1. marcol's Avatar
    Rather a selective quote, tirk
    Actually, I disagree. I said they liked the interface, which was the only strongly positive thing in the summary that you posted in toto. What I posted was representative of the article, which said to me "pretty device, lovely UI, not without faults, will be perfect for many people, but it's not a smartphone, and it's been horribly oversold by Apple".
    Do you not understand the word 'quote'?
    07-02-2007 02:10 PM
  2. glenada's Avatar
    I caved in yesterday and bought an 8gb iPhone. It has a 14-day return policy, doesn't it? If you're that pissed off regarding the phone, take it back!
    07-02-2007 02:25 PM
  3. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I caved in yesterday and bought an 8gb iPhone. It has a 14-day return policy, doesn't it? If you're that pissed off regarding the phone, take it back!
    Review, glenda, review! More opinions is better, so let's hear it.
    07-02-2007 02:28 PM
  4. mikec#IM's Avatar
    It appears Archie has left TC. He left on 6/29, at 5PM, presumably to get his iPhone and enjoy it accordingly.

    We hardly knew ya.
    07-02-2007 02:49 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    Today's Dilemma: Should I return my iPhone back to Apple?

    pelicanparts

    Okay, here's the story. By all measures, the new Apple iPhone is a revolutionary device, and does almost everything promised by all of the hype. However, it is missing a telephone feature that I consider to be *so* critical, I do not think I can have and use a phone that does not have it.

    What is this magical feature you ask? It's a simple BEEP reminder that the phone emits every five minutes or so when you have a voicemail message, or a text message.

    Why is this feature so critical? Well, first of all, I don't want to have to physically check my phone everytime I leave it on my desk and then head to the bathroom. If someone calls while I'm out taking care of business, then it will beep and remind me when I get back that I have a voicemail message. Likewise, if the webserver goes down, it sends a text-message email to my phone instantly alerting me to the problem. If I just happen to be away from my phone (like in my house, where my phone is in my office), then it will continue to beep every five minutes until I pick it up and read the message (or clear the new message alert).

    The new iPhone surprisingly does not have this feature. My old Motorola i90 did, and so does my (now formerly current) Motorola Razr. The problem is that if the webserver goes down, or there is a problem, there is no reminder to tell me that I have a message. If someone is desperately trying to get in touch with me, and they leave an important voicemail, then I won't know about it until I physically pick up the phone. The phone won't remind me from across the room - I would have to actually look at it.

    Likewise, if I'm working late, and then the next morning I'm sleeping in, and people call me with problems with the computers, often I don't hear the first ringer, but I do often eventually hear the reminder beep. It would appear that the iPhone has no such capability which is sad, as that is a necessary, and required function for me in a cell phone.

    So, it looks like I may be returning this to the store, as this sortof makes the phone almost a liability in terms of not being able to alert me to important calls and messages.

    Any thoughts or suggestions?

    -Wayne

    mhill0425

    i hear the beep often as well if i'm sleeping, but at the same time its not a HUGE deal, just have to check the phone every once anda while(for the work situation, but in that case i carry my phone on me at all times when i'm at work) and there is always the possiblity of them perhaps updating the firmware because that sounds like it would just be a little firmware patch no hardware needed

    pelicanparts

    Yes, you would think that it would be a very simple coding excercise. However, Mr. Jobs and his team didn't think this necessary. My wife uses that all the time sometimes to find her phone.

    The iPhone went back to Apple today as the first one returned to the Manhattan Beach store. They were kind enough to *not* charge me a restocking fee. I think the fact that I returned it within one day was a factor in that...

    -Wayne
    thehotch

    pelican - don't return the phone just yet. Post the issue at apple.com (support tab, then discussions, etc. - just like this one) I'd bet that between this forum and Apple SOMEONE will come up with a solution. There's got to be one because it's too simple of an issue to defeat your American Right to own and enjoy this gadget. I'm thinking of a kind of substitution beep to re-train your brain...
    pelicanparts

    Too late, it's back at the store. I agree with you that this is a very easy fix, but it doesn't look like it would be fixed until the next release, and who knows when that is going to be. They didn't charge me a restocking fee, if this feature comes out again, then I will buy another one, no questions asked. It's a great product, but I can't risk not seeing a message from my webserver that says "SERVER DOWN".

    -Wayne

    iknowaboutit

    not that serious

    rkkeller

    None of the BlackBerrys have that either. I think its kind of a
    petty complaint.
    http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/b...thread.id=2101

    Apple and usability - they should meet. :evil:

    Surur
    07-02-2007 03:04 PM
  6. llarson's Avatar
    http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/b...thread.id=2101

    Apple and usability - they should meet. :evil:

    Surur
    http://www.obharath.net/blog/2007/06...indows-mobile/

    Why I hate my Windows Mobile

    With all the hype surrounding iPhone and after reading Apples get ready for iPhone page, I thought I will write how disappointed I am with my Windows Mobile phone (i-mate JASJAM running WM5) and Microsoft.

    I am using Vista and the program to sync my Vista laptop with my mobile is Windows Mobile Device Center. According to Microsoft,

    Windows Mobile Device Center helps you to quickly set up new partnerships, synchronize business-critical information such as e-mail, contacts and calendar appointments, easily manage your synchronization settings, and transfer business documents between your device and PC. #

    WMDC

    Lets see how it syncs.

    1. Contacts: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your Windows Contacts.
    2. Calendar: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your Windows Calendar.
    3. E-mail: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your E-mail from Windows Mail.

    Ok wait, if I install Outlook, I can sync these simple things from my PC to my mobile. But Outlook is not a free program and I dont care how much it costs. The most expensive Vista already comes with

    1. Windows Contacts.
    2. Windows Calendar.
    3. Windows Mail (Replaced with Windows Live Mail).

    Why these features exists in Windows Vista, if I cant sync those to my Windows Mobile. Ofcourse I can do these things directly on any phone not just Windows mobile phone. But check how some of these simple things can be done on iPhone using iTunes both on Mac and PC. And did I say iTunes is FREE. Lets see

    iPhone syncs with the address book you already use on your computer ? Address Book or Entourage on a Mac, or Outlook or Outlook Express on a PC.#

    iTunes already syncs iPod Contacts with Windows Contacts and I guess it will be same for iPhone.

    iPhone uses iTunes to sync with the calendar application you already use on your computer ? iCal or Entourage on the Mac, or Outlook on a PC ? just like it does with your contacts.#

    iTunes wont sync iPod calendar with Windows Calendar currently but I wont be surprised if they allow iPhone to sync with Windows Calendar.

    iTunes will make email setup on iPhone a breeze by automatically syncing the settings from email accounts stored in Mail on a Mac or Outlook on a PC.#

    I am not sure if iTunes supports automatically syncing the settings from email accounts stored in Windows Mail. But I hope Apple will support those Vista features and beat Microsoft to it when iPhone and new iTunes are released on June 29th.

    These are just some of the basic things any smartphone users want to sync with their computer and clearly Microsoft fails with their Windows Mobile. Here is a response from someone in Microsoft to a user who asked how to Sync Vista Windows Contacts to PPC in Windows Mobile newsgroups.

    Currently, WMDC does not support sycning of Windows Mail and Windows Contacts. It is something that the feature team is considering for future releases. Currently, WMDC only supports syncing of data with Outlook.

    Shame on you Microsoft and Windows Mobile team.


    Microsoft and Windows Mobile we work if you PAY more for MORE Microsoft software.

    I guess this article shows that WM doesn't work out of the box UNLESS you shell out $$$$ for mor MS software.

    What a lousy gimick WM is right Surur.

    FLAME ON !!!!!!!!!
    07-02-2007 03:18 PM
  7. surur's Avatar
    His complaint is strange, as near every WM device ships with some for of outlook. A few dont recently, but the vast majority do. Maybe he's just stupid.

    Surur
    07-02-2007 03:22 PM
  8. sxtg's Avatar
    http://www.obharath.net/blog/2007/06...indows-mobile/

    Why I hate my Windows Mobile

    With all the hype surrounding iPhone and after reading Apples get ready for iPhone page, I thought I will write how disappointed I am with my Windows Mobile phone (i-mate JASJAM running WM5) and Microsoft.

    I am using Vista and the program to sync my Vista laptop with my mobile is Windows Mobile Device Center. According to Microsoft,

    Windows Mobile Device Center helps you to quickly set up new partnerships, synchronize business-critical information such as e-mail, contacts and calendar appointments, easily manage your synchronization settings, and transfer business documents between your device and PC. #

    WMDC

    Lets see how it syncs.

    1. Contacts: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your Windows Contacts.
    2. Calendar: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your Windows Calendar.
    3. E-mail: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your E-mail from Windows Mail.

    Ok wait, if I install Outlook, I can sync these simple things from my PC to my mobile. But Outlook is not a free program and I dont care how much it costs. The most expensive Vista already comes with

    1. Windows Contacts.
    2. Windows Calendar.
    3. Windows Mail (Replaced with Windows Live Mail).

    Why these features exists in Windows Vista, if I cant sync those to my Windows Mobile. Ofcourse I can do these things directly on any phone not just Windows mobile phone. But check how some of these simple things can be done on iPhone using iTunes both on Mac and PC. And did I say iTunes is FREE. Lets see

    iPhone syncs with the address book you already use on your computer ? Address Book or Entourage on a Mac, or Outlook or Outlook Express on a PC.#

    iTunes already syncs iPod Contacts with Windows Contacts and I guess it will be same for iPhone.

    iPhone uses iTunes to sync with the calendar application you already use on your computer ? iCal or Entourage on the Mac, or Outlook on a PC ? just like it does with your contacts.#

    iTunes wont sync iPod calendar with Windows Calendar currently but I wont be surprised if they allow iPhone to sync with Windows Calendar.

    iTunes will make email setup on iPhone a breeze by automatically syncing the settings from email accounts stored in Mail on a Mac or Outlook on a PC.#

    I am not sure if iTunes supports automatically syncing the settings from email accounts stored in Windows Mail. But I hope Apple will support those Vista features and beat Microsoft to it when iPhone and new iTunes are released on June 29th.

    These are just some of the basic things any smartphone users want to sync with their computer and clearly Microsoft fails with their Windows Mobile. Here is a response from someone in Microsoft to a user who asked how to Sync Vista Windows Contacts to PPC in Windows Mobile newsgroups.

    Currently, WMDC does not support sycning of Windows Mail and Windows Contacts. It is something that the feature team is considering for future releases. Currently, WMDC only supports syncing of data with Outlook.

    Shame on you Microsoft and Windows Mobile team.


    Microsoft and Windows Mobile we work if you PAY more for MORE Microsoft software.

    I guess this article shows that WM doesn't work out of the box UNLESS you shell out $$$$ for mor MS software.

    What a lousy gimick WM is right Surur.

    FLAME ON !!!!!!!!!
    WM wont let me sync these things! Iphone doesn't either, but I hope it will soon??? WTF?
    07-02-2007 03:26 PM
  9. llarson's Avatar
    His complaint is strange, as near every WM device ships with some for of outlook. A few dont recently, but the vast majority do. Maybe he's just stupid.

    Surur
    To read your post only stupid people out there are the ones who buy iPHONES.

    Again your logic here is fallacious, Appeal to ridicule.

    This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because mocking a claim does not show that it is false. This is especially clear in the following example: "1+1=2! That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard are you stupid!"
    07-02-2007 03:27 PM
  10. Malatesta's Avatar

    I guess this article shows that WM doesn't work out of the box UNLESS you shell out $$$$ for mor MS software.

    What a lousy gimick WM is right Surur.

    FLAME ON !!!!!!!!!
    Or...

    You could just use Mail2web or 4smartphone --> Hosted Exchange, which gives you calendar, email, contacts and tasks all for free?

    And being OWA, you can access it from any computer, anytime, anywhere. This is what I use.

    You could also use Outlook 2003 which does come free with most WM5 devices, Sprint did this with the 6700 and 700wx (2007 seems to a pay program).

    There is also GooSync which works with Google Calendar (free).

    If you prefer Outlook Express (free with Windows) you could use the addon SyncExpress, which works very well (though it's $17.95).

    Really though, when paying $600 + Tax for an iPhone, does anything really matter when it comes to price and savings?

    Are you really making an argument for cost here? What does it matter if I'm still paying at least $200 less than an iPhone. A Moto Q is $75 with contract.
    07-02-2007 03:33 PM
  11. surur's Avatar
    To read your post only stupid people out there are the ones who buy iPHONES.

    Again your logic here is fallacious, Appeal to ridicule.

    This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because mocking a claim does not show that it is false. This is especially clear in the following example: "1+1=2! That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard are you stupid!"
    Your argument is stupid.

    His complaint is strange, as near every WM device ships with some form of outlook.

    Why is he complaining again?

    Surur
    07-02-2007 03:36 PM
  12. mikec#IM's Avatar
    http://www.obharath.net/blog/2007/06...indows-mobile/

    Why I hate my Windows Mobile

    With all the hype surrounding iPhone and after reading Apple’s get ready for iPhone page, I thought I will write how disappointed I am with my Windows Mobile phone (i-mate JASJAM running WM5) and Microsoft.

    I am using Vista and the program to sync my Vista laptop with my mobile is Windows Mobile Device Center. According to Microsoft,

    Windows Mobile Device Center helps you to quickly set up new partnerships, synchronize business-critical information such as e-mail, contacts and calendar appointments, easily manage your synchronization settings, and transfer business documents between your device and PC. #

    WMDC

    Lets see how it syncs.

    1. Contacts: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your Windows Contacts.
    2. Calendar: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your Windows Calendar.
    3. E-mail: Without Outlook installed on your PC you cant sync your E-mail from Windows Mail.

    Ok wait, if I install Outlook, I can sync these simple things from my PC to my mobile. But Outlook is not a free program and I don’t care how much it costs. The most expensive Vista already comes with

    1. Windows Contacts.
    2. Windows Calendar.
    3. Windows Mail (Replaced with Windows Live Mail).

    Why these features exists in Windows Vista, if I cant sync those to my Windows Mobile. Ofcourse I can do these things directly on any phone not just Windows mobile phone. But check how some of these simple things can be done on iPhone using iTunes both on Mac and PC. And did I say iTunes is FREE. Lets see

    iPhone syncs with the address book you already use on your computer ? Address Book or Entourage on a Mac, or Outlook or Outlook Express on a PC.#

    iTunes already syncs iPod Contacts with Windows Contacts and I guess it will be same for iPhone.

    iPhone uses iTunes to sync with the calendar application you already use on your computer ? iCal or Entourage on the Mac, or Outlook on a PC ? just like it does with your contacts.#

    iTunes won’t sync iPod calendar with Windows Calendar currently but I wont be surprised if they allow iPhone to sync with Windows Calendar.

    iTunes will make email setup on iPhone a breeze by automatically syncing the settings from email accounts stored in Mail on a Mac or Outlook on a PC.#

    I am not sure if iTunes supports automatically syncing the settings from email accounts stored in Windows Mail. But I hope Apple will support those Vista features and beat Microsoft to it when iPhone and new iTunes are released on June 29th.

    These are just some of the basic things any smartphone users want to sync with their computer and clearly Microsoft fails with their Windows Mobile. Here is a response from someone in Microsoft to a user who asked how to Sync Vista Windows Contacts to PPC in Windows Mobile newsgroups.

    Currently, WMDC does not support sycning of Windows Mail and Windows Contacts. It is something that the feature team is considering for future releases. Currently, WMDC only supports syncing of data with Outlook.

    Shame on you Microsoft and Windows Mobile team.


    Microsoft and Windows Mobile we work if you PAY more for MORE Microsoft software.

    I guess this article shows that WM doesn't work out of the box UNLESS you shell out $$$$ for mor MS software.

    What a lousy gimick WM is right Surur.

    FLAME ON !!!!!!!!!

    WMDC is actually pretty darn good! I'm glad to see they finally fixed a lot of issues that existed before.

    As for the the Outlook issue, you get that either free with some phones and many laptops. Maybe not the newest version, but it will work.

    Windows Contacts and Calendar are not currently supported (does anyone read the specs before they jump into something?)

    I the whole thing read like someone who hasn't used Windows/Office in a while.(and doesn't read, just assumes)

    And he lives in Aussi-land and is an Apple Fanboy.

    Shame on him for given the Austrailians a bad name ;-), but kudos to him for holding up the tardanic fanboy reasoning.
    07-02-2007 03:54 PM
  13. llarson's Avatar
    Your argument is stupid.

    His complaint is strange, as near every WM device ships with some form of outlook.

    Why is he complaining again?

    Surur
    Ad Hominem Abusive, Your argument is stupid...is that your answer?

    My how the mighty have fallen.
    07-02-2007 03:55 PM
  14. sxtg's Avatar
    I reread the post and I still don't get it. The complainer says that WM wont sync PIM with his Vista and then counters by saying that the iPhone doesn't either yet seems to praise the iPhone because he "bets" they will soon.

    This mentality that "the iPhone WILL be, so it IS" is a strange phenomenon to say the least...
    07-02-2007 03:57 PM
  15. surur's Avatar
    Ad Hominem Abusive, Your argument is stupid...is that your answer?

    My how the mighty have fallen.
    I didn't say you are stupid, I said your argument is stupid. A little bit of Latin obviously does not go a long way.

    Surur
    07-02-2007 04:00 PM
  16. llarson's Avatar
    iPHONE has many faults, it has many good things too.

    WM has faults, it does many, many good things too.

    If all you can post are posts on how much some thing sucks from people you don't know who might have never used a phone that has functions beyond speed dial whats the point.

    We get it Surur you HATE HATE HATE iPHONE and you think it is a media hype and has no real new or useful, redeeming features. WE GET IT!!

    Posting things from the web about complaints people have becuase they can't figure out how to work the phone really don't help anyone here do they.

    I liked your earlier critiques much better.

    I hope we will see a return to them soon.
    07-02-2007 04:01 PM
  17. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Ad Hominem Abusive, Your argument is stupid...is that your answer?

    My how the mighty have fallen.
    So the main point is that a WM5 device should sync with Vista Contacts and Calendar, even though it is not supported? And that ActiveSync was primarily made for enterprises?

    Okay, so, WMDC does not support those two apps, which by the way, is likely not used by very many people who have WM devices (less than a tenth of a percent, of that much).

    As opposed to the iPhone not supporting COPY AND PASTE, which is used by 95% of the population.

    Which is more egregious?

    Yeah, I thought so...
    07-02-2007 04:02 PM
  18. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I reread the post and I still don't get it. The complainer says that WM wont sync PIM with his Vista and then counters by saying that the iPhone doesn't either yet seems to praise the iPhone because he "bets" they will soon.

    This mentality that "the iPhone WILL be, so it IS" is a strange phenomenon to say the least...
    Look at the "about" part of the blog...he's an Apple fanboy.
    07-02-2007 04:03 PM
  19. llarson's Avatar
    So the main point is that a WM5 device should sync with Vista Contacts and Calendar, even though it is not supported? And that ActiveSync was primarily made for enterprises?

    Okay, so, WMDC does not support those two apps, which by the way, is likely not used by very many people who have WM devices (less than a tenth of a percent, of that much).

    As opposed to the iPhone not supporting COPY AND PASTE, which is used by 95% of the population.

    Which is more egregious?

    Yeah, I thought so...
    See my previous post.
    07-02-2007 04:04 PM
  20. mikec#IM's Avatar
    iPHONE has many faults, it has many good things too. (AGREED)

    WM has faults, it does many, many good things too. (AGREED)

    If all you can post are posts on how much some thing sucks from people you don't know who might have never used a phone that has functions beyond speed dial whats the point.

    We get it Surur you HATE HATE HATE iPHONE and you think it is a media hype and has no real new or useful, redeeming features. WE GET IT!!

    Posting things from the web about complaints people have becuase they can't figure out how to work the phone really don't help anyone here do they. (SOMEONE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THE EASIEST TO USE PHONE IN HISTORY? SOUNDS LIKE APPLE HERESEY TO ME! ;-) )

    I liked your earlier critiques much better.

    I hope we will see a return to them soon.
    Comment inline above in CAPS (I know, annoying)
    07-02-2007 04:06 PM
  21. mikec#IM's Avatar
    See my previous post.
    Sorry, you (and I) have a lot of "previous posts".

    But if you are referring to both platforms having good and bad points, I hear ya.
    07-02-2007 04:07 PM
  22. surur's Avatar
    Re: Bluetooth on iPhone Options
    NaomiinNYC

    I am trying to listen to the ipod on my bluetooth headset. I have the motorola stereo active headphones s9 and i got it to connect to make phone calls, but cannot listen to music on it. Any ideas???

    Also, do you know if the iphone has the voice activated dialing thru bluetooth feature? I had it on my HTC phone. just wondering...

    Thanks to all!!!

    JustAFreq

    That would be due to something that helps comprise the small handful of imperfections about the iPhone. Specifically, this would be due to iPhones lack of support for the Bluetooth Stereo profile. What does this mean? It means that although your mono BT headsets will work fine, and your BT stereo headsets will work fine (as long as it is just mono being played through them), you won't be able to listen to any of your iTunes stereo content on BT stereo headphones. You CAN listen to it just fine using a corded stereo headset though. Perhaps this will be remedied in a future iPhone update of some sort.... hope this helps. (By the way, all this info is based strictly on what I have read from a myriad of sources - I am still waiting for my iPhone via direct fulfillment).

    JustAFreq

    gobraves
    NaomiinNYC wrote:

    Also, do you know if the iphone has the voice activated dialing thru bluetooth feature? I had it on my HTC phone. just wondering...

    Thanks to all!!!
    No.
    http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/b...&thread.id=728

    Wow! So normal people also use stereo bluetooth headsets!?! Who would have thought.

    Surur
    07-02-2007 04:17 PM
  23. llarson's Avatar
    WARNING....WARNING....This post is a cheap shot at WM users. Do not read unless you have a sense of humor.

    This seems to sum up WM fans...

    Well, I'm going to be busy hacking the WEP at my local gym, watching my Tivo streaming via LocationFree, viewing Word Docs and Excel Spreadsheets, Using half a dozen chat protocols plus Skype, tethering my Laptop, assisting my Mom through remote Desktop, playing dozens of card games, scores of board games, and hundreds of java games, playing emulators of classic game consoles, using Pocketmusic to DJ via bluetooth for my Friends....

    ....Tech Geek.

    iPHONE Fan...


    Well, I'm going to be busy working out at my local gym, watching Die Hard on my iPHONE, viewing Word Docs and Excel Spreadsheets, chatting to half a dozen woman at the gym and in between women download the latest episode of "House" from my Desktop through my VPN connection, no time to play dozens of card games, scores of board games, and hundreds of java games, playing emulators of classic game consoles, as I have a life that iPHONE helps make a little easier.

    All in good fun my WM friends. :evil:
    07-02-2007 04:20 PM
  24. llarson's Avatar
    http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/b...&thread.id=728

    Wow! So normal people also use stereo bluetooth headsets!?! Who would have thought.

    Surur
    I weep for the future of Windows Mobile...
    07-02-2007 04:21 PM
  25. surur's Avatar
    Or maybe iPhone users are sitting there deleting one e-mail at a time?



    How to delete multiple messages at once, or "empty" the trash?

    Ricambi America

    How do you delete multiple messages at once or empty the trash can in one shot? Do I need to manually swipe each message? That doesn't seem quite right....

    Ideas?

    bht-kevin

    iphone doesnt come with such robust features I can't wait for a software update to fix these problems because this phone is awesome.

    Ricambi America

    What? I thought I was just missing something. You mean I need to manually delete all these messages? Uggggg.
    http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/b...thread.id=2813

    Surur
    07-02-2007 04:24 PM
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