1. cmaier's Avatar
    Why not? Allowing you to do something you couldn't do before is a feature. It may not be a very valuable feature, or it may be a feature you don't care about, or it may be a feature you think should have been there in the first place, but it's still a feature.
    08-08-2007 10:00 PM
  2. bruckwine's Avatar
    Why not? Allowing you to do something you couldn't do before is a feature. It may not be a very valuable feature, or it may be a feature you don't care about, or it may be a feature you think should have been there in the first place, but it's still a feature.
    But is it a new feature (its improtance varies according to user of course)? As you say it might have always been there and only required them saying "iMac=true) - is it a new protocol or is it simply providing a client to do what safari and the mail can't due to handicapping? By that definition of feature every hack is a new feature and any prog they may allow in future is a new feature...on that basis OS like XP and Windows have new features all the time. If so then fair play - but not much to write home about.
    08-08-2007 10:13 PM
  3. cmaier's Avatar
    huh? It's a "new" feature in that a few minutes earlier there was no such button to press when you clicked "send" on a photo. Whether they coded it from scratch or did "imac=true," what's the difference?

    Yes, OS like XP and Windows have new features all the time - whenever they release new versions that contain things other than bug fixes.

    I'm just not getting what you are saying, I suppose.
    08-08-2007 10:19 PM
  4. oalvarez's Avatar
    in all fairness i'm not understanding much of it either, but i'm trying.

    it's something "new" to the device, its function brings upon a new outcome.

    it's "new" whether it should have been there from the get-go or not.

    right? wrong?
    08-08-2007 11:25 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    http://download.micron.com/pdf/techn...and/tn2904.pdf

    This is a micron technical spec for 2GB nand flash that it claims is comparable to samsung's parts. I believe these specs are representative of what is used in the ipod/iphone.

    They cite a 30ns read cycle time, and they have either an 8- or 16-bit bus. Assuming 16bits, that's 2B/30ns = 6.66e8B/s = 63 MB/s (depending on how you define a megabyte). Definitely in the ballpark of the 50MB/s claimed in the wikipedia page.

    So no "magic superduper nand" is required to get pretty decent read performance. Write may be another matter entirely.
    If you go directly to the Samsung website and use the part number, it appears the device has a 50ns read time.

    K9MCG08U5M



    Anyway, I see no point really in further going back and forth about this. I am sure some-one, in the next few weeks, will be able to clarify this definitively.

    Surur
    08-09-2007 02:27 AM
  6. surur's Avatar
    I thought the iPhone was supposed to be invincible? I guess not...

    - - Dropped iPhone on Carpet. Broken.

    kgarchar 08-08-2007 11:41 PM

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    Dropped iPhone on Carpet. Broken.

    Yep. I'm an ***** who wasn't watching his pocket when he jumps off the counter. iPhone hits the ground on the carpet kinda hard. Doesn't work much after.




    I'm taking it into apple tomorrow. I am a bit let down with the durability of my phone, and I'll be seriously let down if they say they're not going to replace it. Granted it's my fault...it's freaking carpet

    I guess i'll go into detail. The bottom home button is unresponsive, the mic BARELY works. The dock connector port doesn't work(but did for an hour?) and the speaker sounds like poo.

    megfilmworks 08-08-2007 11:48 PM

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    Wow, bad luck. I've dropped mine a few times, even on tile and not a scratch.
    Good luck at the store. If it fell on carpet then it shouldn't have any external damage

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    That sucks. I've read of people testing the scratch resistance on the iPhones by dropping them on concrete and stuff. I haven't heard of them breaking. Must have hit just right. Hopefully they will replace it. Just don't mention anything about dropping it. Just say it stopped working. Let us know what happens.

    Stadsport 08-08-2007 11:51 PM

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    I'm just curious, but what exactly happened to it? What isn't working anymore?

    I mean it has no moving parts so other than the screen cracking, I can't see what would (easily) break.

    kgarchar 08-08-2007 11:53 PM

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    there's the detail
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=339401

    Surur
    08-09-2007 02:40 AM
  7. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    It may be inconsistent build quality. You get a good one, an acceptable one, or a bad one. I had that problem with Nanos, which is why I gave up on that line. I haven't really seen this problem on the hard drive iPod although other people report it.

    For the iPhone, they should have fixed that problem better. But Treos also have inconsistent build quality judging by posts on the entire forum, to be fair.
    08-09-2007 02:49 AM
  8. bruckwine's Avatar
    huh? It's a "new" feature in that a few minutes earlier there was no such button to press when you clicked "send" on a photo. Whether they coded it from scratch or did "imac=true," what's the difference?

    Yes, OS like XP and Windows have new features all the time - whenever they release new versions that contain things other than bug fixes.

    I'm just not getting what you are saying, I suppose.
    in all fairness i'm not understanding much of it either, but i'm trying.

    it's something "new" to the device, its function brings upon a new outcome.

    it's "new" whether it should have been there from the get-go or not.

    right? wrong?
    From answers.com

    feature (fē'chər) pronunciation
    n.

    1.
    1. Any of the distinct parts of the face, as the eyes, nose, or mouth.
    2. The overall appearance of the face or its parts. Often used in the plural.
    2. A prominent or distinctive aspect, quality, or characteristic: a feature of one's personality; a feature of the landscape.
    3. Linguistics.
    1. A property of linguistic units or forms: Nasality is a phonological feature.
    2. In generative linguistics, any of various abstract entities that combine to specify underlying phonological, morphological, semantic, and syntactic properties of linguistic forms and that act as the targets of linguistic rules and operations.
    4.
    1. The main film presentation at a theater.
    2. A full-length film.
    5. A special attraction at an entertainment.
    6. A prominent or special article, story, or department in a newspaper or periodical. - features are usually unique or very distinct e.g. screen size, iPod, etc
    7. An item advertised or offered as particularly attractive or as an inducement: a washing machine with many features.
    8. Archaic.
    1. Outward appearance; form or shape.
    2. Physical beauty.

    tr.v., -tured, -turing, -tures.

    1. To give special attention to; display, publicize, or make prominent.
    2. To have or include as a prominent part or characteristic: The play featured two well-known actors. - features usually describe distinct or particular characteristics of things e.g. multitouch screen
    3. To depict or outline the features of.
    4. Informal. To picture mentally; imagine: Can you feature her in that hat?

    [Middle English feture, from Old French faiture, from Latin factūra, a working or making, from factus, past participle of facere, to make, do.]
    I guess imo (which is what I've been saying all along) it's not prominent enough, and the new button you press is simply software implementation - the same as every hack and web app out there, just that it's officially from Apple. In my opinion it might be a feature but not a prominent one, more like a new function

    function (fŭngk'shən) pronunciation
    n.

    1. The action for which a person or thing is particularly fitted or employed.
    2.
    1. Assigned duty or activity.
    2. A specific occupation or role: in my function as chief editor.
    3. An official ceremony or a formal social occasion.
    4. Something closely related to another thing and dependent on it for its existence, value, or significance: Growth is a function of nutrition. - the send photo to iMac feature is a function that needs the camera and internet or it doesn't exist - it is not a standalone phone feature you cna use outside of having a .mac account and is more an enhancement of other features imo
    5. (Abbr. f) Mathematics.
    1. A variable so related to another that for each value assumed by one there is a value determined for the other.
    2. A rule of correspondence between two sets such that there is a unique element in the second set assigned to each element in the first set.
    6. Biology. The physiological activity of an organ or body part.
    7. Chemistry. The characteristic behavior of a chemical compound, resulting from the presence of a specific functional group.
    8. Computer Science. A procedure within an application. - can also be considered this, it's a procedure within the photo gallery(?) feature, an extension whether it has its own button or not

    intr.v., -tioned, -tioning, -tions.

    To have or perform a function; serve: functioned as ambassador.

    [Latin fūnctiō, fūnctiōn-, performance, execution, from fūnctus, past participle of fungī, to perform, execute.]
    functionless func'tionless adj.

    SYNONYMS function, duty, office, role. These nouns denote the actions and activities assigned to, required of, or expected of a person: the function of a teacher; a bank clerk's duty; assumed the office of financial adviser; the role of a parent.
    If you consider that a new feature then OS have new features all the time w/o changing versions, to me its an enhancement of a feature there already and a limited one at that as you need something else for to to work...plenty updates have more than bug fixes for OS X etc but ppl don't term them as new features. Might just be how we use the language everyday but I never hear ppl say things like "OS X Jaguar has a new feature" after loading an update unless it's something distinct like iTunes can now play movies rather than just music.
    08-09-2007 06:48 AM
  9. surur's Avatar
    This is hilarious and sad at the same time. Only iFans would make a video about copy and paste, and only Apple would be brazen enough to sell a device "5 years ahead of everyone else" without it.



    This comment really brings it home though.

    ZuD funck
    I am so Bummed! I thought this actually Worked!
    Jokes on me. Bought an iPhone for Blogging! This feature would make it so...
    Yes, the iPhone is great for laughs after all.

    Surur
    08-09-2007 08:37 AM
  10. surur's Avatar
    More on copying and pasting on the iphone.

    - - Copy and Paste demo (sweet video inside)

    DiscoJoey 08-09-2007 05:46 AM

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    Copy and Paste demo (sweet video inside)

    ok i lied the video isn't in the thread, but it is in the link below

    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/0...emo-loves-you/



    Ok, we can officially and finally put this debate to rest: yes, Apple really could use its multi-touch input system to enable users to friggin' copy / paste text in the iPhone. And to prove it, the usual random internet dude (lonelysandwich) has put his skills to the test and developed a demo proof of concept video that Conan O'Brien will probably sue over. Hit it up after the break!

    Mark Booth 08-09-2007 05:50 AM

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    Gotta admit, there's been more than a couple of times that I'd have liked to have copy & paste capability! But I also frequently need highlight/delete. So, that little pop up should have at least three buttons... Copy, Paste and Delete.

    Mark

    tamakin 08-09-2007 06:23 AM

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    that was a hilarious video.. he said I love you at the end.. hahahah

    iLLGT2 08-09-2007 06:59 AM

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    Cant wait for this damn feature!

    Matt 08-09-2007 07:19 AM

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    hahaha that was great! :laugh2:

    Silverado 08-09-2007 07:24 AM

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    Truely amazing that you can sell such a device in 2007 without it.

    I think that Apple simply either hasn't perfected it yet or they were worried it would complicate the interface and interfere with its adoption. But to have the gall to think you can pull off introducing the device without it says a lot about Apple and about us.

    Tinman 08-09-2007 07:34 AM

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    The title of this thread should be "[b]Fake[b] Copy and Paste demo!" Grrrr, got my hopes up for nothing.

    Video was funny though. God it reminded me of how annoying the guy that does the iPhone's videos is. :tounge:


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    RomeoSto 08-09-2007 08:00 AM

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    Lol, did you see his throat after each time he spoke?

    Silverado 08-09-2007 08:54 AM

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    Funny video. I hope this is NOT how Apple implements it though, if they ever decide to do it.

    gcvt 08-09-2007 09:16 AM

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    That's some funny stuff :laugh2:
    http://www.everythingiphone.com/foru...side-8347.html

    Surur
    08-09-2007 09:37 AM
  11. surur's Avatar
    Those natives are getting restless again. I guess after a while paying $600 for an under-featured phone starts chaffing a bit...

    - - Send pics from iPhone to another Phone?

    Jokerboy649 08-08-2007 01:49 AM

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    Send pics from iPhone to another Phone?

    is there anyway to send pics from my iPhone to another phone like through a text message?

    The Apple 08-08-2007 01:55 AM

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    not to my knowledge. But you can always use email. That's free!

    thesaint 08-08-2007 02:03 AM

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    you can use bluetooth right!!!

    RTpics 08-08-2007 07:00 AM

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    Nope no transfer via BT

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    I assume you mean MMS? Click below and read the last post:

    http://www.everythingiphone.com/foru...-mms-8095.html

    Silverado 08-08-2007 01:05 PM

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    No MMS, No Bluetooth. It's the iPhone way.

    I'm learning that this is Apple's way (used to know this in theory but now I am learning it in practice). Things are closed unless Apple wants to open them. Reasons for not opening things could range from business reasons to software to hardware reasons.

    The strangest thing about this is that the true Apple fans don't seem to question it much. There is a "Steve knows best" mentality and if Steve didn't give it to us yet then there must be a good reason.

    This is not a criticism as I have absolute freedom to move away from the iPhone and I own it by choice. These are simply observations.


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    I have been an Apple user since 1990 (and I am also an 98/XP user since about 1999). So far I have not been pleased with what is missing from the iPhone, including mms. The little gig he had yesterday actually is making me think there is not much on the way for the issues/features that people are requesting or pointing out. So far, for me, Steve is not going in the right direction. The phone right now is "fine", nothing more then that. I am part of the group that is praying (I assume this group exists) that Steve gets his head out of his orifice on the back side of his body and gets into current times.

    Silverado 08-08-2007 02:47 PM

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    I have been an Apple user since 1990 (and I am also an 98/XP user since about 1999). So far I have not been pleased with what is missing from the iPhone, including mms. The little gig he had yesterday actually is making me think there is not much on the way for the issues/features that people are requesting or pointing out. So far, for me, Steve is not going in the right direction. The phone right now is "fine", nothing more then that. I am part of the group that is praying (I assume this group exists) that Steve gets his head out of his orifice on the back side of his body and gets into current times.
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    But what could be done about it to bring more attention to the fact that so many people are quietly hoping and assuming some things will come?

    Skipper 08-08-2007 05:08 PM

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    just quietly hack the crap out of your phone :laugh2:
    We needed steve for the iphone, but sooner or later hackers will finish the job(s). The list of things needed to be fixed and things fixed by hacks are looking more and more alike. Apple seems to be stubborn, and I dont feel like pretending they own me and/or my phone. :angry:

    greenjbhsd 08-08-2007 07:05 PM

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    Right now nothing more than what is being done. We have the feedback site which appears many of us send info to on a regular basis, plus any reviews that come out of the papers or the Mac publications. I just wish there was feedback from Apple at least telling us what we can expect over time. Not looking for a time line, but would be nice to know what features they intend to implement so we at least have something to look forward to.

    Silverado 08-08-2007 07:40 PM

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    just quietly hack the crap out of your phone :laugh2:
    We needed steve for the iphone, but sooner or later hackers will finish the job(s). The list of things needed to be fixed and things fixed by hacks are looking more and more alike. Apple seems to be stubborn, and I dont feel like pretending they own me and/or my phone. :angry:
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    Grrr... Wrote a long response on the iPhone then Safari crashed and I lost it.

    We shouldn't let apple off the hook that easily. My question is what does Apple listen to, if anything?


    lymn 08-08-2007 08:14 PM

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    Grrr... Wrote a long response on the iPhone then Safari crashed and I lost it.

    We shouldn't let apple off the hook that easily. My question is what does Apple listen to, if anything?
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    You can send images to friends with MMS compatibles phones, but you need to know which carrier they are on.

    AT&T:
    9998887777@mms.att.net (numbers are your friends cell#)

    Silverado 08-08-2007 09:18 PM

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    AT&T:
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    Thar'a right, but my comments were about the larger issue of simple, common features that are missing, like copy/paste, saving photos from email, sending/receiving photos by Bluetooth, etc, etc. Some people seem sure these will come, but there are no real signs that Apple even thinks anything is missing.

    lymn 08-08-2007 09:30 PM

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    Thar'a right, but my comments were about the larger issue of simple, common features that are missing, like copy/paste, saving photos from email, sending/receiving photos by Bluetooth, etc, etc. Some people seem sure these will come, but there are no real signs that Apple even thinks anything is missing.
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    MMS actually kinda sucks in the US... It is all done via gateways and is really confusing... Some companies don't allow other companies to send mms to their customers. AT&T is the only carrier which has good MMS network, which is kinda funny that they don't use it on the iphone...

    Ya... the more I think about how stupid apple is for doing this stuff -- the more I just don't want to think...

    iFun Girl 08-09-2007 12:15 AM

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    Their profit margins.

    mlass 08-09-2007 01:11 AM

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    ...and that is one reason why Apple will always be one step behind the rest.

    Apple hasn't shown me anything that they even care of what people think.

    That is also why M$ made fun of Apple before the iPhone came out. M$ sells alot of phones every year and Apple had sold none.

    Eiko 08-09-2007 02:06 AM

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    There's a VERY simple fix for everyone who's here complaining...
    Take the thing back and live happily ever after. Maybe do a little research before making a major purchase next time, hey, it'll save a LOT of space on the internet.

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    There's a VERY simple fix for everyone who's here complaining...
    Take the thing back and live happily ever after. Maybe do a little research before making a major purchase next time, hey, it'll save a LOT of space on the internet.
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    WOW that was helpful...you contributed alot to this thread:laugh2:

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    So how is it helpful filling-up every forum on the web with the identical complaints about the phone? It ALL could have been avoided with some simple reading before "getting in line" to buy one. No?

    1. "Apple Forgot" to add "so-and-so" feature. Does ANYONE really believe they "forgot" or "didn't know"? There's a reason and WAY too many wanna-be industrial designers / UI engineers out here trying to figure it out and pasting their half-cocked, second guessing ideas and even conspiracy theories. Be patient. Or... TAKE IT BACK.

    2. My phone won't do "X". Read number one.

    3. Everything else, Read #2 and #1, wash, rinse and repeat.

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    So how is it helpful filling-up every forum on the web with the identical complaints about the phone? It ALL could have been avoided with some simple reading before "getting in line" to buy one. No?

    1. "Apple Forgot" to add "so-and-so" feature. Does ANYONE really believe they "forgot" or "didn't know"? There's a reason and WAY too many wanna-be industrial designers / UI engineers out here trying to figure it out and pasting their half-cocked, second guessing ideas and even conspiracy theories. Be patient. Or... TAKE IT BACK.

    2. My phone won't do "X". Read number one.

    3. Everything else, Read #2 and #1, wash, rinse and repeat.
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    Now that's better:laugh2: I wasnt disagreeing with you i feel the same way now you backed what you were saying with some reasoning. I love the iphone but it does get annoying asking people to email you pics instead of mms , seems i just end up not getting anything. Hopefully it will get fixed in an update. There are just too many good things about the iphone to leave it


    mlass 08-09-2007 02:54 AM

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    Take the thing back and live happily ever after. Maybe do a little research before making a major purchase next time, hey, it'll save a LOT of space on the internet.
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    I researched it for 6 months and was number 1 in line, but from alot of reviews you can tell people want MMS. All I am saying is that I haven't seen anything that shows Apple EVEN CARES about what people think. They won't even mention anything about the future of the product (bugs, fixes, new feature, 3rd party).

    For me at this time, it's an iPod with email. Even with alot of missed calls I am still happy to sit at work to watch movies and listen MP3's all day.

    Eiko 08-09-2007 02:55 AM

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    Now that's better:laugh2: I wasnt disagreeing with you i feel the same way now you backed what you were saying with some reasoning. I love the iphone but it does get annoying asking people to email you pics instead of mms , seems i just end up not getting anything. Hopefully it will get fixed in an update. There are just too many good things about the iphone to leave it
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    Right on ... I actually LIKE using the iPhone. First phone I've had (probably 20+ over the years, WM, BB, Treo, et al ) that I can say that about. Sure, there are some things I might use if they were there, but the fact is, I knew what I was buying before I laid down the cash.... kinda simple school of thought there. I knew what I was getting and therefore I'm happy. What it does, it does better than anything out there.

    IF they release more goodies... cool! But I won't spend every waking hour waiting for it, posting about it, guessing, dreaming, etc., etc. I keep coming to the boards HOPING there might be a tid-bit of info about the phone worth reading, just doesn't happen very often and it's nothing but ENDLESS freakin' whiners going on about what it doesn't do, as if someone FORCED them to buy the dang thing.....

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    Are you serious? Look at ANYTHING made by Apple. Their desktops make EVERYTHING else look like some cheapo Chinese knock off. OPen a G5/Pro tower and tell me that don't care. I got to mess with the new iMac today... INSANE attention to detail/quality.

    Point is, they damn sure do care... they just don't announce updates/fixes before it's released. Never have.

    Arcangel2176 08-09-2007 03:48 AM

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    Silverado 08-09-2007 07:57 AM

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    This is silly for Many reasons:

    1. Read my first post in the thread. I said that I know it's my choice and I choose to use the iPhone. However I will not apologize for trying to get my vendor to support my needs better.

    2. How else would apple know what people want if they don't ask for it?

    3. There is a simple solution for you: stop reading threads that don't only praise the iPhone.
    http://www.everythingiphone.com/foru...hone-8260.html

    Surur
    08-09-2007 09:49 AM
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    More of Apple's handcuff-like handholding.... Apple's way or the highway?

    - - Not optimize photos?

    mogz 08-08-2007 03:02 AM

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    Not optimize photos?

    Is there any way to do this in the iphone? i know you can put full resolution photos in the ipod...

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    You may be able to put full resolution photos on the ipods drive, but you cant view them. The only way to view high resolution photos would be in safari.

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    Tried it. Doesn't work...

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    really? both tiff and psd?

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    Yup both tiff and psd.

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    Is there any way to do this in the iphone? i know you can put full resolution photos in the ipod...
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    You know, that is really weird. I was just thinking about this today. I used to be able to show a photo on the iPhone and zoom in with the "pinch" and it would be so clear. Now after I updated to 1.01 (or whatever, the new update), it seems that my photos are really grainy when you zoom in and only look good in the normal view. Anyone else with this problem??

    DiscoJoey 08-08-2007 06:49 AM

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    Originally Posted by mactigger (Post 74897)
    You know, that is really weird. I was just thinking about this today. I used to be able to show a photo on the iPhone and zoom in with the "pinch" and it would be so clear. Now after I updated to 1.01 (or whatever, the new update), it seems that my photos are really grainy when you zoom in and only look good in the normal view. Anyone else with this problem??
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    what file types are the files? i have a feeling that psd's and tiff's didnt get optimized before the update.

    stewcp 08-08-2007 09:54 AM

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    The only way I know is to attached the hi-res photos to a bookmark and use safari to view it... see this link for full details and script: http://www.insanelygreattees.com/news/?p=51

    mogz 08-08-2007 04:27 PM

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    Originally Posted by mactigger (Post 74897)
    You know, that is really weird. I was just thinking about this today. I used to be able to show a photo on the iPhone and zoom in with the "pinch" and it would be so clear. Now after I updated to 1.01 (or whatever, the new update), it seems that my photos are really grainy when you zoom in and only look good in the normal view. Anyone else with this problem??
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    Now that I thought about it... it is true!
    http://www.everythingiphone.com/foru...otos-8264.html

    Surur
    08-09-2007 09:54 AM
  13. cmaier's Avatar
    If you go directly to the Samsung website and use the part number, it appears the device has a 50ns read time.

    K9MCG08U5M



    Anyway, I see no point really in further going back and forth about this. I am sure some-one, in the next few weeks, will be able to clarify this definitively.

    Surur

    Not sure what your point is. Even if the 50ns is referring to the same figure (not entirely clear - this is marketing info, and is a lot less detailed than the engineering info on the micron site), 50ns is still in the same ballpark (around 40MB/s). Still around a factor of 3 slower than typical harddrives. The write cycle time, however, is atrocious. Definitely would have to do lazy-writebacks, probably buffered.

    In any event, yes, the trivial test is for someone with the toolchain to malloc > 128MB.

    My only objection is to your cited reasons for insisting their is no virtual memory, not particularly to the underlying contention (though, as I pointed out, the phone *acts* like their is virtual memory, though that's not determinitive.)
    08-09-2007 10:12 AM
  14. surur's Avatar
    In any event, yes, the trivial test is for someone with the toolchain to malloc > 128MB.
    Well, you have an iPhone. You have programming experience. You could do it. I will even agree to believe your results, until I see evidence otherwise.

    BTW, would you not find a swap file while browsing the file system?

    Surur
    08-09-2007 10:20 AM
  15. cmaier's Avatar
    I think you are misinterpreting the definition. You are saying that unless a new capability exceeds some level of "coolness" it is not a feature. If you check other dictionaries (for example, m-w.com, oed, cambridge) the primary definition refers to the "structure or form" of something. (In one case they say "a part of" something. In another they say "a typical quality" of something. In a third "part of someone's face that you notice. Even in dictionary.com (which is where answers.com presumably got the answer), "prominence" refers to the fact that if no one could see or experience the new "thing," or no one knew about it, it wouldn't be a feature.

    When I initially refered to features, I refered to the things you can do with the phone. Specifications. That's it. I think everyone understood that.

    Feature does have a second meaning, which is what you are referring to, but that meaning is not the meaning people generally are talking about when they refer to hardware or software (rather, that meaning is usually reserved to NBC commercials: "This week, in a very special ER featuring Sally Fields...").

    Frankly, if they change the software and add new "stuff," what would you prefer me to call it if not a "feature?"

    From answers.com



    I guess imo (which is what I've been saying all along) it's not prominent enough, and the new button you press is simply software implementation - the same as every hack and web app out there, just that it's officially from Apple. In my opinion it might be a feature but not a prominent one, more like a new function



    If you consider that a new feature then OS have new features all the time w/o changing versions, to me its an enhancement of a feature there already and a limited one at that as you need something else for to to work...plenty updates have more than bug fixes for OS X etc but ppl don't term them as new features. Might just be how we use the language everyday but I never hear ppl say things like "OS X Jaguar has a new feature" after loading an update unless it's something distinct like iTunes can now play movies rather than just music.
    08-09-2007 10:26 AM
  16. cmaier's Avatar
    Well, you have an iPhone. You have programming experience. You could do it. I will even agree to believe your results, until I see evidence otherwise.

    BTW, would you not find a swap file while browsing the file system?

    Surur
    I don't have a mac, and thus have no toolchain or ability to do it. (Though I'm strongly considering it to get in on the hacking fun. I don't need 3rd party software if I'm permitted to create my own).

    Yes, there should be a swapfile somewhere. Though it might be on an unaccessible volume or it might be hidden in some other way(Windows is a bit weird in that the swap file is so visible.)

    I haven't used BSD since 1996, so I really don't know what it does with the swapfile (I am assuming that iphone shares mac os's BSD roots).
    08-09-2007 10:33 AM
  17. surur's Avatar
    5 years ahead, or 15 behind?

    - - why is bejeweled on the iphone so bad compared to the palm?

    brinycbri 08-05-2007 05:38 PM

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    why is bejeweled on the iphone so bad compared to the palm?

    i love my iphone, but my palm played a version of bejeweled 3 years ago that looked, had sound, and had a lot of features..granted that the iphone's bejeweled is through safari, is it that slow and that bad? is this what we have to expect, web games and web apps that are 5 years behind the times?

    Me1000 08-05-2007 06:15 PM

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    Originally Posted by brinycbri (Post 4004428)
    i love my iphone, but my palm played a version of bejeweled 3 years ago that looked, had sound, and had a lot of features..granted that the iphone's bejeweled is through safari, is it that slow and that bad? is this what we have to expect, web games and web apps that are 5 years behind the times?
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    Technically they are about 15 years (give or take)

    The desktop application has been out a lot longer than the web!
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=337729

    Surur
    08-09-2007 11:04 AM
  18. mikec#IM's Avatar
    It may be inconsistent build quality. You get a good one, an acceptable one, or a bad one. I had that problem with Nanos, which is why I gave up on that line. I haven't really seen this problem on the hard drive iPod although other people report it.

    For the iPhone, they should have fixed that problem better. But Treos also have inconsistent build quality judging by posts on the entire forum, to be fair.
    I also depends on the angle of inpact. Same height, same surface, different angle - one will be fine, one will be toast.
    08-09-2007 11:24 AM
  19. surur's Avatar
    Finally - The solution to Safari crashes...

    - - safari crashes: I found the solution

    seb481 08-09-2007 02:31 PM

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    safari crashes: I found the solution

    Safari kept crashing on me yesterday, which made me freaking angry. I really didn't know what to do until I remembered this good ol' iPhone is a computer.

    So I just rebooted the thing. I held the sleep button for a few seconds, iPhone turned off, and I turned on the phone again.

    I then opened safari and tried to crash it again by opening multiple windows but it didn't crash.

    I hope this will help some of you.
    http://www.everythingiphone.com/foru...tion-8359.html

    Surur
    08-09-2007 11:25 AM
  20. mikec#IM's Avatar
    This is hilarious and sad at the same time. Only iFans would make a video about copy and paste, and only Apple would be brazen enough to sell a device "5 years ahead of everyone else" without it.



    This comment really brings it home though.



    Yes, the iPhone is great for laughs after all.

    Surur
    The best part of the video:

    "I love you"
    08-09-2007 11:28 AM
  21. surur's Avatar
    Here's a short one.

    - Can I save photos from email to the iPhone?

    jmfbnb 08-09-2007 01:37 AM

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    Can I save photos from email to the iPhone?

    If I get a photo emailed to me can I save it to the Photo Album? If so how do I do this? Thanks for the help.

    unity 08-09-2007 08:29 AM

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    Nope
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=339439

    Surur
    08-09-2007 11:29 AM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Quiet day...I guess there's not much going down...except the stock market.
    08-09-2007 10:07 PM
  23. oalvarez's Avatar
    exactly. well said.
    08-09-2007 11:38 PM
  24. marcol's Avatar
    Quiet day...I guess there's not much going down...except the stock market.
    OT. PALM actually did rather well. I wonder if there's an effect of the Foleo beginning to be perceived a little more favourably?
    08-10-2007 05:20 AM
  25. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Yea, that's it...the Foleo is going to be Palm's "iPhone" and save the day.

    Somehow, I think that TOA (Turd On Arrival) will not be what saves Palm.
    08-10-2007 09:22 AM
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