1. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Chris Hitchens is sharp...I love see him in debates on TV.
    08-16-2007 10:33 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    92% of iPhone owners are satisfied with their phone.

    http://forum.phonedifferent.com/showthread.php?t=150841
    As Antel0pe saw fit to dig up a thread in remission, I though some more horror stories about the iPhone would make a good counterpoint.

    luckystrikeed
    macrumors newbie

    Join Date: Aug 2007 I just check my bill. ....... $ 2300.00

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    HOLY CRAP !!!

    Ok, so I was reading the new on iphones and ran into the $ 5000.00 bill from the guy in the UK. Then I checked my bill online. Yup screwed !!
    I'm in Canada, and was only supposed to be here a week or so. Prior to coming down though I tried to add the international features to my phone as I travel about 4-6 months of the year. AT&T said I was ineligible to get that feature as my account was new I had to wait 90 days. I explained to them that I live off my phone and needed the service for the discounted rates. I even told them that I would be happy to pay a $ 2000 deposit and they sould cut me off anytime if I exceeded that amount !!! (Even though I already paid $ 500 as a deposit to even activate the phone !!!) They said pretty much too bad so sad !! So a ask them excatly what my costs were going to be and how much everything was going to cost. NO MENTION OF ANYTHING WITH THE DATA PLAN !!!!
    So my bill was like $ 700 in roaming usage $ 90 / month plan $ 160 in SMS (LOVE THAT !!) and $ 1200 in data usuage....

    I WANT TO KILL MYSELF !!!!

    I called AT&T and explained that this makes no sense. I got escalated to a great supervisor - Elma, she's putting it to international department and see if anything gets done....

    PRAY FOR ME PLEASE !!!
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...7&postcount=30

    I sure hope the iPhone does not lead to some-one's death, but I really would not be surprised....

    Surur
    08-17-2007 05:47 AM
  3. surur's Avatar
    Like in so many other areas, iPhone photo management falls apart if you look to closely.

    - - Low quality images on the iPhone???

    bobert83 08-16-2007 05:46 PM

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    Low quality images on the iPhone???

    Recently I sent my friend a beautiful image I took in Yosemite of Vernal Falls. He uploaded to his iPhone and showed it to me about a week later. I know I sent him a full resolution photo, but when he zoomed "all the way in," the image was most definably lacking in sharpness. Many details were not visible on the iPhone, that could be seen in the original file. Is this an isolated incident? Is there an option in iTunes/iPhoto that sizes them down?

    DotComCTO 08-16-2007 08:47 PM

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    iTunes scales it for the iPhone. I suppose that allows you to put lots of photos in a limited space. They look ok while not zoomed in, but fall apart otherwise.

    --DotComCTO

    HiRez 08-17-2007 01:09 AM

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    It really should be an option in iTunes (iPhone prefs), whether to optimize the images, or better yet specify a maximum dimension in pixels and/or file size to optimize to(that way if you have some 8 megapixel images they can be reasonable). Because the iPhone has the zoomin capability, there really is a good reason to support higher-resolution images.
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=342854

    Surur
    08-17-2007 05:54 AM
  4. surur's Avatar
    So is the iPhone memory constrained or not? Certainly looks like it...

    - - Secret to increasing iPhone Stability? Coverflow

    mobilehavoc 08-15-2007 18:45

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    Secret to increasing iPhone Stability? Coverflow

    This may or may not work for anyone except me but over the last week I've been conducting some personal tests of my iPhones stability when doing certain things. All of these tests were done after a power cycle so they should be valid.

    Basically I noticed sometimes my iPhone would be rock solid for days if not over a week and sometimes Safari/iPod would start crashing immediately along with the other usual problems.

    I realized a lot of the problems I have such as apps crashing and most common (Safari pages being blank and having to reload) are most likely related somehow to memory.

    I figure the most memory intensive app on the iPhone is most likely Coverflow in iPod. On my PC iTunes usually takes up 60-70MB of memory but when using coverflow that can sometimes balloon to about 300-400MB!!!!

    So in my tests I used Coverflow in some and not at all in others and for me when not using Coverflow I had in some cases NO CRASHES at all or any issues!

    When I used Coverflow things deteriorated really fast.

    So for those having these common issues, power cycle your iPhone and try using EVERYTHING you normally use except Coverflow. Please report back with your findings.

    BIGMERF 08-15-2007 18:58

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    im dumb!!! whats coverflow?

    mobilehavoc 08-15-2007 19:01

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BIGMERF
    im dumb!!! whats coverflow?



    When you're in iPod app on your iPhone and you turn it horizontally so you can see all the Album covers and flick through them.

    Same as in iTunes...called Coverflow.

    leonowj9 08-15-2007 19:09

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    I noticed the same thing right after the first update. My phone only crashes after using coverflow.

    BIGMERF 08-15-2007 19:13

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    so you saying never to use it? how do you disable it? and how does it affect safari? i rarely listen to the ipod and ive only used coverflow like 3 times but my safari crashes a whole lot

    mobilehavoc 08-15-2007 19:19

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BIGMERF
    so you saying never to use it? how do you disable it? and how does it affect safari? i rarely listen to the ipod and ive only used coverflow like 3 times but my safari crashes a whole lot



    Doesn't matter how many times you used it, just using it once will screw up that "session" meaning until you power-cycle your iPhone to clear memory next.

    No way to disable it per se, but it's easy to avoid - just don't tilt your iPhone horizontally when using the iPod and it won't ever be triggered.

    The difference for me is quite amazing. For the last 2 hours I've had 3 tabs in Safari open...Google Reader, JiveTalk and iPhone.Facebook.com and they're all still there with no issues (no blank pages, no crashing). During this time I've listened to music, used Google Maps, stocks, weather, taken 3 phone calls.

    And boom it's all still there. Meanwhile when I used Coverflow, things would go downhill immediately.

    xgman 08-15-2007 19:51

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    Great, so what other features should we NOT use. This is getting rediculous.

    cmatthews 08-15-2007 19:52

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    I use coverflow everytime I use the ipod portion of the iPhone, I don't have stability problems with mine, yes the pages have to reload when I open Safari but not a big deal for me. Only place I have ever had Safari crash was on HoFo but it doesn't seem to do that anymore now.

    I'm going to try not using coverflow for a week or so and see how things go.

    JerryNY 08-15-2007 22:32

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    Yeah same here, I use coverflow all the time and don't have any problems. I also got a couple of Safari crashes on HoFo but they don't seem to occur anymore. Maybe it is a problem with coverflow and 5 series LCD's

    cmatthews 08-15-2007 23:07

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    As to the issue with the Safari pages going blank, I soft reset my phone every night to wipe out anything I have done during the day. Today I had 3 web pages open, haven't used the iPod app at all today, 30-40 minutes later when I opened Safari again, 2 of the 3 pages were blank again and had to reload. Maybe it depends on the pages and how much memory they use, but there has to be more to it than just coverflow being the problem. Have you tested using the Photos app to see how it affects Safari and other things in the memory.
    Something else, others have stated that their music stops playing when using Safari, this has also never happened to me.

    RufusRyker 08-16-2007 01:06

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    I use coverflow without experiencing any crashes. However, I wonder if certain graphic files might contribute to the problem you were having. Where did you download your cover images from? Perhaps, like with fonts, some of the files are corrupted.

    hard_core 08-16-2007 04:17

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    what about doing the "hold down the home button for ten seconds to fully close an app" thing?

    Use coverflow for a min, then use safari for an hour to see if it crashes

    Calculon 08-16-2007 22:15

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    Hmmm... Coverflow causes no problems on my iPhone. How much memory is used in your 'Other' category?

    I'm assuming this is where the album cover images are stored.

    Buk 08-17-2007 04:00

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    Re: Secret to increasing iPhone Stability?

    After seeing the name of the thread I decided to give it a whirl. I've got an 8 GB model MA712, serial number starts with a 7 and I have about 431 MB of space yet available.

    Started the iPod application, thumbed through coverflow, picked song and thumbed through cover flow. Launched Safari, no problems. Back to coverflow and repeat. Still no slow downs or crashes in Safari.

    Although I only have about 75 covers to thumb through.

    mobilehavoc 08-17-2007 04:12

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    It might be because of the number of songs I have or something. I haven't used Coverflow since I posted this and it's been ROCK solid. Safari hasn't given me the white page or made me reload once..I've had 3 tabs open the whole time including Jivetalk which is amazing. I've taken phone calls, used google maps, weather, stocks, youtube, everything and Safari is going strong. Also used iPod to watch videos, listen to music.

    Still working perfectly. Maybe it's a combination of the amount of songs (all with album art - around 4GB (700 songs). Also a lot of the album art was added by a third-party app - Fixtunes.

    I'm just going to keep this up and see how long I can go without a problem!
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1222546

    Surur
    08-17-2007 06:11 AM
  5. marcol's Avatar
    As Antel0pe saw fit to dig up a thread in remission, I though some more horror stories about the iPhone would make a good counterpoint.
    In that spirit here's a bit of the ChangeWave data


    http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/44709
    08-17-2007 06:27 AM
  6. braj's Avatar
    In that spirit here's a bit of the ChangeWave data
    http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/44709
    To be fair:
    The Alliance survey was conducted July 18-25, 2007, less than a month after the iPhones release
    I expect that lots of people were elated right after purchasing. I wonder what the results of the poll would be now, expecially if they got a few of the people with $5000 phone bills in the sample group.
    08-17-2007 12:07 PM
  7. surur's Avatar
    To be fair:

    I expect that lots of people were elated right after purchasing. I wonder what the results of the poll would be now, expecially if they got a few of the people with $5000 phone bills in the sample group.
    Hopefully people's satisfaction with the iPhone wont mirror Apple's post-iPhone stock price slump.

    Surur
    08-17-2007 01:01 PM
  8. braj's Avatar
    Hopefully people's satisfaction with the iPhone wont mirror Apple's post-iPhone stock price slump.

    Surur
    To be fair (again) I think other factors are at work regarding everyone's stock price lately.
    08-17-2007 02:51 PM
  9. surur's Avatar
    To be fair (again) I think other factors are at work regarding everyone's stock price lately.
    I dont think there was a good case for Apple's stock rising by 50% in 6 months in the first place, so with a possible recession looming and luxury spending likely to be impacted, Apple may be very misplaced in the market.

    Surur
    08-17-2007 03:03 PM
  10. braj's Avatar
    I dont think there was a good case for Apple's stock rising by 50% in 6 months in the first place, so with a possible recession looming and luxury spending likely to be impacted, Apple may be very misplaced in the market.

    Surur
    Yep, I doubt many unemployed persons will spend $600 on a cel phone.
    08-17-2007 03:12 PM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Saw my fifth iPhone in the wild the other day...they are coming of their dark pockets.

    Can't wait until some of these $5,000 cell phone bills get on the news.

    I wonder what the update this month will hold...
    08-18-2007 10:11 PM
  12. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I guess that iPhone is bit slippery. Saw my 6th in the wild yesterday, and this woman was talking on it, and then as she was putting it away in her purse, it slipped and fell onto the pavement.

    The screen was cracked, and she just let out this sad "oh sheet" (except the profane version).

    I felt bad for her, as I have dropped a phone or two.
    08-19-2007 12:15 PM
  13. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    This is one of my biggest fears of the iPhone. Would the screen have cracked if it'd been in a case, I wonder?
    08-19-2007 02:10 PM
  14. oalvarez's Avatar
    at least it didn't need a new antenna stub!

    The thin rubber sleeve I have on mine works well. The grippiness of the material has its plusses and minuses but it surely would have protected the screen in her case.
    08-19-2007 03:48 PM
  15. braj's Avatar
    at least it didn't need a new antenna stub!
    Um, ok. :shake:
    08-19-2007 04:25 PM
  16. oalvarez's Avatar
    It's not that hard to comprehend, Braj. You surely have read about antenna stubs being broken off of Treos and the like when being dropped. And that's not to mention the peeling chrome paint and soft plastic that gets chewed up. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Um ok? Funny
    08-19-2007 04:39 PM
  17. braj's Avatar
    It's not that hard to comprehend, Braj. You surely have read about antenna stubs being broken off of Treos and the like when being dropped. And that's not to mention the peeling chrome paint and soft plastic that gets chewed up. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Um ok? Funny
    It follows your typical nonsensical 'defense' of the iPhone by bashing the Treo. Given the fact that no new Treos ship with stub antennas I don't really see any real point in the comment either. This wasn't even a criticism of the iPhone, only mikec mentioning he swaw one break, which I'm sure sucked for the owner. Your comments border on the rediuculous.
    08-19-2007 04:44 PM
  18. oalvarez's Avatar
    many think a lot less about the Treos both old and new. I'm not defending the iPhone but rather poking fun at the Treo just like the fun that is being had making fun of the iPhone. I own both and feel more than justified when speaking of either one.

    Perfectly sensible but I understand that you must belittle others to maintain your status.
    08-19-2007 05:58 PM
  19. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I have seen a lot of dropped Treos, but never seen and antenna break.
    08-19-2007 06:46 PM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    I have seen a lot of dropped Treos, but never seen and antenna break.
    Shall we paste threads related to those instances for you?
    08-19-2007 06:54 PM
  21. mikec#IM's Avatar
    If you've got the time, I've got the beer.

    I've never heard of breaking antenna being a big issue with Treos. Obviously, dropping them in and of itself can cause damage, but I've heard more about cracked screens on Treos than antennas.
    08-19-2007 07:40 PM
  22. oalvarez's Avatar
    If you've got the time, I've got the beer.

    I've never heard of breaking antenna being a big issue with Treos. Obviously, dropping them in and of itself can cause damage, but I've heard more about cracked screens on Treos than antennas.
    So, you've heard or haven't heard that treo antennas break off?
    08-19-2007 07:45 PM
  23. Malatesta's Avatar
    So, you've heard or haven't heard that treo antennas break off?
    I've never heard of it.

    That does not imply that I don't think it can or that it hasn't, just I don't recall seeing it mentioned. I also haven't seen that with the 6700 either (though Shadowmite famously sawed his off in a bizarre experiment). I'm sure someone has experienced this, heck someone had their 700wx go through the laundry and survive

    Back to the iPhone (and I'm surprised Surur hasn't picked up on this):

    Facebook
    launched an iPhone version of their website recently.

    Q: If the iPhone is the real internet ("not the watered down or mobile version"), why did Facebook need to create a specially formatted version for the iPhone (with the exceptions that "you can't edit your profile, upload snapshots to your photo page (as you can with Helio phones), or tinker with any Facebook apps")

    Q2:
    Will we see more "web apps" aka specially formatted websites for the iPhone in the future? If so, how is that different from the instantiation of "m." sites e.g. m.facebook.com?

    Q3: What does this mean for my long-held assertion that sites formatted for mobile devices are preferable over the "full site"? Will iPhone users not use them out of principle? (okay, that last one is rhetorical).
    08-19-2007 08:30 PM
  24. braj's Avatar

    Perfectly sensible but I understand that you must belittle others to maintain your status.
    My 'status'? Are you loony? That I think you are totally FOS most of the time has nothing to do with my 'status'. How important does posting on a forum make you feel? (I personally feel like a big ol geek and am not proud to waste so much time on the web over essentially nonsense. I must hide this dorky behavior or face persecution from my wife even. Tech forums are not 'cool' IMO and seeking status here is the ultimate of pittiful dork. I hereby relenquish any status that may have been inadvertantly thrust upon me )
    08-19-2007 09:43 PM
  25. mikec#IM's Avatar
    oalveraz,

    I said "I've never heard of breaking antenna being a big issue with Treos".

    I'm not sure why that was not clear enough.

    But to answer you question, I have never heard of a Treo antenna breaking off. I have seen one with a tiny fissure, but basically cosmetic.

    Go ahead and post all the thread of broken Treo antennas.
    08-19-2007 11:14 PM
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