple discussion boards as evidence of "Style over substance perhaps showing its dark side".

    Do I need to start posting quotes from some dissatisfied windows mobile users that might have a different opinion than you do?

    One more thing, how anyone can claim a symbian device is more "fun" to use than the iPhone (or any device) is crazy.
    07-06-2007 10:37 PM
  5. Denny Crane's Avatar
    If some one somewhere post anything anti-iPHONE Surur will find it.

    Surur, out of the 250,000 to 750,000 iPHONE owners what percentage do you think the negative postings you dig up represent the over all ownership?
    I think he has a major "thing" for the iPhone. I figure that Steve Jobs stiffed him on a tip at some point in the past. It's getting a little ridiculous.

    The Treo is a good device that meets many folks' needs.

    The iPhone is a good device that is meeting appealing to a larger audience at this time.
    07-06-2007 10:44 PM
  6. Denny Crane's Avatar
    This is just plain silly. Surur, you are using a post from one user on the apple discussion boards as evidence of "Style over substance perhaps showing its dark side".

    Do I need to start posting quotes from some dissatisfied windows mobile users that might have a different opinion than you do?

    One more thing, how anyone can claim a symbian device is more "fun" to use than the iPhone (or any device) is crazy.
    Do you think that there are any dissatisfied users in the 700P forum? I imagine that you could find some dissatisfied user in each section of this board. To pick out a few and put them forward as being representative of the group is silly on his part.
    07-06-2007 10:46 PM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    llarsen, why do ye fear the trvth?

    Just because Surur posts actual user experiences, he's the spider of the net?

    Or is it that fact someone is getting BORED with their iPhone (a return in the works).

    Say what you want about the Treo, but I don't know anyone who got bored with it after a week. (or reasons, sure, but not bored).

    Sure, a majority of iPhone users are happy...but there are other that are not, and I find that you tend to learn a lot about devices from the contrarians.
    07-06-2007 10:47 PM
  8. Certs's Avatar
    Apple has actually managed to discard usability conventions from many years mainly in an effort to make their device look good. This cant be expected to suit people who prefer substance over style.

    Surur
    This thread is funny, yet disapponting at the same time. Being a long time poster a TREOcentral, Surur, you really should know better. Let's see what Palm has learned over the years. Take, for instance, their NEWEST device:

    Ok, from several of the threads here, it looks like there are a number of us that are suddenly having wierd things going on with our 755s after about a month of trouble-free stability.

    Each case is a bit different, but they all seem to have a common thread, everything was fine one day then, without doing anything different or adding any apps or playing with settings, resets (that may not get logged) lockups and other wierd stuff starts happening

    As each situation is slightly different, having one thread to discuss them all would be too cumbersom but we need to keep track of what is going on. DO feel free to post a brief note as to what the problem is here along with any link.

    So...

    In this thread, please post a link to your thread (or somebody elses) where we are seeing what I am calling the "One-Month Meltdown"

    Of course it may not be just a month, it may depend on how many hours the thing has been used, when the thing was made -- who knows. What I am really looking for are situations where the 755 was working perfectly fine until it started going wacky for no clear reason. Thus, no links to threads where the user just added a third-party app that froze up the treo and things were fine after it was deleted (those are important threads, just not this one).

    What we need to keep track of is the "My 755 was working great, no resets, no lockups, until yesterday when for no reason....."

    Here is what I have so far:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=145720

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=145741

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=145748

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=145728
    UPDATE ON THIS THREAD: On this one, several posters also report problems that seem to fit the pattern

    New one:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=146092
    FOUR links to FOUR different problems, with a little disclaimer about reports of other problems not mentioned to boot! LOL

    I know you don't own a Treo, but this is the wrong place to ridicule a phone manufacturer
    07-06-2007 10:55 PM
  9. llarson's Avatar
    llarsen, why do ye fear the trvth?

    Just because Surur posts actual user experiences, he's the spider of the net?

    Or is it that fact someone is getting BORED with their iPhone (a return in the works).

    Say what you want about the Treo, but I don't know anyone who got bored with it after a week. (or reasons, sure, but not bored).

    Sure, a majority of iPhone users are happy...but there are other that are not, and I find that you tend to learn a lot about devices from the contrarians.
    Thats one of the reasons I am lurking here still. Some great points to be made about the design and function of the iPHONE.

    Some people will hate their new iPHONE and wonder what they got themselves into. But I firmly believe a vast majority of the people who bought the iPHONE will enjoy using it.

    Surur on the other hand making blanket statements like, "iPHONE users getting bored with the device already" based off one or even 100 post is silly.
    07-06-2007 11:00 PM
  10. JohnH59's Avatar
    If some one somewhere post anything anti-iPHONE Surur will find it.

    Surur, out of the 250,000 to 750,000 iPHONE owners what percentage do you think the negative postings you dig up represent the over all ownership?
    I'm a believer the same can be said of the Treo. We have at least a hundred Treo's in our company. They range from the 600 to the 755. We have Palm OS and WM. We have not had a one want to give it up because they are having problems. In fact, when I did a poll of our users, they all stated they had no problems in their daily use. As I have stated numerous times, the majority of people on discussion boards are the one's that are experiencing problems, not all mind you, but the majority. You don't generally hear from those not having troubles. I believe this to be true of both the iPhone and Treo as well. If your not having problems, you don't generally look for "answers".
    07-07-2007 12:42 AM
  11. CountBuggula's Avatar
    This is getting fun. So far we have over 20 pages of nothing but the following:

    Surur: Here's some reasons why the iPhone sucks
    iEvangelist: But I still really like using it!
    Surur: Here's some more reasons why the iPhone sucks
    iEvangelist: But it's so pretty!
    Surur: More reasons why I won't use an iPhone
    iEvengelist: Everything but iPhones are impossible to use because I'm too stupid to figure out how to use them
    Surur: Some reasons why people shouldn't get an iPhone
    iEvangelist: Treo's suck! Palm is stupid! Apple FTW!
    Surur: A few more reasons why the iPhone isn't for me
    iEvengelist: But the iPhone is meant for stupid people (mass market, not smartphone users)
    Surur: Evidence the iPhone is being marketed to smartphone users
    iEvangelist: But I still love my iPhone!


    Rinse, repeat for 20 more pages. Look...if you've got something nice to say about the iPhone, for one, this probably isn't the place to say it. Start a new thread called "reasons why I love my iPhone." Secondly, read back through this thread again. It's probably already been stated (several times) and refuted several times by the other side. I'm tired of repeating myself, as I'm sure everyone else is. So if you really feel like you need to share how much the revolutionary UI gives you an orgasm each time you touch your iPhone, do it somewhere else.
    07-07-2007 01:40 AM
  12. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I have to ask have you ever picked up and used the iPhone? I say this from the standpoint that every phone/PDA I've ever trashed is one that I have personal experience with.

    I think until you actually use one you can't truly rate it one way or another.

    From a user experience standpoint, I'd agree that the iPhone is 5 years ahead of the competition. The rest of the phones (smartphones) I've used are all kludges in how they act and respond compared to the iPhone.

    If anyone likes something better fine or wants features not in the iPhone, great. But the user experience on it really is tons better than any Palm, WM5, or Symbian device I've ever touched. This is the only device I've ever used that one week after getting it I'm even happier than when I bought it.
    Can you get your work email pushed to it?


    Also does it get domain based email?
    07-07-2007 02:54 AM
  13. taylorh's Avatar
    Other than the UI, what's advanced about the iPhone. You say 5 years ahead, but in what way? It doesn't even do some basic phone things and PDA things like select/copy/paste text.
    I used an iPhone for about 30 min. I thought it was a lot of fun. But the limitations quickly became irritating to me.
    I'd happily buy one if it was better than what I have. I'm always willing to upgrade to something better. I'm never satisfied with what I have.
    But I would have to sacrifice too many things to move to an iPhone, and I'd find myself wanting to go back.
    The thing is way too expensive. I've paid $600 for unlocked PDAs before, but the iPhone just isn't worth that much (to me.)

    But I think the iPhone has a lot of potential. I just hope Apple doesn't do what Apple is so good at, and that is be different just to be different. If they do what's best then there's not stopping that product and I'll get one some day.

    I'm looking forward to what the iPhone 2 is going to be and what Apple does with software additions, upgrades, etc.
    07-07-2007 03:58 AM
  14. surur's Avatar
    If some one somewhere post anything anti-iPHONE Surur will find it.

    Surur, out of the 250,000 to 750,000 iPHONE owners what percentage do you think the negative postings you dig up represent the over all ownership?
    I believe the vast majority of iPhone users will have at least one negative experience - paying full price for a locked device. They have Apple to thank for that.

    Surur
    07-07-2007 04:01 AM
  15. zeze22's Avatar
    Look...if you've got something nice to say about the iPhone, for one, this probably isn't the place to say it. Start a new thread called "reasons why I love my iPhone." .
    Ahh, another defender of the marketplace of ideas.
    07-07-2007 08:54 AM
  16. zeze22's Avatar

    I've seen a post somewhere where the guy asks "How do I know when its fully charged?" On most devices a solid green LED is all you have to look out for.

    Apple has actually managed to discard usability conventions from many years mainly in an effort to make their device look good. This cant be expected to suit people who prefer substance over style.

    Surur
    Once again, the poster reveals that he has never even seen the device that he obsessively criticizes.

    Ignorance defined, exponentially.

    It's also funny to hear a windows user criticize Apple for poor usability.
    07-07-2007 08:58 AM
  17. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Being that he's in the UK, I guess that is impossible for now. But he can still post reports on it's shortcomings. Remember, in this thread, it's not him but other posters in other forums.
    07-07-2007 09:08 AM
  18. surur's Avatar
    I love how the iPhone apologists post cryptic notes because they do not have a real response.

    Surur
    07-07-2007 09:11 AM
  19. zeze22's Avatar
    I love how the iPhone apologists post cryptic notes because they do not have a real response.

    Surur
    Sorry to confuse; I'll decrypt.

    As opposed to an LED display, the iPhone screen depicts a battery about fifty times the size of an LED while the phone is charging; It's red while charging and green when fully charged.

    Since it's bigger, it can be seen fro a greater distance than an LED, since that was so important it provoked another silly and lengthy post.

    This is just another example of the misinformation all over this tread caused by your unfamiliarity with the product.
    07-07-2007 09:35 AM
  20. surur's Avatar
    Sorry to confuse; I'll decrypt.

    As opposed to an LED display, the iPhone screen depicts a battery about fifty times the size of an LED while the phone is charging; It's red while charging and green when fully charged.

    Since it's bigger, it can be seen fro a greater distance than an LED, since that was so important it provoked another silly and lengthy post.

    This is just another example of the misinformation all over this tread caused by your unfamiliarity with the product.
    And when the screen is off?

    Surur
    07-07-2007 09:42 AM
  21. surur's Avatar
    The trials and tribulations of iPhone owners make for interesting reading.

    toss002 07-06-2007 16:57

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    Experienced DELAY with ROTATION-SENSOR?

    Have you guys experienced a delay with the rotation-sensor when viewing pics?

    This morning it seems to work fine.

    BUT yesterday, I was viewing pictures, and it took some time for it to rotate my pics--sometimes not at all. When it didn't, I had to rotate a complete 180 to work. (I asking this because I am expecting it might happen again.)

    I am thinking heat might have something to do with it. When it's hot = delay. When it's cool (like first touch in the morning) = okay.

    Anyone experienced this?

    BeyondTheTech 07-06-2007 17:39

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    For me, it also depends on the tilt. If I have the iPhone completely upright, the accelerometer works without a hitch. If I'm angled and then I rotate, it might take a bit for it to realize it's in a new orientation.

    toss002 07-06-2007 17:42

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    Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech
    For me, it also depends on the tilt. If I have the iPhone completely upright, the accelerometer works without a hitch. If I'm angled and then I rotate, it might take a bit for it to realize it's in a new orientation.


    That sounds like a tip, thanks.

    toss002 07-06-2007 17:47

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    Accelerometer and Games

    I have read somewhere that they might utilize the accelerometer for controlling games, possible games that would be made for iPhone.

    If this were true, the accelerometer has to work perfectly.

    But iThink this might not happen.

    Thus, touch-screen games would be the only choices?

    glowrider 07-06-2007 17:48

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    Definitely changes sensitivity in regards to tilt so it doesn't keep spinning on someone who is using it tilted. This morning, for example, I'm on set and it won't spin the album covers in coverflow. Really frustrating.

    bbm3 07-06-2007 18:20

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    I tap the top of the phone with my finger when this happens. Works great.

    brooklynbo916 07-07-2007 05:23

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    tap the screen at the top or the phone?

    bbm3 07-07-2007 05:47

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    Originally Posted by brooklynbo916
    tap the screen at the top or the phone?


    The edge of the phone, the body, whichever edge is up.

    Not sure if that is clear, if not Ill try again.

    The WB 07-07-2007 13:57

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    But why is it doing this so quickly? The rotational forces should be enough - tapping the unit now to make it work, just 7(+) days post launch.
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1195686

    Problems starting already, only 7 days after launch? I wonder if there is a way to enter coverflow without relying on this buggy sensor. It must get frustrating when you are stuck with Apple's way or the highway.

    Surur
    07-07-2007 09:49 AM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    And when the screen is off, you have to look across the room, and then walk across the room, turn on the screen, and see if you have a message or if it charged.
    07-07-2007 09:50 AM
  23. Denny Crane's Avatar
    Being that he's in the UK, I guess that is impossible for now. But he can still post reports on it's shortcomings. Remember, in this thread, it's not him but other posters in other forums.
    The problem is that he is posting these issues as being indicative of the entire population of iPhone owners. That would be akin to saying that because the 700P is a piece of garbage that all Treos are, which we know is not the case.
    07-07-2007 09:57 AM
  24. tirk's Avatar
    The problem is that he is posting these issues as being indicative of the entire population of iPhone owners.
    So you're accusing him of generalising from individual, though numerous, posts...

    Which you follow with two generalisations:

    That would be akin to saying that because the 700P is a piece of garbage
    and

    ...which we know is not the case.
    07-07-2007 10:03 AM
  25. surur's Avatar
    The problem is that he is posting these issues as being indicative of the entire population of iPhone owners. That would be akin to saying that because the 700P is a piece of garbage that all Treos are, which we know is not the case.
    You know, there is something very special about the iPhone. Its a closed system. People cant do anything to make it work any better or any worse.

    If a few people are experiencing issues, especially software issues, then these exist in all devices. You have just not run into them yet. If a few are experiencing hardware issues (e.g. poor sensitivity of the accelerometer) we also do not yet know how wide-spread this is.

    In the mean time most people are still mesmerized by the "fluid interface". Complaints will increase once that wears off.

    Interesting little fact - The Safari browser allows multiple windows, but you cant open a link in a new window. How's that for having a real browser in your hand (or not).

    Surur
    07-07-2007 10:11 AM
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