1. coolbreeze78's Avatar
    07-04-2007 08:51 PM
  2. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    This generation seems to like their parents. High school students use their cells to let their parents know where they are, who they are with, and what they are doing. College students use their cell phones to talk to their parents several times a day.
    TRANSLATION: Your kids will never move out of your basement! :cry:
    07-04-2007 09:49 PM
  3. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    How about the $88 to replace your iPhone battery with a "3 day" turnaround?

    Don't fret, they'll rent you an iPhone for $30 in the meantime :o

    Apple launches battery replacement program for iPhone


    eh, who am I kidding. People with iPhone will gladly pony up. This device is bullet proof.
    That's when unlocked phones come into play. Pop out SIM and use in another phone for the 3 days. Screw the rental! I'd also reformat the phone before sending it in. PITA but keeping your info private is priority.

    And no cell battery has been $88 before, usually $60 at the most! :thumbsdn: Nickel and dimers everywhere!! Not just Apple, I might add.
    07-05-2007 02:31 AM
  4. whmurray's Avatar
    TRANSLATION: Your kids will never move out of your basement! :cry:
    LOL.

    But they are better company than we were, not nearly so given to pouting, sulking, whining, and grudging one-word answers. You can actually have a conversation with them.

    Am I the only one to notice this?
    07-05-2007 08:05 AM
  5. tirk's Avatar
    LOL.

    But they are better company than we were, not nearly so given to pouting, sulking, whining, and grudging one-word answers. You can actually have a conversation with them.

    Am I the only one to notice this?
    Not at all - mine are 17 & 22yo now, and really quite human
    07-05-2007 08:39 AM
  6. surur's Avatar
    Another priceless thread.

    bigmike20 07-03-2007 22:52

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    Iphone crashes CONSTANTLY!!!

    The phone crashed on the second day I bought it on using Google Maps.
    But since,it keeps on closing about most the applications:Ipod,Weather,Photos,Safari,Mails by bringing me back to the Home Screen.It does it the most when using the Ipod feature.It keeps on going back to the Home Screen again,and again,again...
    I am wondering if I got a defective one or not.Is that a bug?
    Should I return it?Is there like a Tech Support phone number I can call?Or maybe go straight to the Apple store I bought it at and hopefully get some help from a technician there?

    It's just annoying when you are in the middle of doing something and the phone just shut down that application you are using,than you gotta start all over again.
    Any help to my dilemma will be welcomed.
    Anyone else experienced this?

    mike772 07-03-2007 22:57

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    Go to the Apple Store, I have heard others got a swap right at the store.

    sfernald 07-03-2007 23:04

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    I had this problem. Do a reboot will fix it. (sleep + home)

    bigmike20 07-04-2007 00:42

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    Ok.I am gonna try to do that.Hopefully it will work.But am I gonna lose any data?

    Sylar 07-04-2007 00:56

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bigmike20
    Ok.I am gonna try to do that.Hopefully it will work.But am I gonna lose any data?


    Please report back once you do. I'm curious to see if this fixes your problem. Thanks.

    jhan1102 07-04-2007 01:00

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    I was just at the Apple store.. and same thing with their iphone. I thought they timed it so next person can use it.

    sfernald 07-04-2007 01:30

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    it worked for me. Safari and iPod were completely unstable. Didn't lose any data.

    dustboo 07-04-2007 01:37

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    I have this problem constantly. Safari and iPod crash whenever I'm using them... I reset my iPhone several times a day, and it seems to help for a while, but it doesn't take long before safari crashes again.

    I wish I lived near an apple store :[


    mashoutposse 07-04-2007 03:26

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    Certain sites will "crash" Safari. There are threads here that I can't enter because it will close the browser within 20 seconds of loading. Hopefully this will see a final resolution through software update soon.

    Megaman81 07-04-2007 03:36

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    HAHA! ROFLAMAO

    I love it!!! All their hype about their Glorious MAC OSX being stable just went down the drain! I guess its not better then windows mobile after all!

    farzonalmaneih 07-04-2007 03:43

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Megaman81
    HAHA! ROFLAMAO

    I love it!!! All their hype about their Glorious MAC OSX being stable just went down the drain! I guess its not better then windows mobile after all!



    It didn't crash!! It went to the home screen. That's a feature! :goodness:


    cliffr39 07-04-2007 03:58

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Megaman81
    HAHA! ROFLAMAO

    I love it!!! All their hype about their Glorious MAC OSX being stable just went down the drain! I guess its not better then windows mobile after all!


    lol
    the device doesn't crash just that app. but now how many years has WM been out comparatively? and from that first one, how long did it take them to get stability? IMO a few years actually. It's to be expected with any new device.

    xbox360gamer 07-04-2007 04:03

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    the sheer fact that my iPhone responds to my commands soooo much quicker than any WM phone I've used in the past outweighs the occasional Safari crashes here and there.

    period.

    kms-lai 07-04-2007 04:03

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xbox360gamer
    the sheer fact that my iPhone responds to my commands soooo much quicker than any WM phone I've used in the past outweighs the occasional Safari crashes here and there.

    period.



    actaully all the programs are already running in memory, that why it takes so long to boot and thats why your phone crashes constantly, it runs out of memory!. its like minimizing a window rather than closing it out completly. WM also can either minimize or close, if i minimize an application on my WM phone, i can switch back to it instantly like the iphone does.

    cali_kid2k 07-04-2007 04:23

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    nah I don't believe that. I think it's snappier because it has a good speedy processor (some reports 624mhz some report overclocked to 700... who knows but it's faster then the normal 312 and 400 devices) and more memory (I'm sure it is using the 4gb or 8gb since the 4 only gives you 3.5 free instead of the normal 3.7 after formatting)

    cliffr39 07-04-2007 04:24

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by x01HT
    actaully all the programs are already running in memory, that why it takes so long to boot and thats why your phone crashes constantly, it runs out of memory!. its like minimizing a window rather than closing it out completly. WM also can either minimize or close, if i minimize an application on my WM phone, i can switch back to it instantly like the iphone does.



    my phone crashes constantly? I said occasionally, not constantly.

    re-read my post again.

    cali_kid2k 07-04-2007 04:27

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    you can always "restore" the iPhone and load your data again via iTunes. That should cure any software problems you have.

    kms-lai 07-04-2007 04:50

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cali_kid2k
    so there will be a totally new version of iphone out only 3 months after the launch of the first?



    may be apple released the first one to test the market, and used ppl as lab rats, it seems the first version has too many problem, could be a rush job to get them out on the market.



    kms

    bigmike20 07-04-2007 05:01

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    I actually just Power Off the phone for like about 20 min.So far,everything seems working fine.Ipod seems to work without shutting down.

    x01HT 07-04-2007 05:12

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cliffr39
    nah I don't believe that. I think it's snappier because it has a good speedy processor (some reports 624mhz some report overclocked to 700... who knows but it's faster then the normal 312 and 400 devices) and more memory (I'm sure it is using the 4gb or 8gb since the 4 only gives you 3.5 free instead of the normal 3.7 after formatting)




    no its a samsung Arm 11 core that runs at a MAX of 620mhz however since the iphone gets around 8hrs talk, i suspect the OS scales it down to probably 100mhz when either in standby or just playing music.

    it will not run at 620mhz all the time just like any other phone or your batt life will be 2 hours

    624MHz is an Xscale intel CPU, apple does not use intel at all in their phone.

    CPU/Convergence chip is from samsung as well as the flash

    hekidnappedher 07-04-2007 05:38

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    I had an issue where every time I would visit ESPN.com with safari about 20-30 seconds into into loading the site, safari would close to the home screen. After this happening about 5 times, I turned off my iPhone and turned it back on. It solved the issue for me. Hope this helps.
    cali_kid2k 07-04-2007 07:55


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    ya i'm haveing this same problem when i'm usein maps it will go back to the home screen. if i'm useing ipod and safari at the same time even when i'm in google images the music will stop and it will eventually kick me back to the home screen. i'm going to exchange it any way tomorrow.

    mongoos150 07-04-2007 20:53

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by x01HT
    actaully all the programs are already running in memory, that why it takes so long to boot and thats why your phone crashes constantly, it runs out of memory!. its like minimizing a window rather than closing it out completly. WM also can either minimize or close, if i minimize an application on my WM phone, i can switch back to it instantly like the iphone does.

    Takes about 8 seconds to boot. Same as many NORMAL phones, shorter than smartphones.

    ninelife777 07-04-2007 20:59

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by therealest
    ya i'm haveing this same problem when i'm usein maps it will go back to the home screen. if i'm useing ipod and safari at the same time even when i'm in google images the music will stop and it will eventually kick me back to the home screen. i'm going to exchange it any way tomorrow.



    Have you tried "restore" the iPhone first in iTunes? Seems to be a software messed up. Might save you a trip to the Apple store.

    raysins 07-05-2007 02:31

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    Phone Froze while using Maps and now Stuck on Apple screen

    I purchased my iPhone Saturday and activation process was easy. Problem started when I set the Alarm. The Alarm did not go off because the phone froze and so I had to do a reset. Worked ok after that. That night I plugged it to the charger and when I woke up Phone was frozen again so , Again i had to reset (home key + power button, started up again but took a few minutes.
    Today , I was using maps and in the middle of the search my phone froze and after doing reset, Phone is stuck at the apple screen. It's been over 4 hours and apple logo is still on phone. I was going to reinstall to manufacturer settings when I got home and since it is stuck at startup apple logo, Itunes will not recognize phone. I ran out of options. So unless any of you have any other Ideas, I will be exchanging it to the Apple store i purchased fro tommorrow.

    wifinder 07-05-2007 03:29

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    I had this happen 5 times on 2 different iPhone displays at the Apple store today. I asked one of the sales people about it and he said that it was probably because lots of people were using it today and it got "junked up" and needs to be restarted. Not very encouraging that if I had one of these things I would have to constantly restart just so it doesn't keep jumping to back to the home screen. I was going to lookup this problem on google using the iMac right next to the iPhone, but it was totally locked up. I was going to restart it, but couldn't find the damn power button. So much for apple stuff being more stable than Windows/PC.

    mongoos150 07-05-2007 03:38

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    Couldn't find the power button? Wow...

    wifinder 07-05-2007 03:58

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mongoos150
    Couldn't find the power button? Wow...




    Your way of avoiding the fact that these things lock up I guess. I am not a Mac user, so where is it? I didn't see one on the front, right side, left side, top. I guess I should have just unplugged it.

    mongoos150 07-05-2007 04:05

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    Its the only button on the top of the phone. The big black button.

    xbox360gamer 07-05-2007 04:09

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mongoos150
    Its the only button on the top of the phone. The big black button.



    he was looking for the power button on the iMac. not the iPhone.

    maybe you should stop rolling your eyes at this guy and double read his posts so you can keep your foot out of your mouth.

    wifinder 07-05-2007 04:18

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xbox360gamer
    he was looking for the power button on the iMac. not the iPhone.

    maybe you should stop rolling your eyes at this guy and double read his posts so you can keep your foot out of your mouth.




    Exactly. Thank you.


    I suppose the "I guess I should have just unplugged it" in my last post did not quite make it clear enough.

    wifinder 07-05-2007 04:40

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    So where is the power button on the iMac anyway?

    grdella 07-05-2007 05:09


    mongoos150 07-05-2007 05:13

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wifinder
    Exactly. Thank you.


    I suppose the "I guess I should have just unplugged it" in my last post did not quite make it clear enough.


    Apologies for not understanding you were talking about the iMac - though the power button on the iMac isn't hard to find either. Rear left hand corner of the machine.

    Devori 07-05-2007 06:37

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    Dont forget that this is a mini computer.. you can clear the history, cache and cookies!! try that before thinking its a buggy software..

    sliaa 07-05-2007 06:56

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    Actually it DOES have Intel chips inside

    The NOR flash memory that holds the program execution is from Intel.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by x01HT
    no its a samsung Arm 11 core that runs at a MAX of 620mhz however since the iphone gets around 8hrs talk, i suspect the OS scales it down to probably 100mhz when either in standby or just playing music.

    it will not run at 620mhz all the time just like any other phone or your batt life will be 2 hours

    624MHz is an Xscale intel CPU, apple does not use intel at all in their phone.

    CPU/Convergence chip is from samsung as well as the flash



    dre99gsx 07-05-2007 11:57

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    I held an iPhone at the apple store yesterday, was "stalled" halfway into loading a website. None of the keys worked, and the phone wouldn't turn off no matter what you did. Apple store guy said would just have to wait for the battery to die.
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1193644




    Surur
    07-05-2007 08:57 AM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I read over at Engadget that AT&T is claiming a million iPhone activations.

    Assuming these are all retail and not online orders, someone please explain how they sold 250,000 every day for 4 days (I know, technically 4.25 days).

    If Apple made $300-400M gross margin in 4 days, congrats and I will buy the stock. But this just smells of hyping.

    It also would be the fastest selling $500+ device in the history of the world.

    I call bull****, esp. given that you don't see many peole on the street with them.
    07-05-2007 09:05 AM
  8. cardfan's Avatar
    All their stores are sold out. I don't think its BS. Apple did a great job and others jumped to hype it. It's a nice looking phone.
    07-05-2007 09:50 AM
  9. mikec#IM's Avatar
    All their stores are sold out. I don't think its BS. Apple did a great job and others jumped to hype it. It's a nice looking phone.
    Actually, I think it's bs...althought the source is a "blogger" with just posting info and no proof.

    http://www.waitingforiphone.com/2007...llion-iphones/

    This line had me puzzled:

    “Apple has been a pain to work with,” the ATT source was quoted to say. “They were so secretive about the iPhone they only released the final activation API to us the day of the launch. Most people didn’t even know they were activating through ATT with iTunes and not through Apple.”

    Now, bash Apple all you want, but they are not stupid. Anyone who has done software development, telecomm provisioning, etc. knows this statements is complete poppycock. It's called testing people, and telcos (and Apple), despite what you may think, do not release products without an end-to-end live test. API released that day? Highly, highly improbable.

    I still say the million unit mark as of Tuesday is inflated. Someone wants to say the magic phrase "1 million in a week".

    Apple made 10% of their gross margin for the year in 4 days? (compared to 2006; I know the final numbers for the year will push this number down).
    I just can't make the math add up.

    Maybe I need an RDF.
    07-05-2007 10:41 AM
  10. oalvarez's Avatar
    LOL, just pull the battery out and put it back in. That'll reset it good.
    Oh wait, what's that? You can't take the battery out? Hmm, I guess you have no way to reboot it then eh?
    oh the sarcasm!!!

    in all seriousness, you can reboot the device by a single push of a button.

    regards
    07-05-2007 11:01 AM
  11. oalvarez's Avatar
    I read over at Engadget that AT&T is claiming a million iPhone activations.

    Assuming these are all retail and not online orders, someone please explain how they sold 250,000 every day for 4 days (I know, technically 4.25 days).

    If Apple made $300-400M gross margin in 4 days, congrats and I will buy the stock. But this just smells of hyping.

    It also would be the fastest selling $500+ device in the history of the world.

    I call bull****, esp. given that you don't see many peole on the street with them.

    500,00 units out of a US population of 300million? i could see why it might be tough to find people with them on the streets.
    07-05-2007 11:07 AM
  12. whmurray's Avatar
    ...........Apple made 10% of their gross margin for the year in 4 days? (compared to 2006; I know the final numbers for the year will push this number down).

    I just can't make the math add up.

    Maybe I need an RDF.
    The stock market seems to believe it. If one has a 100 shs of Apple stock, it has paid fof the iPhone this week.
    07-05-2007 11:08 AM
  13. shopharim's Avatar
    I read over at Engadget that AT&T is claiming a million iPhone activations.

    Assuming these are all retail and not online orders, someone please explain how they sold 250,000 every day for 4 days (I know, technically 4.25 days).

    If Apple made $300-400M gross margin in 4 days, congrats and I will buy the stock. But this just smells of hyping.

    It also would be the fastest selling $500+ device in the history of the world.

    I call bull****, esp. given that you don't see many peole on the street with them.
    I guess the question is, what is an "activation"? If they are measured in hits to the activiation website, then 1M seems reasonable--recognizing that some people may have made multiple attempts. If they are saying there are 1M iphones active and in circulation, that is impressive.
    07-05-2007 11:12 AM
  14. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Are people reporting these bugs to Apple or on Apple's forums? Maybe they'll release a firmware update if so.

    All these crash reports lend support to the "never buy the first release" belief.
    07-05-2007 11:20 AM
  15. oalvarez's Avatar
    Phone Diva, i know you're smarter than this; don't believe everything you read in this silly thread.

    if you ask any of us owners who post here will tell you that we still yet to experience a crash, or at least i'm fairly certain of it.

    i'm not sure if it was your concern or not but navigating is simple once you learn the finger taps (they are posted on Apple's iPhone web page as are the instructionals/faq's, etc).

    regards
    07-05-2007 11:29 AM
  16. oalvarez's Avatar
    I still say the million unit mark as of Tuesday is inflated. Someone wants to say the magic phrase "1 million in a week".
    you questioned Goldman Sachs' integrity in regards to their 700,000 sales estimate. actually, you said they had lost their integrity.

    given the 1mm estimates that are circulating, are you going to grant them their integrity back? or were they so heineously wrong with their level?
    07-05-2007 11:38 AM
  17. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    These reports are coming from other forums, including Apple's own. I was over there. There has to be something to it. Perhaps you cannot multi-task too much or whatever, but something is making phones crash.
    07-05-2007 11:39 AM
  18. whmurray's Avatar
    Phone Diva, i know you're smarter than this; don't believe everything you read in this silly thread.

    if you ask any of us owners who post here will tell you that we still yet to experience a crash, or at least i'm fairly certain of it.

    i'm not sure if it was your concern or not but navigating is simple once you learn the finger taps (they are posted on Apple's iPhone web page as are the instructionals/faq's, etc).

    regards
    i am not absolutely certain but I don't think I have had anything like a crash.
    07-05-2007 11:42 AM
  19. oalvarez's Avatar
    These reports are coming from other forums, including Apple's own. I was over there. There has to be something to it. Perhaps you cannot multi-task too much or whatever, but something is making phones crash.
    i don't disbelieve what you are saying. i'm sure you can find many here who have problems with their Treos even today let alone when they first came to market. my experience to now has been zero crashes. let me try making the device do all sorts of things at once and i'll get right back to you.

    regards
    07-05-2007 11:43 AM
  20. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Safari and iPod running together seem to crash on quite a few people. But I wouldn't test it if I were you!

    Mail app also crashes for some. Or causes the PC(when trying to sync) to crash.
    07-05-2007 11:47 AM
  21. oalvarez's Avatar
    Safari and iPod running together seem to crash on quite a few people. But I wouldn't test it if I were you!

    Mail app also crashes for some. Or causes the PC(when trying to sync) to crash.
    ok. playing a song, have google maps open, i opened email, attached a photo and sent it, and have 3 different browser tabs open.

    no crash.

    i know, i know, 1 out of 1 million, right?

    regards

    ps: have synch'd numerous times now with my PC and zero crashes.
    07-05-2007 11:59 AM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    500,00 units out of a US population of 300million? i could see why it might be tough to find people with them on the streets.
    But with a majority of sales in SF Bay Area and NYC, you'd think there'd be a lot out there....
    07-05-2007 12:01 PM
  23. mikec#IM's Avatar
    The stock market seems to believe it. If one has a 100 shs of Apple stock, it has paid fof the iPhone this week.
    No doubt there....stock up...
    07-05-2007 12:02 PM
  24. surur's Avatar
    Oalvarez, are you implying either I or those posters are making up those threads? DESPITE your own experience you are going to have to accept the device does crash, and for some people quite a lot.

    Surur
    07-05-2007 12:18 PM
  25. stroths's Avatar
    Every phone with a more complex OS like the iPhone, Treoes, other WM Phones, etc can and will crash. The iPhone will likely crash less than the others for now. The WM and PalmOS phones often crash because of some 3rd party software. Of course, we all know this.
    07-05-2007 12:20 PM
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