1. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Doesn't bode well for the Treo that people are even more interested in bashing another device, LOL! If people forget about you altogether almost, bad sign. This shows the iPhone stays in people's minds and even if it gets bashed, it means the visibility is high.
    08-29-2007 07:32 PM
  2. oalvarez's Avatar
    Diva beat me to it! Good stuff, couldn't have said it better myself.

    Welcome Surur & Co.
    08-29-2007 08:51 PM
  3. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    OK all you one handed junkies: I text a lot and was able to text one handed, although not my preference. Auto correction also helped a bit, LOL! One(or two depending on how you look at it) good thing about the iPhone!
    08-30-2007 02:19 AM
  4. oalvarez's Avatar
    Diva, the internet/media experience is its best offering (imho). Have you spent anytime using such? Have you enjoyed web browsing and watching a video or two, or have you yet to try?

    Enjoy
    08-30-2007 07:22 AM
  5. vinman's Avatar
    Lame to move the thread...

    Guess they couldn't have one of the most popular theads on TC being non-Treo related.

    Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I guess the irony was just too much!

    That, or they were hoping to get rid of all of surur's negativity
    :stick:
    08-30-2007 09:54 AM
  6. vinman's Avatar
    OK all you one handed junkies: I text a lot and was able to text one handed, although not my preference. Auto correction also helped a bit, LOL! One(or two depending on how you look at it) good thing about the iPhone!
    Diva, I guess you have short fingernails? My wife doesn't have long nails by any stretch of the imagination, but she does have a hard time typing on my iPhone with any success.

    Like you, I have no problem typing one handed when I need to. A non-issue as far as I'm concerned.
    08-30-2007 09:57 AM
  7. cmaier's Avatar
    OK all you one handed junkies: I text a lot and was able to text one handed, although not my preference. Auto correction also helped a bit, LOL! One(or two depending on how you look at it) good thing about the iPhone!
    I assume you've also found you can generally browse (thanks to double-tap) one-handed. I didn't wade into the oalverez/mikec (i think that's who it was) discussion on one-handed use 50 pages back, but I've found the phone to be only slightly less useable in one hand than was my treo 650. On both phones I find two hands to be a better choice, however.
    08-30-2007 09:58 AM
  8. whmurray's Avatar
    Doesn't bode well for the Treo .........
    What does bode well for the Treo these days? Can you give us a little hope?
    08-30-2007 10:16 AM
  9. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Diva, the internet/media experience is its best offering (imho). Have you spent anytime using such? Have you enjoyed web browsing and watching a video or two, or have you yet to try?

    Enjoy
    Remember I said I had the other day. I enjoyed it a lot, maybe a bit too much. I wasn't completely kidding about the "slacking off" comment, LOL!
    08-30-2007 11:12 AM
  10. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    What does bode well for the Treo these days? Can you give us a little hope?
    Palm may have actually listened to Engadget's letter?
    08-30-2007 11:14 AM
  11. oalvarez's Avatar
    I didn't wade into the oalverez/mikec (i think that's who it was) discussion on one-handed use 50 pages back, .
    for the record, i believe it to have been mobileman/mikec

    i personally don't have a strong opinion on the subject matter. i can easily do some actions one-handed and others are more comfortable/effective with two-hand use.
    08-30-2007 12:21 PM
  12. archie's Avatar
    It's not surprising his comments are false or mistaken...remeber, he claimed wi-fi and bluetooth couldn't work together on the chipset used by Treos (a completely wrong statement).
    mikec, you are incorrect. I'm sorry to be publically embarrassing you and ruining your supposed forum credibility but you said:

    "As for chipsets, the Intel chipset in the 650 could support both BT and Wi-Fi...Intel themselves said so! So again, you are completely wrong."

    Incorrect. Please note that this chipset is not Intel. It is labeled as BCM2035B made by Broadcom Corporation. If you check, you will see this is NOT capable of interoperating with wi-fi.
    08-30-2007 12:28 PM
  13. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Diva, I guess you have short fingernails? My wife doesn't have long nails by any stretch of the imagination, but she does have a hard time typing on my iPhone with any success.

    Like you, I have no problem typing one handed when I need to. A non-issue as far as I'm concerned.
    Yes, due to typing a lot on the computer anyway, it's easier to have shorter nails. I used to have claws(made by acrylic), but those days are over, LOL!

    Your wife shouldn't hit with her nail, but with the skin fingertip. I did that too and got no response, it needs skin contact. It'll be a challenge in winter. Of course I'm looking into headsets that will work. There's a Sony headset praised in another thread on TC, wonder it that would work. Although iPhone has no A2DP, I think.
    08-30-2007 12:34 PM
  14. archie's Avatar
    Oh, this is why Archie is back...


    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=150154

    I guess its actually we who are back in Archie's Apple-loving backyard now

    Surur
    For the record, first I posted.. then they moved the thread.

    And yes, it is you who is in my backyard now, so thanks for taking note and don't forget it.



    You can always spot the pioneers, because they're the ones one with the arrows in their backs.
    08-30-2007 12:42 PM
  15. archie's Avatar
    for the record, i believe it to have been mobileman/mikec

    i personally don't have a strong opinion on the subject matter. i can easily do some actions one-handed and others are more comfortable/effective with two-hand use.
    Let's not forget, sometime before this "50-pages back one-handed discussion" (yeh, right, like I'm gonna read this whole thread) it was I that was derided and discounted for being the first to say that the iPhone would be easy to use one-handed.

    Oh, and I also seem to remember that no one believed that you could type faster on an iPhone than the Treo. Of course this is now revealed in many favorable iPhone reviews that are available on the net.

    I'll stop tooting my own horn now but it seems I was right about a great many things.
    08-30-2007 12:50 PM
  16. cmaier's Avatar
    And wrong about so many more.
    08-30-2007 01:26 PM
  17. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Let's not forget, sometime before this "50-pages back one-handed discussion" (yeh, right, like I'm gonna read this whole thread) it was I that was derided and discounted for being the first to say that the iPhone would be easy to use one-handed.

    Oh, and I also seem to remember that no one believed that you could type faster on an iPhone than the Treo. Of course this is now revealed in many favorable iPhone reviews that are available on the net.

    I'll stop tooting my own horn now but it seems I was right about a great many things.
    IMO it's safer to use 2 hands while walking down the street, unless you have a rubber grip case. I just was one handed because I was sitting down in a safe spot. But now that I know I can do it, I may start looking for a good rubber case again.

    I wouldn't necessarily say it's faster than a hard QWERTY keyboard though. But it is as easy as one.
    08-30-2007 02:02 PM
  18. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I assume you've also found you can generally browse (thanks to double-tap) one-handed. I didn't wade into the oalverez/mikec (i think that's who it was) discussion on one-handed use 50 pages back, but I've found the phone to be only slightly less useable in one hand than was my treo 650. On both phones I find two hands to be a better choice, however.
    I beleive that was mobileman, not oalvarez.

    On another topic, is anyone use "grip" stickers on thier iPhone? I would think this is heresey to mar up the beauty of the device, but I recall a bunch of Treo folks used them after butterfinger jones made a visit to them.
    08-30-2007 02:08 PM
  19. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Palm may have actually listened to Engadget's letter?
    Ed read the letter, and proceed to wipe his tush with it. And then he lit up another cigar with a $100 bill.

    And then they replied saying "oh, we hear ya and it will be better".

    I spoke with Ed a couple times at launch events...he has no business running a lemonade stand let aone Palm.

    It's too bad, as the Treo device/platform could be soooo much more.
    08-30-2007 02:12 PM
  20. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Egrips has some, they are "interesting" though. http://www.egrips.com/product_info.p...ucts_id=270190

    I think a slim rubber skin case would be nicer. But forget the Incase one!
    08-30-2007 02:15 PM
  21. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I spoke with Ed a couple times at launch events...he has no business running a lemonade stand let aone Palm.

    It's too bad, as the Treo device/platform could be soooo much more.
    Is he really that bad?
    08-30-2007 02:17 PM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    mikec, you are incorrect. I'm sorry to be publically embarrassing you and ruining your supposed forum credibility but you said:

    "As for chipsets, the Intel chipset in the 650 could support both BT and Wi-Fi...Intel themselves said so! So again, you are completely wrong."

    Incorrect. Please note that this chipset is not Intel. It is labeled as BCM2035B made by Broadcom Corporation. If you check, you will see this is NOT capable of interoperating with wi-fi.
    They aren't my words, they are yours. Do you need to be shown your are wrong again? TIme does not erase facts:

    http://forum.phonedifferent.com/show...ight=lifedrive

    Last two pages goes through the info for those interested.

    You are wrong with a capital W. Accept it and move on.

    As for the Broadcom comment, this doesn't preclude the use of BT and Wi-Fi - Palm could have done it with different radios - it was not a CPU chipet (Intel) limitation, which was the whole point.

    Welcome back, my red-headed stepchild.
    08-30-2007 02:47 PM
  23. mikec#IM's Avatar
    For the record, first I posted.. then they moved the thread.

    And yes, it is you who is in my backyard now, so thanks for taking note and don't forget it.



    You can always spot the pioneers, because they're the ones one with the arrows in their backs.
    You can also spot the cowards that way too...
    08-30-2007 02:48 PM
  24. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Let's not forget, sometime before this "50-pages back one-handed discussion" (yeh, right, like I'm gonna read this whole thread) it was I that was derided and discounted for being the first to say that the iPhone would be easy to use one-handed.

    Oh, and I also seem to remember that no one believed that you could type faster on an iPhone than the Treo. Of course this is now revealed in many favorable iPhone reviews that are available on the net.

    I'll stop tooting my own horn now but it seems I was right about a great many things.
    I'd like to see these predictions, as you claim them, but have nothing to back it up.

    If you read a bit (instead of making excuses), you'd see the context of the one handed discussion, specifically around web surfing.

    And as far as typing faster on the iPhone vs Treo, I have seen nothing that shows this to be the case. I think most will agree they are faster with the physical keypad.

    But keep claiming you were right all along. We will beleive you as we hand you the meds and the small paper cup.
    08-30-2007 02:52 PM
  25. archie's Avatar
    Let's review one of your posts in which you go off on me being wrong (in red) about so many things.

    Look, I should start out by saying i'm ordering two iphones on-line tonight, but your list is pretty bad.

    Only phone that's completely Mac friendly. In todays market, this probably should be considered revolutionary (only feature to be read with a snide remark).

    Can you be more specific? How does the mac interface with iphone differently than with other phones? There are no other phones that can sync to a mac?
    No other phone can sync media to a Mac like the iPhone.
    Plus it will sync things like the notes field in the address book along with all the other stuff including call logs, SMS messages, and most all of the stuff in the Settings app. This Mac friendly aspect I speak of will become even more apparent upon Leopard's release.

    First and only phone to provide a revolutionary multi-touch interface
    1. Two-finger stretching gesture
    2. Two-finger tap-to-zoom out gesture
    3. Two-finger pinching gesture
    4. One-finger double-tap-to-zoom in gesture
    5. One-finger scrolling gesture
    6. One-finger flicking gesture
    7. One-finger swiping/sweeping (depends on the context) gesture



    Several of the one-finger gestures you mention above exist in some programs on my treo 650. True, they are not all supported system-wide, however.
    I did not actually mention one finger tap and one finger dragging of the scroll bar because these obviously do not differentiate the iPhone. Are there other gestures that I did not become aware of in the 3 weeks that I used the 650 other than these two that I specifically did not mention.

    Again, not ONE of those seven gestures I mention are available on the Treo, to say NOTHING of several.

    Revolutionary fingertip editing lets you touch and hold the screen to get a zoomed in area of text for precise cursor placement with your finger.

    True, but that's only needed because there is no physical keypad. So it's more like compensation for lack of a feature than it is a feature in its own right.
    Are you saying you never edit text? Or are you choosing to ignore the D-Pads and the trackballs inferior and more time-consuming process of precise cursor placement? Your assumption that this unique feature is provided to compensate for the iPhones keyboard is illogical. Especially when you consider that many reports and reviews say they can best their Treo (or whatever) typing after a mere week.

    Revolutionary keyboard - I know a little bit about what they are doing to make this unique keyboard a success. Every little space on that screen is tracking and measuring and relating to every other little space. There is a great deal of processing power required JUST for the simple act of typing. And reading how your finger hits the screen and what part of your finger hits first and the total amount of space that it hits all in an effort to account for inaccuracies. There is a lot of research that has been done here. They even take into account a person's inability to accurately predict what part of their finger actually hits the screen. It seems that we fail to take into account the curve of our finger and how it actually hits the screen based on the overhead view we have in watching the screen as we type. Then of course there is the software based auto-correcting type of feature that analyzes which keys you MIGHT have meant to hit and figures out the word you wanted. And then of course word prediction. To this end, word prediction itself is also used in conjunction with a process of dynamically enlarging tap zones behind the scenes for virtually larger keys.

    Ditto. If it had a physical keypad it wouldn't need all this stuff.
    To say that text prediction, auto-correcting is not needed on any phone is thick-headed and well... incorrect.

    Also, it would be nice if the "revolutionary keyboard" had period, comma (at the very least) on the main keyboard
    Let's not forget the famous comma/period typing hint of David Pogue.

    And if you recall, I revealed that the keyboard worked on a finger release action far ahead of David Pogue's famous comma/period hint, far ahead of the iPhones release and far ahead of anyone.

    Revolutionary visual and user interface cues serve most appropriately.

    Is that an English sentence? Yes, the interface is cool (is that what you are trying to say?)
    Sorry, written a little to formal I suppose.
    But what I was trying to say was not that the interface was cool (though it is) but the interface is appropriate. It has hints and visual movement that makes it easy to understand what is happening and puts everything in context. Something that is very much needed when considering the limited screen size of a handheld. Something that is very appropriate for the humble beginnings of a simple device such as the phone of Alexander Graham Bell days.

    Only phone to have a revolutionary one-button design - that lone button on the bottom of the phone will take you back to the home screen, provide quick accessibility to the iPhone's list of applications, provide a quick escape from the depths of any application or settings screen and act as a clean up/clean start tool - all with one quick press.

    It actually has more than one button (sleep, etc.) But why is "one-button" so great? Would a tv remote with one button be good? Is the mac mouse with one button great? I'd rather have TWO buttons, at least - with one dedicated to answering/hanging up the phone.
    Perhaps you should consider reading the manual for more specific options that provide flexibility in answering and hanging up the iPhone.

    Only phone to employ context sensitive scroll bars that only appear when needed. No valuable screen real-estate is taken away and it is cleanly implemented.

    Not even a little bit true. Palm has had this for years. The scroll arrows appear only when needed.
    You are not understanding what I am saying here. After having used the iPhone, you should know what I AM saying though. For those that have not used the iPhone, I will explain. A scroll bar only appears when the content is being scrolled through, and then fades away when scrolling has stopped. The reason for this is to maintain as much screen real-estate as possible. This is not what other manufacturers do. There is also the needlessly complicated aspect of having extra junk on the screen for no reasonit is an understood aspect on the iPhone that anything is scrollable (if there is no extra content to reveal in scrolling it simply snaps back gently into place) so there does not need to be any sort of graphical reminder to tell you that you need to scroll.


    Only phone to have a large 3.5 inch screen which utilizes every pixel for the camera view screen.

    I believe that. Though i'd rather have better picture quality than a nice viewfinder.
    And now, after having used one, you have to admit, it is simple the most beautiful screen you have ever seen.

    In a revolutionary move, Apple incorporates a high resolution, 160 pixel per inch screen that provides the most readable text (fonts) of any handheld device ever made. To explain, Apple uses a sub-pixel display technology algorithm that preserves the design of the typeface. Other OSes force the letter shapes into pixel boundaries to prevent blur and improve readability, but at high resolutions like 160 pixels per inch, this methodology suffers; and as a result, the true typeface character is lost. This results in two strikes against the other's methodology, which is designed for the lower resolution screens. Thank you resolution independence.

    1) where'd you get this info?
    I've been enveloped by this stuff since college. It is technology that a multimedia designer comes to know about.

    2) how is "sub-pixel display technology" different than ClearType (which is a "sub-pixel display technology").
    Apple's sub-pixel display technology algorithm preserves the design of the typeface. ClearType forces the letter shapes into pixel boundaries in an effort to prevent blur and improve readability, but at high resolutions like 160 pixels per inch, this methodology suffers; and as a result, the true typeface character is lost.

    3) "most readable...of any handheld device ever made" - I assume you mean just phones. And how do you know it is more readable than a palm *p with 320x320 resolution on a smaller screen?
    Because I have held both in my hand at the same time.

    Thinnest "smartphone" available anywhere (and no big protrusions).

    Doubt it, but whatever.
    If you doubt it, you must have a hint of another smartphone that is thinner. What is it? I have been unable to locate one here.

    Only phone manufacturer to write and support the revolutionary software for provisioning AND revocation. In fact, they have their own provisioning servers. The benefits are many but it quite obviously saves time and allows the consumer to activate without hassle from Sales people.

    Don't know if it will save time (on my previous sprint phones, i provisioned over the air by phone within minutes of calling), but I'm all for this change.
    OK

    Apple provides the quickest method available to accomplish phone number transfers. Only server software to accomplish phone number transfers in 3 minutes rather than 3 days. This too can be accomplished in the privacy of your own home.

    Even apple says it can take "hours" on their web site, not "minutes." Which is how long it generally takes for everyone else too (nightmare stories notwithstanding.)
    This is not what reports are saying.

    Only phone (mobile device) made that gives access to streaming and scalable content from YouTube

    Other than any other phone with a web browser.
    No other phone with a web browser will give you "streaming" content from YouTube that is "scalable" to boot. THAT is the benefit you are missing. Why would Apple bother including the YouTube application if it didn't hold any benefit? They already have Safari on the iPhone, soooooo.... they could have just provided the same kind of access as every other phone browser. But they didn't.

    Only phone to support open source, standards-based CalDAV calendaring solution for workgroups.

    Also not true.
    OK, the release isn't official yet but it will be.

    Subscription accounting for a phone to account for upgrades and additions over the course of 2 years. A promise and dedication.

    Perhaps you could rephrase this in English?
    ummm... how about this:
    Apple uses subscription based accounting for the iPhone to account for continual upgrades and additions over the course of a 2 year time period. It is a promise and a dedication that the iPhone will be continually made better because they are voluntarily binding themselves by law to do so.

    First phone to not be subsidized through carrier. No rebate crap or distracting hand waving to save money in voice and data plans. No game or hoops to jump through. Just straight business.

    Heh heh. You have to be kidding. You think it's GOOD that you have to pay full price, and then have to pay $175 if you return it? That's funny.
    What's funny is that you think only iPhone customers are charged $175 for breaking a contract. This is not the case. Anybody that breaks a contract, regardless of phone, has to pay $175. If you return the iPhone within 14 days and the package was opened, there is a 10% restocking fee but you do not have to pay a $175 cancellation fee.

    Only phone that doesn't have carrier logos plastered all over it.

    No it's not. Just buy any unlocked phone. Palm has been selling them that way for years.
    $150-$200 extra is not worth it in my mind to have a phone free of logos. But Apple new that is what we wanted and so made it available without getting upcharged.

    First company to actually sell a phone based on a subscription model and not a subsidy model. They don't leave the customer with an iPhone that grows progressively more obsolete over two years. Instead, they will release updates and applications that users can download to customize and enhance their phone. No fake promises like other phone manufacturers. They have no reason to upgrade the phone and the software because it is already sold, and they rarely do. When they do offer a firmware upgrade, it proves to be so difficult to perform that many never do it. And many never realize they can. Apple's unique approach assures its availability to all.

    I hope so, but history is not on your side. I have an ipod photo, and as soon as the next generation came out, no more updates (of note).
    This is ridiculous: there were many very important updates that have been released since then. Like the one adding 35% battery life, or the one adding search capabilities, or the one allowing direct digital-camera transfers of photos...

    ...the list goes on and on.

    Apple is the only company that has designed a mobile smartphone for service provider but catering to the customer rather than the provider.

    Gibberish.
    I think not! I rather like not having Bluetooth crippled, or wi-fi crippled (or just plain eliminated/ignored so the carrier can continue making money of expensive data plans that don't provide near the speed), or being charged 15 per SMS, or getting industry leading voicemail capabilities without any extra charges or hoops to jump through... etc, etc.

    Only phone to provide seamless switching between EDGE and Wi-Fi. Continual surveying of wi-fi availability. Previously joined networks can be set up to quietly, seamless and automatically connected to.

    Maybe true. Anyone know if it supports wpa/tkip? Leap?
    Yes it is true. And yes, it supports WAP and WAP2 and TKIP authentication. I said as much long before the iPhone came out but no one believed me. Oh, its also kinda nice that the iPhone acts as a wi-fi tracker. No other phone can do that.

    Only phone manufacturer ever to influence a carrier to expand time slots available to data services network.

    I suppose.
    The stability and reliability and security that comes with OS X and LLVM.

    Um. A complicated operating system is going to be a lot less secure and reliable than a special-purpose operating system, dude. And i've written an OS or two, so I'd know.
    whatever

    Don't you think that with such an intense level of hacking the iPhone and all the attention that the phone has garnered that we would have seen a virus by now if the phone WASN'T secure?

    Incredible scrolling with rubber band effects mirroring real physics effects provide for easy recognition and virtual orientation (eh, its easy to follow and understand what is going on).

    I believe you are repeating your previous user interface argument.
    I have not mentioned this yet. Yes, gestures are part of the interface but obviously not the same thing as the immediate availability of scrolling with real physics effects that the iPhone provides.

    Revolutionary web interface helps to provide THE BEST overall smartphone browsing experience.

    Arguably.
    For example, take a look at drop-down menus (those <select> elements). Choosing the right option is difficult on any other mobile browser because they are so close together. But on the iPhone, you get a roller-type interface element like that seen when choosing a date or time in the calendar app or the alarm clock app. It allows for easy selection of choices using the flicking gesture to scroll. It also automatically zooms in on text fields, has automatic bookmark syncing, supports vertical and landscape modes (both left AND right), RSS reader support, uses tab pages with a full screen preview... the list goes on and on and you are oblivious.

    Easiest conference call management I have ever seen.

    I don't know what you "have ever seen" but I get your point.
    You are discounting this by doubting what I have seen. Is this something you want to discuss/argue. Should I verbalize the experience for you?

    Revolutionary conference call management provides the most flexibility of any smartphone available. Connect up to 6 people easily. Even set up sub-conferencing.

    ditto
    So does that mean you want to argue the point or are you acknowledging that I was right. :-)

    Coolest implementation of Google Maps I have ever seen.

    on a phone, i assume? I'd trade the prettyness for the gps of the blackberry, though.
    No doubt you are not aware of how far Apple and Google have taken this implementation. It goes so far as to provide step by step driving directions, just like a GPS system would.

    Only phone available that has a context sensitive keyboard that pops up only when needed and adapts functionality based on situation; no need to request the keyboard. This is extremely useful and really well done.

    Not true. My old windows mobile device popped up softkeyboards (or handwriting boxes) when needed, based on the situation.
    But you are ignoring that it adapts to the situation, which I know that the Windows Mobile devices did NOT do.

    Only mobile phone to incorporate revolutionary concepts like "touching your music" and "Visual Voicemail" (random access). Greatly improves usability.

    Yeah, again with the user interface.
    Visual Voicemail is a feature and is not considered to be part of the interface.

    Only phone to have voice mail scrubbing. Lets you scrub through the voice mail timeline to quickly get to where you want.

    You are restating what you just said.
    No, I am not. Having the ability to actively scrub through a voicemail in realtime is a completely different feature than the immediate and random access to any one of your individual voicemails.

    Revolutionary method of having voice mail sent to you - like push e-mail. You can listen to and review your voice mail on a train or on a plane, without the need of carrier reception.

    Is that true?
    Yes.

    Revolutionary "Coverflow" browsing of music and media. Plus, you can flick an album and it spins around to reveal the song list to choose from on the back... just like physical albums.

    Yes, very cool. But, again, "user interface."
    Yes, this is part of the UI, but it is worth mentioning that it is an intuitive method of interacting with your music. It is a unique UI element not seen anywhere else.

    Revolutionary, context sensitive, smoothly transforming control surfaces provide an intuitive user interface.

    How many ways are you going to say "user interface?"
    This is annoying. This is the first time I have brought up the smoothly transforming control surfaces. Why can't you acknowledge these aspects of the iPhone as being unique?

    Only phone to support such a wide variety of media formats out of the box: AAC, Protected AAC, MP3, VBR, Audible (formats 1, 2, and 3), Apple Lossless, AIFF, WAV, H.264 video, multiple levels of LC H.264 Baseline, MPEG-4 video and of course .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats.

    Audio: nice selection
    Video: crap selection
    You call .mov, m4v (.mP4), MPEG-4 and h.264 a crap selection.
    Oh brother!

    Only smartphone to have antenna located in the back part of the phone at the very bottom. Very considerate for those with radiation concerns. Never understood why manufacturers continue placing the antenna as close to your head as possible.

    As an electrical engineer, and as someone who's brain actually fills his entire head, I can assure you this makes little difference.
    As recommended by the FCC (not regulated) 5/8" is just a little difference yes, BUT when you consider that Palm's placement of the antenna forces it to be directly nestled against your skull (ignoring recommendations) regardless of internal or external antenna models and then consider Apple's iPhone places the antenna 2 inches from your jaw, THAT is a BIG difference.


    Only phone to have entire screen faade flat so that it can be quickly and simply wiped clean with its unique edgeless, no-bezel design. This is to say nothing of the specially selected glass finish chosen to reduce finger prints.

    Prada? Also, it needs to have special glass because most other phones are not designed to be touched with fingers. I don't give them credit for fixing a problem they introduced in the first place.
    Only phone to have a glass screen encompassing the entire front surface for higher scratch resistance as well as improved optical clarity.

    Repeat
    Revolutionary battery technology will provide up to 6 hours of internet use, 7 hours of video playback, 8 hours of talk time, 24 hours of audio playback, 250 hours of standby time This is unbelievable performance.

    My current phone will go longer than that, except for audio playback.
    I doubt that very much. Unless you are including some extra battery pack/add on type thing.

    Revolutionary approach in attracting developers based on AJAX has proven to attract the largest developer crowd ever for a single device.

    I believe palm, symbian, and windows mobile all have larger "developer crowds" at this juncture, dude. And from an engineering and use perspective, having to do everything over the network is horrible. I can't even play solitaire on the thing unless i write an application to deal with every move over the network? ridiculous.
    [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]I'm talking about instantly making every web developer an iPhone developer. Time seems to have provs that are availble now.[/COLOR]

    Only smartphone to ever incorporate such a high number of great ideas and processes assembled into one device. It has proven to make the iPhone into what many critics, writers, analysts and consumers consider high-tech jewelry that holds an incredible allure.
    08-30-2007 03:31 PM
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