1. archie's Avatar
    I compiled and combined a list of features that serve to make the iPhone a revolutionary product.

    Please note "revolutionary" denotes an iPhone "only" feature as well.



    Only phone that's completely Mac friendly. In todays market, this probably should be considered revolutionary (only feature to be read with a snide remark).

    First and only phone to provide a revolutionary multi-touch interface
    1. Two-finger stretching gesture
    2. Two-finger tap-to-zoom out gesture
    3. Two-finger pinching gesture
    4. One-finger double-tap-to-zoom in gesture
    5. One-finger scrolling gesture
    6. One-finger flicking gesture
    7. One-finger swiping/sweeping (depends on the context) gesture

    Revolutionary fingertip editing lets you touch and hold the screen to get a zoomed in area of text for precise cursor placement with your finger.

    Revolutionary keyboard - I know a little bit about what they are doing to make this unique keyboard a success. Every little space on that screen is tracking and measuring and relating to every other little space. There is a great deal of processing power required JUST for the simple act of typing. And reading how your finger hits the screen and what part of your finger hits first and the total amount of space that it hits — all in an effort to account for inaccuracies. There is a lot of research that has been done here. They even take into account a person's inability to accurately predict what part of their finger actually hits the screen. It seems that we fail to take into account the curve of our finger and how it actually hits the screen based on the overhead view we have in watching the screen as we type. Then of course there is the software based auto-correcting type of feature that analyzes which keys you MIGHT have meant to hit and figures out the word you wanted. And then of course word prediction. To this end, word prediction itself is also used in conjunction with a process of dynamically enlarging tap zones behind the scenes for virtually larger keys.

    Revolutionary visual and user interface cues serve most appropriately.

    Only phone to have a revolutionary one-button design - that lone button on the bottom of the phone will take you back to the home screen, provide quick accessibility to the iPhone's list of applications, provide a quick escape from the depths of any application or settings screen and act as a clean up/clean start tool - all with one quick press.

    Only phone to employ context sensitive scroll bars that only appear when needed. No valuable screen real-estate is taken away and it is cleanly implemented.

    Only phone to have a large 3.5 inch screen which utilizes every pixel for the camera view screen.

    In a revolutionary move, Apple incorporates a high resolution, 160 pixel per inch screen that provides the most readable text (fonts) of any handheld device ever made. To explain, Apple uses a sub-pixel display technology algorithm that preserves the design of the typeface. Other OSes force the letter shapes into pixel boundaries to prevent blur and improve readability, but at high resolutions like 160 pixels per inch, this methodology suffers; and as a result, the true typeface character is lost. This results in two strikes against the other's methodology, which is designed for the lower resolution screens. Thank you resolution independence.

    Thinnest "smartphone" available anywhere (and no big protrusions).

    Only phone manufacturer to write and support the revolutionary software for provisioning AND revocation. In fact, they have their own provisioning servers. The benefits are many but it quite obviously saves time and allows the consumer to activate without hassle from Sales people.

    Apple provides the quickest method available to accomplish phone number transfers. Only server software to accomplish phone number transfers in 3 minutes rather than 3 days. This too can be accomplished in the privacy of your own home.

    Only phone to employ Oracle's open standard, OMA and IETF based "Push-IMAP" email.

    Only phone (mobile device) made that gives access to streaming and scalable content from YouTube

    Only phone to support open source, standards-based CalDAV calendaring solution for workgroups.

    Subscription accounting for a phone to account for upgrades and additions over the course of 2 years. A promise and dedication.

    First phone to not be subsidized through carrier. No rebate crap or distracting hand waving to save money in voice and data plans. No game or hoops to jump through. Just straight business.

    Only phone that doesn't have carrier logos plastered all over it.

    First company to actually sell a phone based on a subscription model and not a subsidy model. They don't leave the customer with an iPhone that grows progressively more obsolete over two years. Instead, they will release updates and applications that users can download to customize and enhance their phone. No fake promises like other phone manufacturers. They have no reason to upgrade the phone and the software because it is already sold, and they rarely do. When they do offer a firmware upgrade, it proves to be so difficult to perform that many never do it. And many never realize they can. Apple's unique approach assures its availability to all.

    Apple is the only company that has designed a mobile smartphone for service provider but catering to the customer rather than the provider.

    Only phone to provide seamless switching between EDGE and Wi-Fi. Continual surveying of wi-fi availability. Previously joined networks can be set up to quietly, seamless and automatically connected to.

    Only phone manufacturer ever to influence a carrier to expand time slots available to data services network.

    The stability and reliability and security that comes with OS X and LLVM.

    Incredible scrolling with rubber band effects – mirroring real physics effects — provide for easy recognition and virtual orientation (eh, its easy to follow and understand what is going on).

    Revolutionary web interface helps to provide THE BEST overall smartphone browsing experience.

    Easiest conference call management I have ever seen.

    Revolutionary conference call management provides the most flexibility of any smartphone available. Connect up to 6 people easily. Even set up sub-conferencing.

    Coolest implementation of Google Maps I have ever seen.

    Only phone available that has a context sensitive keyboard that pops up only when needed and adapts functionality based on situation; no need to request the keyboard. This is extremely useful and really well done.

    Only mobile phone to incorporate revolutionary concepts like "touching your music" and "Visual Voicemail" (random access). Greatly improves usability.

    Only phone to have voice mail scrubbing. Lets you scrub through the voice mail timeline to quickly get to where you want.

    Revolutionary method of having voice mail sent to you - like push e-mail. You can listen to and review your voice mail on a train or on a plane, without the need of carrier reception.

    Revolutionary "Coverflow" browsing of music and media. Plus, you can flick an album and it spins around to reveal the song list to choose from on the back... just like physical albums.

    Revolutionary, context sensitive, smoothly transforming control surfaces provide an intuitive user interface.

    Only phone to support such a wide variety of media formats out of the box: AAC, Protected AAC, MP3, VBR, Audible (formats 1, 2, and 3), Apple Lossless, AIFF, WAV, H.264 video, multiple levels of LC H.264 Baseline, MPEG-4 video and of course .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats.

    Only smartphone to have antenna located in the back part of the phone at the very bottom. Very considerate for those with radiation concerns. Never understood why manufacturers continue placing the antenna as close to your head as possible.

    Only phone to have entire screen faade flat so that it can be quickly and simply wiped clean with its unique edgeless, no-bezel design. This is to say nothing of the specially selected glass finish chosen to reduce finger prints.

    Only phone to have a glass screen encompassing the entire front surface for higher scratch resistance as well as improved optical clarity.

    Revolutionary battery technology will provide up to 6 hours of internet use, 7 hours of video playback, 8 hours of talk time, 24 hours of audio playback, 250 hours of standby time This is unbelievable performance.

    Revolutionary approach in attracting developers based on AJAX has proven to attract the largest developer crowd ever for a single device.

    Only smartphone to ever incorporate such a high number of great ideas and processes assembled into one device. It has proven to make the iPhone into what many critics, writers, analysts and consumers consider high-tech jewelry that holds an incredible allure.
    06-29-2007 11:32 AM
  2. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    :stick: :brick:

    :cheers: Have fun this afternoon. I guess this post means you're not already in line. Otherwise you'd have to be using a thumb keyboard for this massive of a post.
    06-29-2007 11:37 AM
  3. surur's Avatar
    I thought we debunked this list already. Whats up with Archie? Can we ask to have this deleted?

    Surur
    06-29-2007 11:41 AM
  4. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    I thought we debunked this list already. Whats up with Archie? Can we ask to have this deleted?

    Surur
    No, don't delete it; just think of him as Che Archie, the "revolutionary"...

    06-29-2007 11:44 AM
  5. archie's Avatar
    I thought we debunked this list already. Whats up with Archie? Can we ask to have this deleted?

    Surur
    Does it offend you? Are you disgruntled because you can't have an iPhone today? Are you upset that your HTC can't give you what the iPhone does? Are you mad that M$ name is not on the iPhone?

    Every point I listed is true. So eat it.
    06-29-2007 11:57 AM
  6. syphex#IM's Avatar
    Archie you are completely wrong in almost every statment you make. surur and I both will keep what we are already happy with and not go with the shinny new exterior with the same old funtionality. have fun blowing all your money on a sub par product

    haha I mean common ... people even posted pictures about some of your posts proving your wrong and you still post this crap.. man your one of the worst type of people that even proven wrong you still can't take it and just start yelling louder.

    ***People if you are new to the iphone posts ... steer clear of Archie's posts. Do the research on your own and don't take what Archie says to be fact, because it isn't and if you read the 5 reason not to get an iphone you will see how we debunked pretty much every thing Archie has posted*** Make your own decision.
    06-29-2007 12:00 PM
  7. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I compiled and combined a list of features that serve to make the iPhone a revolutionary product.

    Please note "revolutionary" denotes an iPhone "only" feature as well.



    Only phone that's completely Mac friendly. In todays market, this probably should be considered revolutionary (only feature to be read with a snide remark).

    First and only phone to provide a revolutionary multi-touch interface
    1. Two-finger stretching gesture
    2. Two-finger tap-to-zoom out gesture
    3. Two-finger pinching gesture
    4. One-finger double-tap-to-zoom in gesture
    5. One-finger scrolling gesture
    6. One-finger flicking gesture
    7. One-finger swiping/sweeping (depends on the context) gesture

    Revolutionary fingertip editing lets you touch and hold the screen to get a zoomed in area of text for precise cursor placement with your finger.

    Revolutionary keyboard - I know a little bit about what they are doing to make this unique keyboard a success. Every little space on that screen is tracking and measuring and relating to every other little space. There is a great deal of processing power required JUST for the simple act of typing. And reading how your finger hits the screen and what part of your finger hits first and the total amount of space that it hits — all in an effort to account for inaccuracies. There is a lot of research that has been done here. They even take into account a person's inability to accurately predict what part of their finger actually hits the screen. It seems that we fail to take into account the curve of our finger and how it actually hits the screen based on the overhead view we have in watching the screen as we type. Then of course there is the software based auto-correcting type of feature that analyzes which keys you MIGHT have meant to hit and figures out the word you wanted. And then of course word prediction. To this end, word prediction itself is also used in conjunction with a process of dynamically enlarging tap zones behind the scenes for virtually larger keys.

    Revolutionary visual and user interface cues serve most appropriately.

    Only phone to have a revolutionary one-button design - that lone button on the bottom of the phone will take you back to the home screen, provide quick accessibility to the iPhone's list of applications, provide a quick escape from the depths of any application or settings screen and act as a clean up/clean start tool - all with one quick press.

    Only phone to employ context sensitive scroll bars that only appear when needed. No valuable screen real-estate is taken away and it is cleanly implemented.

    Only phone to have a large 3.5 inch screen which utilizes every pixel for the camera view screen.

    In a revolutionary move, Apple incorporates a high resolution, 160 pixel per inch screen that provides the most readable text (fonts) of any handheld device ever made. To explain, Apple uses a sub-pixel display technology algorithm that preserves the design of the typeface. Other OSes force the letter shapes into pixel boundaries to prevent blur and improve readability, but at high resolutions like 160 pixels per inch, this methodology suffers; and as a result, the true typeface character is lost. This results in two strikes against the other's methodology, which is designed for the lower resolution screens. Thank you resolution independence.

    Thinnest "smartphone" available anywhere (and no big protrusions).

    Only phone manufacturer to write and support the revolutionary software for provisioning AND revocation. In fact, they have their own provisioning servers. The benefits are many but it quite obviously saves time and allows the consumer to activate without hassle from Sales people.

    Apple provides the quickest method available to accomplish phone number transfers. Only server software to accomplish phone number transfers in 3 minutes rather than 3 days. This too can be accomplished in the privacy of your own home.

    Only phone to support Oracle's open standard, OMA and IETF based "Push-IMAP" email.

    Only phone (mobile device) made that gives access to streaming and scalable content from YouTube

    Only phone to support open source, standards-based CalDAV calendaring solution for workgroups.

    Subscription accounting for a phone to account for upgrades and additions over the course of 2 years. A promise and dedication.

    First phone to not be subsidized through carrier. No rebate crap or distracting hand waving to save money in voice and data plans. No game or hoops to jump through. Just straight business.

    Only phone that doesn't have carrier logos plastered all over it.

    First company to actually sell a phone based on a subscription model and not a subsidy model. They don't leave the customer with an iPhone that grows progressively more obsolete over two years. Instead, they will release updates and applications that users can download to customize and enhance their phone. No fake promises like other phone manufacturers. They have no reason to upgrade the phone and the software because it is already sold, and they rarely do. When they do offer a firmware upgrade, it proves to be so difficult to perform that many never do it. And many never realize they can. Apple's unique approach assures its availability to all.

    Apple is the only company that has designed a mobile smartphone for the customer rather than the provider.

    Only phone to provide seamless switching between EDGE and Wi-Fi. Continual surveying of wi-fi availability. Previously joined networks can be set up to quietly, seamless and automatically connected to.

    Only phone manufacturer ever to influence a carrier to expand time slots available to data services network.

    The stability and reliability and security that comes with OS X and LLVM.

    Incredible scrolling with rubber band effects – mirroring real physics effects — provide for easy recognition and virtual orientation (eh, its easy to follow and understand what is going on).

    Revolutionary web interface helps to provide THE BEST overall smartphone browsing experience.

    Easiest conference call management I have ever seen.

    Revolutionary conference call management provides the most flexibility of any smartphone available. Connect up to 6 people easily. Even set up sub-conferencing.

    Coolest implementation of Google Maps I have ever seen.

    Only phone available that has a context sensitive keyboard that pops up only when needed and adapts functionality based on situation; no need to request the keyboard. This is extremely useful and really well done.

    Only mobile phone to incorporate revolutionary concepts like "touching your music" and "Visual Voicemail" (random access). Greatly improves usability.

    Only phone to have voice mail scrubbing. Lets you scrub through the voice mail timeline to quickly get to where you want.

    Revolutionary method of having voice mail sent to you - like push e-mail. You can listen to and review your voice mail on a train or on a plane, without the need of carrier reception.

    Revolutionary "Coverflow" browsing of music and media. Plus, you can flick an album and it spins around to reveal the song list to choose from on the back... just like physical albums.

    Revolutionary, context sensitive, smoothly transforming control surfaces provide an intuitive user interface.

    Only phone to support such a wide variety of media formats out of the box: AAC, Protected AAC, MP3, VBR, Audible (formats 1, 2, and 3), Apple Lossless, AIFF, WAV, H.264 video, multiple levels of LC H.264 Baseline, MPEG-4 video and of course .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats.

    Only smartphone to have antenna located in the back part of the phone at the very bottom. Very considerate for those with radiation concerns. Never understood why manufacturers continue placing the antenna as close to your head as possible.

    Only phone to have entire screen faade flat so that it can be quickly and simply wiped clean with its unique edgeless, no-bezel design. This is to say nothing of the specially selected glass finish chosen to reduce finger prints.

    Only phone to have a glass screen encompassing the entire front surface for higher scratch resistance as well as improved optical clarity.

    Revolutionary battery technology will provide up to 6 hours of internet use, 7 hours of video playback, 8 hours of talk time, 24 hours of audio playback, 250 hours of standby time This is unbelievable performance.

    Revolutionary approach in attracting developers based on AJAX has proven to attract the largest developer crowd ever for a single device.

    Only smartphone to ever incorporate such a high number of great ideas and processes assembled into one device. It has proven to make the iPhone into what many critics, writers, analysts and consumers consider high-tech jewelry that holds an incredible allure.
    Sorry to burst bubble.

    Tap to zoom-in/zoom-out, tap to scroll and gestures are not unique or new to iPhone.

    "One button" is a red herring. Anywhere you have to tap for a control, that's a button. One "hard" button, sure, but I see a lot of "soft" button in the iPhone (not to be confused with soft keys, which are a variant on hard buttons"

    As for best font, again, not true...not even the highest resolution.

    Please define "smartphone", because again, it's not the thinnest.

    Now it's Oracle's IMAP/POP? How about just plain old POP/IMAP, which is just fine.

    "A promise and dedication" - you mean like all the Apple porducts in the past that were abandoned. Does that extend to the battery, once it des after 366 days?

    "First phone to not be subsidized through carrier." Not true. Phone are sold every day without subsidies.

    "Only phone that doesn't have carrier logos plastered all over it." Again, not true.

    "First company to actually sell a phone based on a subscription model and not a subsidy model." Again, not true; see above.

    "Only phone to provide seamless switching between EDGE and Wi-Fi." Please define seamless, because I doubt it will do midstream.

    "Revolutionary web interface helps to provide THE BEST overall smartphone browsing experience." I think you mean "best wi-fi browsing experience on a PMP that has phone functionality"

    "Only phone to support such a wide variety of media formats out of the box", again not true.

    "Only smartphone to have antenna located in the back part of the phone at the very bottom". Again, define smartphone, and not true.

    Like I said before, repeated false statements do not make them true. Starting a new thread to repeat them does not make them true either.
    06-29-2007 12:02 PM
  8. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Does it offend you? Are you disgruntled because you can't have an iPhone today? Are you upset that your HTC can't give you what the iPhone does? Are you mad that M$ name is not on the iPhone?

    Every point I listed is true. So eat it.
    The list does not offend...but you do (with personal insults.)
    06-29-2007 12:03 PM
  9. LupeValenz's Avatar
    Hmmm, I was pretty sure that PicselBrowser had that one finger scrolling and flicking down before the iPhone o_O? Thus any Palm before the iPhone had that scrolling/flicking before iPhone.
    06-29-2007 12:09 PM
  10. Scott R's Avatar
    I thought you already did this yesterday with the other thread you started? Why did you need to start up a new thread? Come on.
    06-29-2007 12:15 PM
  11. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I thought you already did this yesterday with the other thread you started? Why did you need to start up a new thread? Come on.
    Tell the same lie over and over and people will think it's the trvth.
    06-29-2007 12:19 PM
  12. archie's Avatar
    My responses in red.

    Sorry to burst bubble.

    Tap to zoom-in/zoom-out, tap to scroll and gestures are not unique or new to iPhone.

    I was listing all of the gestures that are encompassed within multi-touch - which no other phone has.

    "One button" is a red herring. Anywhere you have to tap for a control, that's a button. One "hard" button, sure, but I see a lot of "soft" button in the iPhone (not to be confused with soft keys, which are a variant on hard buttons"

    A red herring to make things simple. Why can't you acknowledge it's functionality.


    As for best font, again, not true...not even the highest resolution.

    It is true. Have you seen the screen? Even if not, have you seen the screen captures?

    Please define "smartphone", because again, it's not the thinnest.

    Now it's Oracle's IMAP/POP? How about just plain old POP/IMAP, which is just fine.

    Either way

    "A promise and dedication" - you mean like all the Apple porducts in the past that were abandoned. Does that extend to the battery, once it des after 366 days?

    Not worth addressing

    "First phone to not be subsidized through carrier." Not true. Phone are sold every day without subsidies.

    I think you know what I 'm talking about.

    "Only phone that doesn't have carrier logos plastered all over it." Again, not true.

    In reference to being provisioned through a specific carrier. This is worthy expecially given all of the unique AT&T functionality tied to this one phone.

    "First company to actually sell a phone based on a subscription model and not a subsidy model." Again, not true; see above.

    Yes, it is true.

    "Only phone to provide seamless switching between EDGE and Wi-Fi." Please define seamless, because I doubt it will do midstream.

    If there is a wi-fi connection that is detected, it can be set to switch from EDGE to wi-fi without any need for approval. Done behind the scenes without any interuption.

    "Revolutionary web interface helps to provide THE BEST overall smartphone browsing experience." I think you mean "best wi-fi browsing experience on a PMP that has phone functionality"

    No, I mean best smartphone (or even anything that can run the new Opera beta) experience.

    "Only phone to support such a wide variety of media formats out of the box", again not true.

    Yes, it is true. Please provide examples, if you think I am misleading or "lying".

    "Only smartphone to have antenna located in the back part of the phone at the very bottom". Again, define smartphone,

    There is a Motorola phone that has the antenna positioned in this location but it is merely a phone and a music player and the design was unintentional (they wanted to give it a cool looking handle ) and never repeated.

    Like I said before, repeated false statements do not make them true. Starting a new thread to repeat them does not make them true either.
    06-29-2007 12:30 PM
  13. surur's Avatar
    I used to think Archie was just uninformed, but now its clear he actually lies.

    That's just sad.

    Surur
    06-29-2007 12:30 PM
  14. archie's Avatar
    Not lying on anything.

    I have like 6 or 7 more too, but now I have to go pick up my iPhone.
    06-29-2007 12:40 PM
  15. surur's Avatar
    Not lying on anything.




    Archie, lying makes Steve Jobs sad...

    Surur
    06-29-2007 12:58 PM
  16. mikec#IM's Avatar
    My responses in red.
    Let's see...:

    "I was listing all of the gestures that are encompassed within multi-touch - which no other phone has."

    SO you admit you misrepresented the point. Lie. Check.


    "A red herring to make things simple. Why can't you acknowledge it's functionality."

    So you don't know what red herring means. I never questioned the functionality. Going off topic and not admitting the lie. Check.



    "It is true. Have you seen the screen? Even if not, have you seen the screen captures?"

    Yes, I have seen (from demos and TV, not in person). Yes, sceen is nice, not one disputes that. But to say best/most readable font is not true if the resolution is not the highest. Lying again, Check.


    "Either way" - again, avoiding question and lie. Check.


    "Not worth addressing" - Apple thought it was worth addressing. And since you didn't, again, false. Check again.


    "I think you know what I 'm talking about."

    I don't read minds. If you can define, we can't discuss. Avoidance - Check.


    "In reference to being provisioned through a specific carrier. This is worthy expecially given all of the unique AT&T functionality tied to this one phone."

    Again, shifting your statement, and still not true. Logo =! network enabled functions. Bait and switch, check.


    "Yes, it is true."

    No, it's not. Double lie, check.


    "If there is a wi-fi connection that is detected, it can be set to switch from EDGE to wi-fi without any need for approval. Done behind the scenes without any interuption."

    Let's wait until we have one in hand. I believe you will be proved wrong. (as far as seamless; no user interaction.)


    "No, I mean best smartphone (or even anything that can run the new Opera beta) experience.

    Again, define smartphone. Avoidance of trvth, check.


    "Yes, it is true. Please provide examples, if you think I am misleading or "lying"."

    Ok, Palm OS, WM5/6, Symbian devices cover lots of formats - and including proprietary Apple formats does not count. Lying again, check.


    "There is a Motorola phone that has the antenna positioned in this location but it is merely a phone and a music player and the design was unintentional (they wanted to give it a cool looking handle ) and never repeated."

    Samsung did this already. Lying again, check.

    Thanks for playing....and here's a parting gift....you hat in your hand.

    Again, the iPhone has some nice functions...but it's not the jPhone (Jesus Phone) you make it out to be.
    06-29-2007 12:58 PM
  17. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Not lying on anything.

    I have like 6 or 7 more too, but now I have to go pick up my iPhone.
    How much you want to bet you don't get one today?

    That would be poetic.
    06-29-2007 12:59 PM
  18. samkim's Avatar
    How old is Archie?
    06-29-2007 01:01 PM
  19. mikec#IM's Avatar
    How old is Archie?
    Archie has claimed to have Apple stuff for at least 20 years, but I would doubt he's at Carousel age yet.
    06-29-2007 01:04 PM
  20. braj's Avatar
    I used to throw a jab at Archie once in a while myself, but it's pretty clear to me he has autism, Downs, or something. We should all try and be nicer to him, I don't think he can help himself.
    06-29-2007 01:55 PM
  21. CountBuggula's Avatar
    Don't forget YouTube, too. Any device can access YouTube Mobile, and even a Treo700p can access YouTube Flash with the upgraded Kinoma Player.

    Oh, and MikeC, nice to see someone else who's up on their logical fallacies. Archie sure isn't (or maybe he knows them all but thinks you're supposed to use them instead of ovoid them.
    06-29-2007 01:58 PM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Don't forget YouTube, too. Any device can access YouTube Mobile, and even a Treo700p can access YouTube Flash with the upgraded Kinoma Player.

    Oh, and MikeC, nice to see someone else who's up on their logical fallacies. Archie sure isn't (or maybe he knows them all but thinks you're supposed to use them instead of ovoid them.
    Count,

    Not sure what you were saying, but it sounds like a compliment. I must need more coffee.
    06-29-2007 02:10 PM
  23. llarson's Avatar
    I used to throw a jab at Archie once in a while myself, but it's pretty clear to me he has autism, Downs, or something. We should all try and be nicer to him, I don't think he can help himself.
    I took $h!t for my sarcasm lets hear it for this one people!

    My nephew suffer from Downs syndrome. :thumbsdn:
    06-29-2007 02:14 PM
  24. llarson's Avatar
    Don't forget YouTube, too. Any device can access YouTube Mobile, and even a Treo700p can access YouTube Flash with the upgraded Kinoma Player.

    Oh, and MikeC, nice to see someone else who's up on their logical fallacies. Archie sure isn't (or maybe he knows them all but thinks you're supposed to use them instead of ovoid them.
    Jump on in the waters fine.
    06-29-2007 02:16 PM
  25. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Don't forget YouTube, too...
    If only the whole world could forget Youtube..."what a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful world it would be..."
    06-29-2007 02:26 PM
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