1. tirk's Avatar
    I am old and I drink. What can I tell you?
    Me too, but I have [...checks...] 59GB of music.

    I just bought an appliance to convert those to digital.
    P2P could have done that for free :evil:
    08-25-2007 08:36 AM
  2. tirk's Avatar
    True but because we have wifi, we at least know what it would look like if it was 3G.
    Ah yes, WiFi. I've used Palms for so long I'd forgotten about Wifi! :cry:
    08-25-2007 08:38 AM
  3. whmurray's Avatar
    Ah yes, WiFi. I've used Palms for so long I'd forgotten about Wifi! :cry:
    I argued here that we did not need Wi-Fi for Treos. 3G is ubiquitous and fast enough. I use Sprint/EVDO for my PC to the exclusion of WiFi (except at home).

    As an iPhone/EDGE user I am finding that WiFi is much more widely deployed and useful than I would have expected. Most of the WiFi that my iPhone discovers is closed but there is still enough that is open as to be useful.

    While the impact of WiFi on battery life is noticeable, at least with the modern chips in the iPhone, battery life is not the excuse that Palm would have had us believe.
    08-25-2007 09:46 AM
  4. tirk's Avatar
    I argued here that we did not need Wi-Fi for Treos. 3G is ubiquitous and fast enough. I use Sprint/EVDO for my PC to the exclusion of WiFi (except at home).

    As an iPhone/EDGE user I am finding that WiFi is much more widely deployed and useful than I would have expected.
    I know what you mean, I'm changing my mind a bit on this one too. Since moving to an unlimited data plan I've been amazed how much I use data services in places like my house & client's offices which have WiFi networks available, rather than walk to another room to use a PC.

    I'd still choose 3G over WiFi given the choice though, as that is still far more widely available.
    08-25-2007 10:40 AM
  5. cmaier's Avatar
    I wouldn't give up wi-fi for 3G (though I'd like both). Other than when I'm in my car, pretty much everywhere I spend time has open wi-fi (my office, my house, the places I have lunch, clients offices, etc.) That covers the vast majority of time spent on web/email functions each week. It helps that AT&T hotspots are now free.

    I'm finding I have wi-fi even in places where I have absolutely no at&t signal (for example, the interior portions of my offices) and where, presumably, HSDPA would be spotty at best.

    I'd probably even be happy with Edge if it was more consistent. I'm in silicon valley, but there are still a lot of places where I find no (or slow) Edge, or where the "E" shows but I can't connect to anything. When it does work, I find it to be good enough for casual web browsing and email.
    08-25-2007 12:16 PM
  6. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I argued here that we did not need Wi-Fi for Treos. 3G is ubiquitous and fast enough. I use Sprint/EVDO for my PC to the exclusion of WiFi (except at home).

    As an iPhone/EDGE user I am finding that WiFi is much more widely deployed and useful than I would have expected. Most of the WiFi that my iPhone discovers is closed but there is still enough that is open as to be useful.

    While the impact of WiFi on battery life is noticeable, at least with the modern chips in the iPhone, battery life is not the excuse that Palm would have had us believe.
    3G is still NOT everywhere in the US!

    But since it's new technology and we need to move forward, phones without 3G are definitely backwards IMO. I like phones with both wifi and 3G since they cover both areas when one is not to be found.
    08-25-2007 04:39 PM
  7. tirk's Avatar
    3G is still NOT everywhere in the US!
    It's going to depend a lot on where you live/work, but for what it's worth, 3G appears to be 10x more available than (available) WiFi in and around London.
    08-25-2007 05:21 PM
  8. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Look what continent you're on. North America is still in the dark ages sometimes! We only recently started thinking of 3G as a regular feature and not a luxury feature! Hasn't it been overseas for at least 10 years, if not a bit more?
    08-25-2007 06:06 PM
  9. mikec#IM's Avatar
    3G and WiFi serves two different purposes. To me, 3G and WiFi are both needed...one for when you are on the road (i.e. out of home) and one when you are home or at work with WiFi access.

    And yes, 3G is not yet ubiquitous everywhere...most metro areas have it, but if you hit outside that, it's 2.5 or less.

    WiFi was supposed to be everywhere, but stil isn't (at least not in open forms).

    Let's just get to 4G, 5G, Wimax, super-HSDPA, etc.

    I feel the need to speed.

    Give us 5MB down and 1MB up (and devices that can handle that) and we are all happy campers. ;-)
    08-25-2007 07:47 PM
  10. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I guess the unlocking is on hold...the AT&T lawyers are sinking their teeth into the liberators.

    They will of course, lose...the people who can't make money will release it into the wild and it will be game over.
    08-26-2007 01:06 AM
  11. surur's Avatar
    So this isn't a playa's phone then? It will help him get the girls, but it wont help keep them separate!

    - - Delete single recent call?
    fozo 08-24-2007 07:52 PM

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    Delete single recent call?

    Is there away to delete a single recent call without "Clear All" recent calls?

    jecapaga 08-25-2007 12:15 AM

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    Not that I can figure out. Strange. This needs to be fixed.

    donlphi 08-25-2007 12:25 AM

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    I too find the need to hide things from my significant other without making my phone seem suspiciously empty.

    Just kidding. I agree. There are some numbers I'd like to keep on there and some I'd just like to remove.

    fozo 08-25-2007 07:37 PM

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    That's strange that no one ever report this? Not sure if this is a bug or something that they left out intentionly. How are we going to report this any way?
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=346172

    Surur
    08-26-2007 06:04 AM
  12. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    You can't delete a SINGLE call? is that really true? If so, I think I may be waiting longer than I thought. Just about all phones allow single call deletion! In fact I have never seen one that didn't, even if it was only halfway good!
    08-26-2007 11:00 AM
  13. surur's Avatar
    It does not allow for the deletion of single text messages either.

    Surur
    08-26-2007 11:29 AM
  14. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    It's an iPod that can make phone calls. What it's not is a phone that also plays music. It's also not a communications device that happens to play music and make calls. It's 3 distinct, barely integrated, devices - 2 of which are mediocre in their implementation.
    08-26-2007 12:03 PM
  15. oalvarez's Avatar
    You can't delete a SINGLE call? is that really true? If so, I think I may be waiting longer than I thought. Just about all phones allow single call deletion! In fact I have never seen one that didn't, even if it was only halfway good!
    correct, and in truth i wouldn't have noticed if i didn't read these threads. it does seem absolutely silly that one can't delete a single call as some calls one might want to leave on the list, others not. it would be nice to condense the list that's for certain. what is interesting is that i didn't notice before.

    and correct, one can't delete a single sms comment and would have to delete the entire conversation. i'm sure there's a reason why you would want to delete a comment but deleting the conversation doesn't seem like a nuissance to me. if the conversation is over, delete it, if not, keep it. not too big of a deal in my eyes.
    08-26-2007 12:23 PM
  16. oalvarez's Avatar
    It's an iPod that can make phone calls. What it's not is a phone that also plays music. It's also not a communications device that happens to play music and make calls. It's 3 distinct, barely integrated, devices - 2 of which are mediocre in their implementation.
    i suppose that's your opinion. i find the phone to work just fine. i love the ipod and video (i watched an entire episode of csi miami yesterday afternoon and was simply amazed at the clarity/sound and how much i could actually see on screen.....how anyone gets any real viewing pleasure out of a smaller screen i don't know). the internet experience has been like no other on any device i've owned. sms/email work adequately. should one be able to attach photos to an email? absolutely and it definitely has its shortcomings but it works pretty well for me.
    08-26-2007 12:29 PM
  17. surur's Avatar
    and correct, one can't delete a single sms comment and would have to delete the entire conversation. i'm sure there's a reason why you would want to delete a comment but deleting the conversation doesn't seem like a nuissance to me. if the conversation is over, delete it, if not, keep it. not too big of a deal in my eyes.
    I think because you cant delete individual messages the converse is also true - you cant save a message while removing the rest of the conversation.

    An example would be if some-one texted you a password, you could not save that message without also retaining the rest of the conversation.

    Surur
    08-26-2007 12:29 PM
  18. mikec#IM's Avatar
    No single call or sms delete?

    Lame.

    RAZR wins again! ;-)
    08-26-2007 12:57 PM
  19. oalvarez's Avatar
    I think because you cant delete individual messages the converse is also true - you cant save a message while removing the rest of the conversation.

    An example would be if some-one texted you a password, you could not save that message without also retaining the rest of the conversation.

    Surur

    correct. one could save the password in the notes app i suppose. not a real nuissance in my eyes although not being able to delete a single call seems silly.
    08-26-2007 02:21 PM
  20. surur's Avatar
    correct. one could save the password in the notes app i suppose. not a real nuissance in my eyes although not being able to delete a single call seems silly.
    Made less easy due to the lack of cut and paste (e.g. a long hexadecimal WIFI key)

    Surur
    08-26-2007 02:31 PM
  21. braj's Avatar
    Made less easy due to the lack of cut and paste (e.g. a long hexadecimal WIFI key)

    Surur
    As well as inability to backup your notes.
    08-26-2007 02:36 PM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    but cut and paste is not really needed, right? And backing up Notes is so redundant.

    ;-)
    08-26-2007 03:41 PM
  23. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    That now means you have to save every single number you want to call back to contacts even if they really aren't a constant contact. There are some numbers I save on the call list because I need to call them back the same day, but they aren't a real contact. The others I delete so I don't have to go through them. If you want to clean up your call list on the iPhone, due to the all or none option, looks like you're stuck adding one-time contacts. You can delete single contacts though, right?

    And there are reasons for keeping on part of an SMS conversation, but not the rest. Erase the small talk, but leave the important details, if the conversation was important. I hate looking through a long thread just to find what I need, so I erase the small talk.
    08-26-2007 03:51 PM
  24. oalvarez's Avatar
    why the iPhone doesn't work for some and why it works for some others. some might depend on sms for work purposes, some might enjoy it for its simplicity and fun during the off hours.

    like i said, i hadn't even noticed the inability to delete a single call on the list, i do think it's silly that you can't. but since i didn't notice i must not have been all that reliant upon it or it didn't matter to me much. i suppose if the caller was that important to me i'd save it. i'm not sure but it might only save those calls for one calendar month as my list only goes back to the beginning of August (can't see calls prior to).
    08-26-2007 03:57 PM
  25. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I use my phones for both business and friends and get calls from people I don't know. Some of them are useless calls, so I need to seperate the serious from the non-serious.
    08-26-2007 04:01 PM
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